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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Az* said:
Those who know him personally are convinced he will do absolutely anything to survive. It’s about survival for him now.

I’m not sure he’d start lobbing nukes at NY or London but how can you ever be sure? He’s killed thousands of his own people. The apartment bombing were him. If he can do that to his own then you can’t rule anything out.
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I’m not so concerned about him doing it to survive. I’m concerned about him realising he is never going to write the legacy he wanted for Russia and if his anger and frustration at that will be kept in check as he enters his twilight years.
 
UpTheDuff said:
No one can “know” but people can be very confident. Simply put, nuclear war is completely counter to all of Putin’s aims and objectives. He might be insane, but he doesn’t act counter to his own interests.
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The man is in his 70’s he cares about Russia, he seems to have the ideology of rebuilding the USSR, he’s already been quoted as saying a world without Russia doesn’t exist. He’s also threatened nukes.

If the same man is backed into a corner he can’t get out of, there’s absolutely 0 guarantee he won’t think fuck it, and go nuclear. In fact if anything, it’s probably about as likely he won’t that he will.

If NATO or the West gets involved, personally I think he’s very likely to go nuclear.
 
Orban helping out his mate.

The prime ministers of the Visegrad Four countries - Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia - will meet in London on Tuesday to discuss the war in Ukraine, the Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said on Monday in a Facebook video.

Orbán also reiterated that the government of Hungary has published a decree which makes it clear that no weapons shipments can go to Ukraine from Hungarian territory.
 
Dobblemackem said:
The man is in his 70’s he cares about Russia, he seems to have the ideology of rebuilding the USSR, he’s already been quoted as saying a world without Russia doesn’t exist. He’s also threatened nukes.

If the same man is backed into a corner he can’t get out of, there’s absolutely 0 guarantee he won’t think fuck it, and go nuclear. In fact if anything, it’s probably about as likely he won’t that he will.

If NATO or the West gets involved, personally I think he’s very likely to go nuclear.
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If he's daft enough to escalate this into a NATO country then we'll find out. If NATO doesn't put boots on the ground to defend a NATO country being attacked then it might as well disband immediately as it's lost it's whole reason for being.
 
Dobblemackem said:
The man is in his 70’s he cares about Russia, he seems to have the ideology of rebuilding the USSR, he’s already been quoted as saying a world without Russia doesn’t exist. He’s also threatened nukes.

If the same man is backed into a corner he can’t get out of, there’s absolutely 0 guarantee he won’t think fuck it, and go nuclear. In fact if anything, it’s probably about as likely he won’t that he will.

If NATO or the West gets involved, personally I think he’s very likely to go nuclear.
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I think it’s more ideology akin to pre soviet Russian Empire than the USSR. Owld Vlad doesn’t strike me as much of a commie.
 
Dobblemackem said:
The man is in his 70’s he cares about Russia, he seems to have the ideology of rebuilding the USSR, he’s already been quoted as saying a world without Russia doesn’t exist. He’s also threatened nukes.

If the same man is backed into a corner he can’t get out of, there’s absolutely 0 guarantee he won’t think fuck it, and go nuclear. In fact if anything, it’s probably about as likely he won’t that he will.

If NATO or the West gets involved, personally I think he’s very likely to go nuclear.
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We will agree to disagree. You make a good emotional/Hollywood case whilst my argument was more strategic/tactical. Who knows.
 
FC United of Manchester said:
If he's daft enough to escalate this into a NATO country then we'll find out. If NATO doesn't put boots on the ground to defend a NATO country being attacked then it might as well disband immediately as it's lost it's whole reason for being.
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It wouldn't hesitate to...no way would it tolerate Russian missiles or tanks crossing into Poland. Avoiding that going nuclear would still be the aim however.

It would be a greyer area if he went for Moldova or one of the other non-NATO countries however. Would we tolerate that? My guess is we would defend EU members but others would be treated like Ukraine.

But Sweden and a maybe Finland would probably cope on their own IMO.
 
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The Great Soprendo said:
It wouldn't hesitate to...no way would it tolerate Russian missiles or tanks crossing into Poland. Avoiding that going nuclear would still be the aim however. It would be a much greyer area if he went for Moldova however.
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If he moves into a NATO country then I've no doubt that NATO will put boots on the ground against them. The key question for NATO will be do they only defend the NATO country involved or do they go the full monty and take Russia.
 
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