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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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SAFC7391 said:
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He couldn’t be more right.

Western cowardice gave the green light to this invasion, and will ultimately lead to its success. It will then lead to the next of Putin’s projects, and so on and so forth.

Putin said last week that there would be grave consequences for anyone sending weapons which can be used to kill Russian soldiers. Still no sign of this supposedly terrible retribution.
 
Sweeper said:
He couldn’t be more right.

Western cowardice gave the green light to this invasion, and will ultimately lead to its success. It will then lead to the next of Putin’s projects, and so on and so forth.

Putin said last week that there would be grave consequences for anyone sending weapons which can be used to kill Russian soldiers. Still no sign of this supposedly terrible retribution.
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Sweeper said:
He couldn’t be more right.

Western cowardice gave the green light to this invasion, and will ultimately lead to its success. It will then lead to the next of Putin’s projects, and so on and so forth.

Putin said last week that there would be grave consequences for anyone sending weapons which can be used to kill Russian soldiers. Still no sign of this supposedly terrible retribution.
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I have to disagree strongly here.

If you invoke a no fly zone you then have two options. You either ignore any Russian jets going into the no fly zone and show weakness giving Putin further encouragement, or have to shoot them down and give Putin reason to attack other countries or commit even worse atrocities in Ukraine. Keeping a low profile and quietly providing Ukraine with arms and intelligence to grind out a slow victory is by far the lesser of two evils.
 
elder said:
Sure. I’m not saying they’re wrong for supporting Russia (although they are 😂). It is what it is…

I checked out the #IStandWithPutin & #IStandWithRussia hashtags the other day. The support Russia is getting from some countries is interesting, particularly in India
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History mate. Russia is.one of very few that stood with India over Bangladesh/East Pakistan. Britian/USA etc sided with Pakistan and they havnt forgotten. Plus the Indian armed forces are pretty much equipped with Russian gear.
 
Northern_chappy said:
I have to disagree strongly here.

If you invoke a no fly zone you then have two options. You either ignore any Russian jets going into the no fly zone and show weakness giving Putin further encouragement, or have to shoot them down and give Putin reason to attack other countries or commit even worse atrocities in Ukraine. Keeping a low profile and quietly providing Ukraine with arms and intelligence to grind out a slow victory is by far the lesser of two evils.
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Playing devils advocate here what if we don’t imply it and then he uses it to launch an attack on another country (it’s possible) a million reasons why this could escalate and nato not showing might is one of them.
 
elder said:
Sure. I’m not saying they’re wrong for supporting Russia (although they are 😂). It is what it is…

I checked out the #IStandWithPutin & #IStandWithRussia hashtags the other day. The support Russia is getting from some countries is interesting, particularly in India
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I wish every country on the planet would condemn what Russia are doing but we over here have no right at all to be critical of them after our support for similar things we’ve done.
 
look out piano said:
They might not be able to demonstrate for fear of getting hoyed out of windows but......
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Little old russian lady making her feelings known bless her ❤️🤗
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She’s displaying more bravery than most.
Northern_chappy said:
I have to disagree strongly here.

If you invoke a no fly zone you then have two options. You either ignore any Russian jets going into the no fly zone and show weakness giving Putin further encouragement, or have to shoot them down and give Putin reason to attack other countries or commit even worse atrocities in Ukraine. Keeping a low profile and quietly providing Ukraine with arms and intelligence to grind out a slow victory is by far the lesser of two evils.
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Agree with this. It’s important to remember it could quickly get worse for all parties if NATO become more aggressive.
 
Northern_chappy said:
I have to disagree strongly here.

If you invoke a no fly zone you then have two options. You either ignore any Russian jets going into the no fly zone and show weakness giving Putin further encouragement, or have to shoot them down and give Putin reason to attack other countries or commit even worse atrocities in Ukraine. Keeping a low profile and quietly providing Ukraine with arms and intelligence to grind out a slow victory is by far the lesser of two evils.
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Putin has suffered heavy losses in a week, has a 40 mile long military convoy stranded with no fuel, has his own forces accidentally shooting each other up, an has made 20% of the progress in nine days that he expected in 24 hours.

We continue to grossly over-state the danger of Russias military; and I simply don’t think the nuclear option is even on the table for him. If he tried to give that order he’d be ousted by his own military.

He was full of bombastic tough talk about the west a week ago - don’t sanction us or else, don’t send weapons to Ukraine or else. Pure hot air.
 
Northern_chappy said:
I have to disagree strongly here.

If you invoke a no fly zone you then have two options. You either ignore any Russian jets going into the no fly zone and show weakness giving Putin further encouragement, or have to shoot them down and give Putin reason to attack other countries or commit even worse atrocities in Ukraine. Keeping a low profile and quietly providing Ukraine with arms and intelligence to grind out a slow victory is by far the lesser of two evils.
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Agree completely.

Anyone saying no fly zone is the right thing to do, needs to accept that it would certainly escalate things & probably bring the war to the rest or Europe.

Russian ground forces might be poor & they're certainly there to be got. And certainly a group of NATO planes could do em in. But remember behind them lies about 600 ready to go nuclear missiles. And a nutter surrounded by nutters or yes men, or people scared to say no. Each of those missiles carries at least one warhead that has on average 10-20x Hiroshimas.
 
OOOSH YEAH said:
I wish every country on the planet would condemn what Russia are doing but we over here have no right at all to be critical of them after our support for similar things we’ve done.
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Not of the nation and people but the leader.

I bet most Russians think he's a bell now aswell
 
Sweeper said:
Putin has suffered heavy losses in a week, has a 40 mile long military convoy stranded with no fuel, has his own forces accidentally shooting each other up, an has made 20% of the progress in nine days that he expected in 24 hours.

We continue to grossly over-state the danger of Russias military; and I simply don’t think the nuclear option is even on the table for him. If he tried to give that order he’d be ousted by his own military.

He was full of bombastic tough talk about the west a week ago - don’t sanction us or else, don’t send weapons to Ukraine or else. Pure hot air.
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Ooof. That's a big bet mind. "pure hot air"?

Win & you snuff out the Ukrainian conflict.

Lose & you end everything.
 
Concordsafc said:
Playing devils advocate here what if we don’t imply it and then he uses it to launch an attack on another country (it’s possible) a million reasons why this could escalate and nato not showing might is one of them.
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Then you cross that bridge if you get to it.

But why would he launch an attack on another country given he is nowhere near achieving his first objective? You generally want to make your decisions based on likelihood of events happening or not happening. In my opinion an attack on another country without provocation seems extremely unlikely.
 
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