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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Hugh Gains said:
On with wiki page as of Feb 28 Ukraine were claiming to have destroyed 198, not damaged, destroyed. It then links to the Ukrainian sources.



RUSSIA
  • According to Russia (2 March):
  • 4+ soldiers killed, 6+ injured
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  • According to American officials (1 March):
  • ~ 2,000 soldiers killed
  • According to Ukraine (28 February):
  • 5,710 casualties
  • 200 captured
Equipment losses:
  • According to Russia:
    • 2 civilian ships bombed (several casualties onboard)
    • 1 crashed
    • 1 crashed (crew killed)
    • According to Ukraine:
    • 198 tanks destroyed
    • 846 armoured vehicles destroyed
    • 29 aircraft shot down
    • 29 helicopters shot down
    • 2 planes shot down

UKRIANE

  • According to Ukraine:
  • 110+ soldiers killed
  • According to American officials (28 February)
  • ~1,500 soldiers killed
  • According to Russia:
  • 200+ soldiers killed, 470+ captured
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Equipment losses:
  • According to Ukraine:
    • 1 transport aircraft shot down (five onboard killed)
    • 1 shot down
    • According to Russia:
    • 472 tanks/combat vehicles destroyed
    • 336 special military vehicles destroyed
    • 11 combat aircraft shot down
    • 7 combat helicopters shot down
    • 47 aircraft on ground destroyed
    • 46 drones shot down
    • 8 navy vessels destroyed
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That seems like a lot, like an excessive amount. Same as 6,000 troops killed.

Obviously Russia are talking shit, but what are Ukraine gaining from spinning this?
 

Bulwell said:
Especially when Trump was in power and he was "America First" and disparaging of NATO. Under Biden the USA are stable allies again but it's a warning shot for Europe that we need to be able to look after ourselves rather than coasting under the American umbrella.
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one potential benefit if all out conflict is avoided, is a stronger EU able to take care of itself - more an equal partner to the USA. Its plainly obvious in the last week where the special relationship is now, even with the French drag factor.
 
safcforever said:
That seems like a lot, like an excessive amount. Same as 6,000 troops killed.

Obviously Russia are talking shit, but what are Ukraine gaining from spinning this?
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Propaganda innit. The more the world can see and believe Ukraine is kicking ass, the more the world will want to keep flooding the country with arms and aid so they can keep kicking ass. The alternative is that Ukraine falls quicker and the world moves onto the next stage, which is learning to live with Russia occupying Ukraine rather than stopping them from doing so.
 
allegedly Russian dead being taken back over the border to Belarus, at night. In afghanistan they quietly removed their dead and returned them to their families in sealed zinc coffins without any fanfare or recognition

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elder said:
allegedly Russian dead being taken back over the border to Belarus, at night. In afghanistan they quietly removed their dead and returned them to their families in sealed zinc coffins without any fanfare or recognition

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Read that the Russian’s had/have mobile crematoriums. Has this been proven?
 
MonkeyLove said:
It depends how you define lost. If Ukrainians refuse to accept any new government that Russia may try to install then its just perpetual. There is still no easy way Russia can conclude this in a country of 50 million people that will resist in a country that is f***ing huge
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Well Russia will more than likely "win the war" but as we've seen in Iraq and Afghanistan that's the easy part, it can be done in a week or so. Keeping a population subjugated is doomed to failure, for Russia it's like needing a piss, you can resist and keep crossing your legs but sooner or later it's coming out one way or another.
 
brandon said:
Great post, you should copy and paste the body of text and post it again IMO. Many people won’t get round to clicking the link.
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there is an exellent video on youtube somewhere by an ex KGB agent about how they do all the social engineer stuff like facebook groups set up by russian agents to cause division in UK, USA etc etc its all very clever

he was called Yuri (cant remember surname) it will come as no surprise that not long after the video he suddenly disappeared
 
Bulmers said:
So you don't think Johnson dragging his feet over everything - announcing sanctions that initially included all of three billionaires, talking a good game but not delivering, smugly defending golden visa russian immigrants by saying we can't prove direct links to Putin, hanging out since 2015 with notorious Russia apologists like Farage and Banks - is relevant strategically to Russian tactical moves on the ground?
Or that instead of saying Putin is a madman, instead of stepping back and realising this all kicked off in 2008 (or even earlier) and became a hot war in 2014, is not lazy thinking. (Not just me Fiona Hill- Putin biographer and bishop auckland's top US Administration Russia expert thinks this).
Or that taking into account the timelines Putin's unusually extreme political efforts - to buy the tories especially Johnson, aid Trump (not necessarily collude but certainly help) as a means to weaken Nato, fund brexit as a way to weaken the EU - are not strategic factors in the tactical manoeuvre of a 40 km traffic jam of materiel outside of Kyiv.
That Johnson sidestepping that journalist's reasonable question of why both the UK and the US are ignoring the spirit if not the letter of the Budapest agreement is basically admitting our word internationally is worthless. Not really a surprise when you take into account johnson Brexit behaviour or vaccine shenanigans or the fact his party and his personal life are in part funded by the 'evil madman' Putin.
I don't know if you are a Johnson apologist or ill informed but ignoring the elephant in the room (the west's enablement of Putin) when trying to discuss why the sofa has huge round footprints on it and the wooden chairs are smashed isn't keeping the thread on track it is putting your head in the sand. To mix metaphors.
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I cant stand Boris or his policies, his interview was refreshingly honest for a change, I can separate the man from the message, he didn't try to sugar coat things. If we want to be angry with anyone, we should be angry with the London lawyers that are trying the best to slow things down with regards sanitations.

We have the mandate to help Ukraine if we wanted to, but we are doing as much as we can while keeping to the wishes of NATO, we have been using very strong rhetoric from the start, unlike for example Germany, who was been slow to react and needed a lot of pressure to bring them onboard.

but a poster every post saying the same thing over and over again, was pointless and disrupting a very important thread, this was moved to reduce the amount of political crap, doesn't help that the person who was repeating the same line, didn't believe the invasion and spent ages doing the same thing at the start of this thread saying the whole media was wrong, even after Putin invaded.

It wouldn't have been so bad if he had debated the issue, but saying the same line over and over again is pointless.

With regards your point, Putin has been chipping away for years, which we ignored as we were scared, we should have stood up to him much sooner, would have been better to have made the stand in the Russia Georgia war, but gas, money scared about the nukes, we ignored it, dont you think Eastern Europe countries see Russia's plan and all wanted to join the EU, NATO for defence, these countries dont want to go back to a new style USSR. but we were busy with the middle east which is way he choose then IMO, tested the water, then again and again, but he has went to far this time as he thinks we are weak and divided, he was wrong.
 
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