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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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it turns out allegedly that woman journo who was crying at boris asking about a no fly zone etc has abit of history

Kaleniuk, however, is scarcely the “journalist” Western media outlets are
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. Instead, The National Pulse can reveal, Kaleniuk is a long-time political activist recently used in the Joe Biden 2020 campaign. Additionally, Kaleniuk serves as a
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(WEF) Global Young Leader.


if this is indeed true why??
 

Hugh Gains said:
Not comparable.

What is comparable is the non-binding 1994 agreement and the guarantees given to Gorbachev of no NATO eastern expansion.

The latter of which is denied on the NATO website but stated in the 2017 declassified minutes of the meeting with Gorbachev in the 90s.
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you should be easily able to post them then?
 
SYB_DC said:
This is a rare time you and I agree. Trump was the embodiment of deterrence through sheer unpredictability. He amply demonstrated that he was unhinged enough that he might well have pressed the button.

I don't have a lot of good to say about Trump, but I think people are correct that this wouldn't have happened with him in office. Mostly because he's nuts, but that's the way that particular cat gets skinned.
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And yet he tried to block military aid to the Ukraine, unless they opened an investigation to the Biden's. Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump was in power purely because he'd have handed it to Putin on a plate
 
Guitar Man said:
No mate he's trying to save a full scale WW3 ,Few on here are clueless saying don't put up with it ,air attacks etc ,be the first ones crying when the air raid sirens go off and 20 mins to say your goodbyes.
Lets see what the Nato sanctions and Russias normal people starting to get pissed off bring ,already 2 Russian warships have refused to fight at a port near Ukraine and have turned around ,if this snowballs and troops get wind of it it could be a good sign ,maybe thats why they have called another meeting so soon ,clutching at straws i know but lets hope.
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link to the 2 warships story?
 
Guitar Man said:
No mate he's trying to save a full scale WW3 ,Few on here are clueless saying don't put up with it ,air attacks etc ,be the first ones crying when the air raid sirens go off and 20 mins to say your goodbyes.
Lets see what the Nato sanctions and Russias normal people starting to get pissed off bring ,already 2 Russian warships have refused to fight at a port near Ukraine and have turned around ,if this snowballs and troops get wind of it it could be a good sign ,maybe thats why they have called another meeting so soon ,clutching at straws i know but lets hope.
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Could be like Battleship Potemkin all over again.
 
englishman abroad said:
And yet he tried to block military aid to the Ukraine, unless they opened an investigation to the Biden's. Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump was in power purely because he'd have handed it to Putin on a plate
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You're assuming that Trump has any internal conflict between trying to extort Ukraine for his own personal ends and defending it to an insane degree when that might also serve his own personal ends.

That's simply not how Trump works. He can do two things that seem wildly inconsistent to any normal person until one realizes that the only commonality between the two actions is that they somehow benefit Trump personally.

If Trump needs to say the sky is blue one moment to benefit Trump and then green the next (while insisting that anyone who says it's blue is an idiot) to also benefit Trump, he'll do it with no hesistation.
 
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anitdontmajanow said:
it turns out allegedly that woman journo who was crying at boris asking about a no fly zone etc has abit of history

Kaleniuk, however, is scarcely the “journalist” Western media outlets are
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. Instead, The National Pulse can reveal, Kaleniuk is a long-time political activist recently used in the Joe Biden 2020 campaign. Additionally, Kaleniuk serves as a
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(WEF) Global Young Leader.


if this is indeed true why??
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Why the devil are you trusting the National Pulse about anything?
 
OOOSH YEAH said:
He meant those currently trying to leave. He was complaining that the coverage was bias toward white people. I had a quick look and there are very very few none whites living there however I’ve seen lots of reports of how they’re struggling.
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SYB_DC said:
You're assuming that Trump has any internal conflict between trying to extort Ukraine for his own personal ends and defending it to an insane degree when that might also serve his own personal ends.

That's simply not how Trump works. He can do two things that seem wildly inconsistent to any normal person until one realizes that the only commonality between the two actions is that they somehow benefit Trump personally.
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I agree, everything Trump is a transaction, and has to be beneficial to him
Selling out Ukraine to the Russian's in order to protect himself, borrow money from the Russians or building a hotel. It doesn't really matter to him
 
Epping said:
I think much of it is the priority of women and children .

However I'm not naive enough to know that racism is still pretty rifei n eastern Europe and situations like this will bring some of it to the fore
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Not excusing any of it but it wasn't the most enlightened region in the world anyway & this chaos will bring the worst out in anybody.
 
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