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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Alcoholic_Author said:
That’s not how Russia will see it and that is what matters when there is conflict afoot. They just see encroachment.
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The Russians can have their own opinions but they don't get to have their own facts.

Ukraine is a sovereign country that isn't threatening anyone, Russian foreign policy is not their concern and their destiny should be there decision.

My wife is half Ukrainian half Russian with a Russian surname of which she is ashamed of now. Russia has consistently threatened and bullied it's neighbours. No wonder eastern european countries have looked to NATO for security with such a volatile neighbour.

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar and if Russia wasn't so dominating then Ukraine would just be a buffer between east and west. The Russians have brought this scenario on themselves.
 
West_Winger said:
It isn’t so much about punishment for being Russian but about taking away any Russian prestige where they can “advertise” how great they are.

Things like chess, Eurovision, football, the F1 race - all fairly minor in the singular but removal from all of them removes a lot of vicarious prestige for Putin.
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In that instance though (NHL and NBA) they’re just individuals playing sport in a league.

Fairly sure every player in the NHL has the Stars and Stripes on their uniform anyway, so it’s not glorifying Russia in any way.
 
The Great Soprendo said:
We know that Russians have been vilified for decades...it's been a postwar narrative in the West (esp the US) we're all familiar with. However I would also hazard a guess that nearly every one of us can tell the difference between the decent and downtrodden ordinary folk of Moscow or St Petersburg, and the mafia-like ruling class with Putin at its head, who have infiltrated our economy with their dirty money, and influenced our politics to our detriment.
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I’d like to agree with you but I dare say it’s not the case….I’d say about 52% of the country can’t tell the differed and will buy into the narrative spouted
 
MackemX said:
Sad stuff being said by Ukraine's ambassodor at the UN meeting on BBC News (don't know if it's on Sky also)

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For those that couldn't watch it. He held up a printed screenshot of what looked like phone messages.

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I think the translator missed the beginning of it but it started with this which I think is the last message and possibly the mother wanting to send her son a parcel.

"A parcel, what kind of a parcel mama can you send me? What are you talking about, what happened? Mama I'm in Ukraine, there is a real war raging here. I'm afraid, we are bombing all of the cities together, even, even targeting civilians. We were told they would welcome us and they are falling under our armoured vehicles, throwing themselves under the wheels and not allowing us to pass. They call us fascists, mama this is so hard."

He then finished it saying this was several moments before he was killed.
 
Bulwell said:
The Russians can have their own opinions but they don't get to have their own facts.

Ukraine is a sovereign country that isn't threatening anyone, Russian foreign policy is not their concern and their destiny should be there decision.

My wife is half Ukrainian half Russian with a Russian surname of which she is ashamed of now. Russia has consistently threatened and bullied it's neighbours. No wonder eastern european countries have looked to NATO for security with such a volatile neighbour.

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar and if Russia wasn't so dominating then Ukraine would just be a buffer between east and west. The Russians have brought this scenario on themselves.
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I appreciate the take, but this is just the take from the liberal/western perspective, there isn’t a singular truth and If circumstances were reversed many would be up in arms.
 
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luvulongtime said:
when Khrushchev took over from Stalin his first speech to the politburo was a scathing attack on his reign talked about the murders starvation corruption etc someone shouted 'why didn't you say something back then' he screamed back 'who the fuck said that' absolute silence followed then he said 'that's why'
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The IIHF (International Ice Hockey Foundation) are meeting today to discuss the situation.

Several countries have joined the call to ban Russia and Belarus from this years World Championships.

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Last years tournament was due to be held in Minsk (joint bid with Latvia) but they had the right removed due to previous misdemeanours.

Strong rumours now circling from the above meeting that the IIHF have kicked Russia and Belarus out.

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Alcoholic_Author said:
I appreciate the take, but this is just the take from the liberal/western perspective, there isn’t a singular truth and of circumstances were reversed many would be up in arms.
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There's a singular truth here: Russia invaded a sovereign country for no reasons other than self-generated pretexts.

That's not really a perspective-based argument. Other than Russian nationalists, I don't think any reasonable person, regardless of origin, would dispute it. Or perhaps it's just a signal that one perspective is based on a mountain of utter bullshit. I'm past the point of pretending that the fact that stories have two sides means the sides are even remotely equivalent in legitimacy.
 
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SYB_DC said:
There's a singular truth here: Russia invaded a sovereign country for no reasons other than self-generated pretexts. That's not really a perspective-based argument. Other than Russian nationalists, I don't think any reasonable person, regardless of origin, would dispute it.
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I’m not in the mood to debate the broader geopolitical movements that have already been made, that’s been done, but again, what is happening now is on the back of the last two decades. You don’t have to like it, you don’t have to think it’s legitimate, but it’s beneficial to understand it.
 
Cow said:
Course it’s racist, to sort of prove a point but let’s keep racism out of it, that’s another debate, I probably shouldn’t have used that phrase.

Totally agree with the rest of your post though, said this earlier in the thread, the way people across the globe have pulled together will hopefully make leaders sit up and take notice that war isn’t why we want in any shape or form
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I agree you shouldnt have used that phrase when making a point about Racist posts about Russians, Being racist to prove a point is still being racist is it not, it had no place in this tread and was bang out of order to "get a few laughs"

Maybe if we as humans showed a bit more respect and understanding to each other and each others cultures, we wouldn't be seeing 100's dead now.

I feel damn sorry for the Russian people in the main, I can see years of suffering for them just because of a stupid leadership that is scared of the west and mistrusts us, I can also see there's very little they can do in the short term, I just hope beyond hope Putin is removed and if he is, we extend an Olive branch and try and find common ground so the world is a safer place, I feel the same about the middle east too, hearts and minds, not bombs and bullets is the way to find long term peace.
 
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Alcoholic_Author said:
I’m not in the mood to debate the broader geopolitical movements that have already been made, that’s been done, but again, what is happening now is on the back of the last two decades. You don’t have to like it, you don’t have to think it’s legitimate, but it’s beneficial to understand it.
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I do understand it. I can understand why Russia feels smaller, emasculated, or whatever. But the expansion of NATO to places like Bulgaria and Estonia hasn't resulted in those places doing anything at all to harm Russian interests. Ukraine pivoting westward wouldn't be any different.

In human terms, Putin's last two decades have been that of an abusive ex-spouse: "If I can't have her, no one can!"
 
brandon said:
Ignore it then.

Again, need to point out to you that this IS the politics forum. So don’t be surprised if people on this forum are therefore ‘politically minded’.
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Why am I even replying to this? 🤔 I'll say one more thing as it's a thread on the politics forum with a subject and it seems that you can't quite grasp that and coming out with the old "if you don't like it just ignore it" and thinkk this thread can be a free for all discussion. That's my point and why I raised it again with @Pancho as it's often too much to ignore when people are looking to see what the latest updates are in. Not everyone is that bothered about politics but they then end up seeing a load of political discussion that sometimes end up, like yours did earlier, off topic and basically tit for tat.
 
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