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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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What Ukraine has already done is explode the myth of the unstopable Russian army.

It has has always been a collection of strangers and amateurs, certainly brave enough but not well trained and unable to find their collective asses with both hands if expected to think for themselves.

So, when Putin starts threatening any NATO country from now on just imagine what even just a brigade of US Marines, the best trained, most cohesive, loyal to each other, well armed fighting force on the planet would do to his troops. Fish in a barrel it would be.

The myth is done. From now on the old fool has only one threat left. To go nuclear.
 
it's worth a ponder that the russian invasion and failed, expensive occupation of afghanistan was partly responsible for the end of the soviet union. could the invasion of ukraine be the end of putin's (soviet lite) russia?
i've heard figures of $15 billion per day for this war, which seems extreme as that's their whole defence spending for a year spent in just a few days.

the next generation of russian leaders most likely weren't around in those soviet days. this could be a massive self tuck for putin.
 
elder said:
it's worth a ponder that the russian invasion and failed, expensive occupation of afghanistan was partly responsible for the end of the soviet union. could the invasion of ukraine be the end of putin's (soviet lite) russia?
i've heard figures of $15 billion per day for this war, which seems extreme as that's their whole defence spending for a year spent in just a few days.

the next generation of russian leaders most likely weren't around in those soviet days. this could be a massive self tuck for putin.
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My brother in law fought in Afghanistan. It destroyed many young men, conscripts almost entirely, not just what they went through in the fighting but the total lack of support when they arrived back in Russia. they were looked on almost as traitors..a bit like the US lads who came back from Vietnam I guess.
 
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My brother in law fought in Afghanistan. It destroyed many young men, conscripts almost entirely, not just what they went through in the fighting but the total lack of support when they arrived back in Russia. they were looked on almost as traitors..a bit like the US lads who came back from Vietnam I guess.
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have you seen rory stewart's afghan doco. in part 2 he talks about the russian invasion and also interviews russian veterans. it's a good watch:

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elder said:
have you seen rory stewart's afghan doco. in part 2 he talks about the russian invasion and also interviews russian veterans. it's a good watch:

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There's an excellent Russian movie, The 9th Company, about that war. Very harsh but pulls no punches. Not an ounce of glory attached to anyone or any side
 
The "information war" I would say is a bit of blind alley. Something Johnson the liar would be rubbing his leg up to.

Its the real war is important now.
 
jcrossan said:
What Ukraine has already done is explode the myth of the unstopable Russian army.

It has has always been a collection of strangers and amateurs, certainly brave enough but not well trained and unable to find their collective asses with both hands if expected to think for themselves.

So, when Putin starts threatening any NATO country from now on just imagine what even just a brigade of US Marines, the best trained, most cohesive, loyal to each other, well armed fighting force on the planet would do to his troops. Fish in a barrel it would be.

The myth is done. From now on the old fool has only one threat left. To go nuclear.
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Yep, I posted earlier all I can see is that NATO would walk through the Russian military.
 
jcrossan said:
What Ukraine has already done is explode the myth of the unstopable Russian army.
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This is extremely premature considering there's about 30,000 out of combined 230,000 troops invading. The original figure was 200,000 but with Belarus and Chechnya having confirmed forces assisting that figure has significant rose, and would of been alot worse if Kazakhstan obliged.

This is just the first 'wave' of attacks, the other 200,000 are still awaiting orders and the territory the first wave have seized are pretty much unofficially annexed. If you look at the geography of what the Russians have taken thus far, the northern cities link up with the Belarus border who consider themselves a co-state of Russia and the south-east are in between Crimea and the separatist regions, both which the Ukrainians are never seeing ever again.

They might not be the most highly trained soldiers but they've been set a task to conquer or destroy everything in it's path, and will very most likely succeed by just pure attrition
 
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