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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Pantomime Mackem said:
China's interest is in the South China sea where they are expanding. A weakening America is in their interests, so they'll welcome this. They won't crow about it, but it absolutely plays into their hands.

The most important meeting about this in recent weeks was the one between Putin and Xi on the opening day of the Olympics.
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exactly. they are the big winners in this.. “The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.”
 
citybythesea said:
There’s been peace in Europe for decades till putin decided he didn’t want it!

He’s rigged the elections to keep him in power and crushed any opposition

This way of thinking is why the Soviet Union failed in the first place
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You catch a lot more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

Russians and Ukrainians are similar culturally and have a lot of family in both countries like England and Scotland. If Russia were friendly towards Ukraine there would be no need for Ukraine to join NATO.

Ukraine gave up it's nuclear weapons when the Soviet Union split up and the Budapest memorandum which was signed by Russia, Belarus, USA & UK assured their borders and sovereignty. Not worth the paper it's written on.
 
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
They're all utterly hopeless when it comes to dealing with Putin. Every single one of them are a puppet on a string, I've always said that. People might not like Putin but he's absolutely rock solid, no pissing about with him.
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Gawd bless him i wish he had his Jack voot on me 'eck here . The English federation stretch from Cork to Calais.
 
Scotty said:
China might decide at some point that Taiwan is in play, but i think we're a long way off that (and if that did happen then the world is probably totally screwed at that point)
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America has a treaty in place with Taiwan where it must help if it's attacked. Taiwan would of been wiped out along time ago otherwise.

I think China will test the waters a bit more because of the west's weak response to Russia, but it can't outright do anything without America getting involved
 
UpTheDuff said:
There’s the Sakhalin Islands which are disputed. The chance to close down Arctic shipping channels. Also just generally destroying the military reserves in the East and the various heavy industrial plants.

Plus it’s a distraction. If Western forces are in the East then Putin will not be able to transfer 100,000 soldiers (or whatever it is) from the East to Ukraine as he has been doing in recent months.

He won’t have considered a war on two fronts. But China wouldn’t allow it, given their own disputes with Japan.
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i thought Sahkalin was resolved (although i believe the Kuriles are still disputed)

and you're right, China would have a fit

the problem is - all of this would be a good idea IF everyone could be trusted to stay conventional, US carrier groups could do all this and more on their own

the problem is that it would be a massive escalation, and outside the remit of NATO (and would effectively require US congress to authorise a declaration of war)
 
So what kind of numbers can the UK, France, USA, Germany, Australia, Italy, Portugal, Israel, Spain, Japan, Ukraine, Poland and other allies muster up troop wise ? Enough to scare off Russia or not ?
 
r@mside said:
Not one that say's precisely this or that the former USSR belongs to Russia, have you got a link?
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His speech on Monday:
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More telling is this piece he wrote last year:
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Scotty said:
China will sit on the fence and attempt to play both sides

they'll not give up the $ or £ that the west provide for their goods, and no doubt Putin will attempt to use them to try and bypass whatever sanctions are imposed (probably via mineral exports, gas, etc)

China might decide at some point that Taiwan is in play, but i think we're a long way off that (and if that did happen then the world is probably totally screwed at that point)
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China itself is still well behind the US in advanced technology so if the US bars anyone from selling their chips and software to Russia it will have a significant effect that China can't mitigate fully.
 
Scotty said:
i thought Sahkalin was resolved (although i believe the Kuriles are still disputed)

and you're right, China would have a fit

the problem is - all of this would be a good idea IF everyone could be trusted to stay conventional, US carrier groups could do all this and more on their own

the problem is that it would be a massive escalation, and outside the remit of NATO (and would effectively require US congress to authorise a declaration of war)
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Yes, I agree with you there. It would be a huge escalation and unprecedented.
 
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