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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Putin is probably banking on a quick victory. If he gets that and either puts a puppet government in or Ukraine surrender (The latter highly unlikely) he can probably achieve his aims.

If he doesn’t and Ukraine fight an entrenched guerilla war it’s going to be tough for Russia.

Ukraine have the biggest armed forces in Europe after Russia. Nearly 500,000 full and part time Western trained forces. Then a large civil defence force.

They will also be given massive funding and weapon deliveries as the West fight a proxy war. In the last few hours alone they are getting 350 million from the World bank and Poland is upping its weapons deliveries. It’s probably the only bi partisan issue in the US at the moment so they will get huge military aid and “defensive weapons” from the uS, us, other Scandinavian and Baltic countries. And ironically the Saudis are funding their missile programme.

Putin has the challenge this will cost him a fortune and Ukraine is a huge country that he has to maintain supply chains across for food, fuel, ammo, shells, missiles and other logistics the further West they get. You’d also question the Russian morale the longer it goes on. A lot of their troops are young lads who started moving into position in December and have already spent 2 months away from home living in tents in inhospitable sub zero temperatures.

Historically even the military strength of superpowers have struggled when invading countries which fight back an entrenched guerilla war. If Putin doesn’t get a quick victory it will be hard for Russia
 
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Frank Bullitt said:
I'm no fan of NATO it doesn't mean I want Putin to invade Ukraine. Stopthewar are a UK based coalition, they are more likely to criticise our side as it makes more noise. They still aren't cheering for Putin to march into Ukraine. As with anything political there are 627 angles to everything.
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So STW organise plenty of non UK Protests at American and Israeli embassies. But none at Russia. Every word they have is anti Ukraine. They’re pro Putin.

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I think he'll send a "peacekeeping" force into Donbass & then offer an agreement as they've taken the areas anyway. They'll declare independence & not be recognised but remember Taiwan formally isn't.
Kiev won't be able to refuse that.
 
Suomifinland said:
I think he'll send a "peacekeeping" force into Donbass & then offer an agreement as they've taken the areas anyway. They'll declare independence & not be recognised but remember Taiwan formally isn't.
Kiev won't be able to refuse that.
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I’m not sure what he gains strategically by just doing that. He wants to either split the Ukraine in half to make it a far smaller and less threatening cohesive state on his border. Or he wants a Russian leaning government.

There was also rumours If still part of Ukraine those 2 regions would have a veto on NATO membership.

Not sure what he gains by just taking back a few percent of Ukraine’s overall territory and freeing up the other 95% plus to still join NATO
 
Jack Blue said:
So STW organise plenty of non UK Protests at American and Israeli embassies. But none at Russia. Every word they have is anti Ukraine. They’re pro Putin.

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An interesting article further down the page, 'stop the war in Ukraine - stop NATO Expansion'
 
The American right have a long history of siding up to Russia, sometimes even doing so to stand against their own country (
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) but I am surprised they would even do that when Russia are potentially going to invade another country
 
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Arfa Sleep said:
$$$$?
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This. Farage same.
Tell you what with that lot mind, when all this comes out one day a lot of people will hang heads in shame what they fell for.

That shite on the bus is from the same playbook as the shite being spouted now over Ukraine. Just blatant disinformation that they know works.

Tell 20 lies & you'll get rumbled on 1 but the other 19 will do their job.
Trump exact same.
 
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MonkeyLove said:
Putin is probably banking on a quick victory. If he gets that and either puts a puppet government in or Ukraine surrender (The latter highly unlikely) he can probably achieve his aims.

If he doesn’t and Ukraine fight an entrenched guerilla war it’s going to be tough for Russia.

Ukraine have the biggest armed forces in Europe after Russia. Nearly 500,000 full and part time Western trained forces. Then a large civil defence force.

They will also be given massive funding and weapon deliveries as the West fight a proxy war. In the last few hours alone they are getting 350 million from the World bank and Poland is upping its weapons deliveries. It’s probably the only bi partisan issue in the US at the moment so they will get huge military aid and “defensive weapons” from the uS, us, other Scandinavian and Baltic countries. And ironically the Saudis are funding their missile programme.

Putin has the challenge this will cost him a fortune and Ukraine is a huge country that he has to maintain supply chains across for food, fuel, ammo, shells, missiles and other logistics the further West they get. You’d also question the Russian morale the longer it goes on. A lot of their troops are young lads who started moving into position in December and have already spent 2 months away from home living in tents in inhospitable sub zero temperatures.

Historically even the military strength of superpowers have struggled when invading countries which fight back an entrenched guerilla war. If Putin doesn’t get a quick victory it will be hard for Russia
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in other words a tricky away fixture
 
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