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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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mcq10 said:
Everyone’s assuming the Ukrainians will just roll over. I bet the yanks haven’t half been kitting them out the last few months.
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I doubt if the Ukrainians would roll over. They have a massive army themselves and yet still have women civilians training for an armed conflict. However the Russian have a hardware advantage but we as well as the yanks will have been supplying them with defensive firepower. It'll be a blood bath.
 

r@mside said:
I thought it was obvious I was being facetious but you must have missed the irony of what's a routine political position in the US, especially among Republicans, being construed as sinister when it happens in Russia.

We can see from our own media coverage how unprepared Truss was, we didn't need manipulative Russians to make the point. I wouldn't argue they'll make the most of it, it's pretty common political behaviour. You might remember the Brexit negotiations photo shoot where Davis was sat surrounded by EU reps with wads of paperwork to make it look like they were more prepared than us. We make relentless uninformed, fake and misrepresentative allegations against Russia ourselves, why should we expect them to be any different?

I don't like to defend Putin because he's the antithesis of a leader I would want for this country, but he's no different or any more evil than many of our close allies and I think that needs to be kept in mind when considering geopolitics. When it comes to lying, he has plenty of competition here and in the US, and it gets lapped up by the public thanks to stories like those Julia Davis is spinning.
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Not sure the 50,000 Ukrainians that may well die next week would agree with your arguement,
 
mcq10 said:
Everyone’s assuming the Ukrainians will just roll over. I bet the yanks haven’t half been kitting them out the last few months.
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they won't they've got decent tanks and artillery but nowhere near the numbers Russia have and as Stalin said 'quantity has quality of its own'
 
mcq10 said:
Everyone’s assuming the Ukrainians will just roll over. I bet the yanks haven’t half been kitting them out the last few months.
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If ever there was a time we should be sending troops into a warzone it would be now, this half hearted approach will lead to a longer war with more deaths overall and most probably russian victory which will then Stoke their nationalists into action.

If us and our allies were to responds swiftly and ferociously without actually crossing into russian land Putin will be weakened and replaced.
 
Super Mario said:
If ever there was a time we should be sending troops into a warzone it would be now, this half hearted approach will lead to a longer war with more deaths overall and most probably russian victory which will then Stoke their nationalists into action.

If us and our allies were to responds swiftly and ferociously without actually crossing into russian land Putin will be weakened and replaced.
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Putin will want a swift victory or he could face trouble at home with around 30 million people related to Ukrainians especially in some of the larger cities. If the Russians get bogged down in a guerrilla war it could turn out to be another Afghanistan for them.
 
Super Mario said:
If ever there was a time we should be sending troops into a warzone it would be now, this half hearted approach will lead to a longer war with more deaths overall and most probably russian victory which will then Stoke their nationalists into action.

If us and our allies were to responds swiftly and ferociously without actually crossing into russian land Putin will be weakened and replaced.
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We're talking tens of thousands of allied casualties if we send troops. Not to mention the prospect of escalation involving nukes..
 
Mercia Blackcat said:
Dropping detectors into the ocean to track Russian subs has been going on for decades and is routine. When a sub leaves the norther Russian port of Murmansk it must do so on the surface and its departure in picked up by USA satellite. Once in open sea it has two choices to either slip under the ice cap and enter the Pacific or come down into the Atlantic between Iceland the the UK. The Norwegian air force drops sensors every mile of the route into the water all the way until the UK air force takes over. This tracking is continuous and once the submarine reaches the Atlantic the waiting American wolf packs take over the tracking and there have been some notorious close counter collisions over the decades. Considering the nuclear fire power of the Russian subs it is essential for NATO to know the location of every single one of them.

The Yanks are not going to tolerate nuclear armed Russian subs just sitting off their Eastern Atlantic seaboard whether they are in international waters or not and the Russians know exactly what the game of cat and mouse involves. It's neither acceptable for them to be sitting off the coast of the British Isles whether they are in international waters or not. The chances are if they did not withdraw then it is likely one of their subs would have been rammed. It has happened before. There would have been NATO subs swarming around them.
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I think you've been reading too many comics.

Where's your evidence?
 
englishman abroad said:
Not sure the 50,000 Ukrainians that may well die next week would agree with your arguement,
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We've been promising it'll happen for 8 years, who knows what they must think.

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