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Roy Keane

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Georgewhitt said:
I think this needs to be addressed. The thinking that he is a dinosaur, a hothead, a loose canon, is predominantly based on his playing days, and yes, back then, was probably correct.
He is 50 years old now, and has matured, both in his outlook, and his tactical ability and knowledge of the game.
People change with age. I joined the forces because if I hadn't I would probably have done time. Even in the Navy, I was permanently in the shit. Ffs, I hoyed a taxi driver into the water in Plymouth dockyard once, because he had no change for a tenner.

I am happy with my garden and my dog now. Mellow (ish)

He is the right man, at the right time, not the hand grenade he once was.
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i agree with your point that people can change; i had no problem with Keane when he was here before.

but i'm not sure what evidence there is out there to suggest he has matured in his tactical ability and knowledge of the game. a brief synopsis of his time with ireland suggests he was never too far away from controversy or a media circus. he hasn't managed at club level for 10 years.

i'm not saying he would be a bad appointment, but i'm not sure he such a perfect fit for us at the moment as people are making out

i think we have a very good squad, we need a tactician to get them playing in the most effective shape
 
Sidewinder2 said:
He openly said he would have decked De Gea after his performance in a game last year.

Kind of negates your point
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You're taking that 100% at face value and completely missing that he could a) have meant when he was a player in the dressing room b) be playing up to his media persona c) being deliberately provacative

I'm not expecting him to come in and start swinging for Hoffman in reality :lol:
tunstallhill said:
i agree with your point that people can change; i had no problem with Keane when he was here before.

but i'm not sure what evidence there is out there to suggest he has matured in his tactical ability and knowledge of the game. a brief synopsis of his time with ireland suggests he was never too far away from controversy or a media circus. he hasn't managed at club level for 10 years.

i'm not saying he would be a bad appointment, but i'm not sure he such a perfect fit for us at the moment as people are making out

i think we have a very good squad, we need a tactician to get them playing in the most effective shape
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I don't think we need a tactician as much as we need a clear leader to motivate them and stop their heads from dropping so easily.
 
tunstallhill said:
i agree with your point that people can change; i had no problem with Keane when he was here before.

but i'm not sure what evidence there is out there to suggest he has matured in his tactical ability and knowledge of the game. a brief synopsis of his time with ireland suggests he was never too far away from controversy or a media circus. he hasn't managed at club level for 10 years.

i'm not saying he would be a bad appointment, but i'm not sure he such a perfect fit for us at the moment as people are making out

i think we have a very good squad, we need a tactician to get them playing in the most effective shape
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I don't think that anybody is under any illusions about the very high risk of employing Keane.

With risk can come reward though. We are about as rudderless as its possible to be and one thing that you can guarantee with Keane is that he brings leadership, standards and will draw attention away from the players recent performances.

The biggest risk of course, is whether the players have it within them to play the way that he wants them to. It may have to be crisis management and Keane settles for sorting out defence and midfield above all else and then settles for either direct attacks or counter attacking play.

A longer contract and guaranteed budgets dependent on progress will give Keane that opportunity to complete his unfinished business and I don't think many would be shocked if he pulls this off.
 
johnnyat87 said:
I don't think we need a tactician as much as we need a clear leader to motivate them and stop their heads from dropping so easily.
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aye there is that anarl, they are mostly young lads who have no experience of going behind in games and keeping their original plan or adapting to counter the opposition. if we go 1-0 down in a game, we may aswel just blow the full time whistle.

however, we also seem to be playing very very poorly, with good players. the shape of the team is all wrong. i'm not going to suggest that i know how to fix it, but the new manager should be able to use the players we have to form a shape that suits us better
 
johnnyat87 said:
You're taking that 100% at face value and completely missing that he could a) have meant when he was a player in the dressing room b) be playing up to his media persona c) being deliberately provacative

I'm not expecting him to come in and start swinging for Hoffman in reality :lol:

I don't think we need a tactician as much as we need a clear leader to motivate them and stop their heads from dropping so easily.
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We definitely need a tactician and a motivator
 
Birtley Lad said:
Apparently there are two issues and money is not an issue.The main one seems to be around what a longer contract means in terms of where Keane will Live. The current regime have stated quite explicitly to existing and potential players that if you are a Sunderland player you must buy into the club and move lock stock and barrel into the area. This was a bone of contention with Grigg and one transfer fell through in the summer as a transfer target wanted to commute from a distance. KLD and KS have tried to model this approach. KLD was at Cheltenham - he’ll be at Eppleton a few days later - he‘s always around the club - rather than Monaco! Short was more remote and it led to problems. The management team have made a big point of this principle within the club and feel a head coach who lives in the NW would dilute this approach and cause unrest in the playing group.

Keane is settled in the NW and wants a long contract - 3 years plus - before he would consider moving to NE. This was the position on Monday - not sure how it has progressed. Negotiations will hopefully lead to a workable compromise.
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Dear me man he only lives in Cheshire. Why can’t he just do what LJ did, live in Durham. Home Saturday night, back in Monday morning.
 
punch-drunk now, just tell us anyone new is in charge while the play-offs are still within sight. Rudderless for much longer and the season is completely gone.
 
Iain said:
Although it's seems to have a horrendous affect on the last 2 games is 10 days really an extremely long time to sack a manager and bring a replacement in. To me that's not the problem, the problem was the fact Speakman had not one person in a position to take the first team for 2 games , if its true what is being said that Keane agreed on Friday and the hold up has been trying to reach an agreement with Nottingham forest to release Reid, then I don't think they have done that much wrong in that situation.
What has happened in the days in-between are questions that Speakman should be forced to answer
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He should have had a short list of replacements ready to go as soon as a decision was made to sack LJ.

He also should have had the balls to step into the dug out for the interim games until a replacement is put into post when it became apparent Dodds wasn't suited.

It's like in business when you remove a member of management or they put in their notice, normally you ask your most promising, or next in line to take over in the short term. You then support them and step in if they are not up to the task.
 
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