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The Rat said:
So every single player and coach from the time Rafiq was employed at the club is now complicit?

Dont you think you are going a little over the top?
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To answer the first question, I believe so yes.

As for the second question, absolutely not. I stand by my principles. I abhore racism and tbh perhaps seeing a club I've loved which has been a massive part of my life for more than half of it torn apart by racists, is what has led me to take such a hardline stance.

It's easy for those without the club in their hearts to tell me how I should feel about it, without really understanding how I feel if that makes sense. I care deeply about the club and I would like nothing more to return one day. But that feels nowhere near while anyone who was there at the time is still at the club
 

Silly Point said:
To answer the first question, I believe so yes.

As for the second question, absolutely not. I stand by my principles. I abhore racism and tbh perhaps seeing a club I've loved which has been a massive part of my life for more than half of it torn apart by racists, is what has led me to take such a hardline stance.

It's easy for those without the club in their hearts to tell me how I should feel about it, without really understanding how I feel if that makes sense. I care deeply about the club and I would like nothing more to return one day. But that feels nowhere near while anyone who was there at the time is still at the club
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I am not telling you how to feel I just think you have lost all perspective on the situation. I find this completely over the top personally and you are accusing people of things that you have absolutely no idea happened or if they were even aware.

So do you think Kane Williamson is complict then? Genuine question? Who was in the dressing room for long periods during this time

How about Aaron Finch? Should he have been allowed to captain the T2O world cup side?

I dont feel some are objectively looking at the situation, just accepted every single word of the DCSM testimony as gospel and that anyone who was at yorkshire is a bad person

are there people who need action taking? Yes.

But its a lot more complicated than you are making out, IMO anyway.
 
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The Rat said:
I am not telling you how to feel I just think you have lost all perspective on the situation. I find this completely over the top personally and you are accusing people of things that you have absolutely no idea happened or if they were even aware.

So do you think Kane Williamson is complict then? Genuine question? Who was in the dressing room for long periods during this time

How about Aaron Finch? Should he have been allowed to captain the T2O world cup side?

I dont feel some are objectively looking at the situation, just accepted every single word of the DCSM testimony as gospel and that anyone who was at yorkshire is a bad person

are there people who need action taking? Yes.

But its a lot more complicated than you are making out, IMO anyway.
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Going by my definition yes. What their board do is up to them, but if they were English I'd want questions asked, as I do with Root and Bairstow. I still love them as cricketers and they're good people I think, but the whole thing has cast a shadow over them, like it or not.
 
Silly Point said:
Going by my definition yes. What their board do is up to them, but if they were English I'd want questions asked, as I do with Root and Bairstow. I still love them as cricketers and they're good people I think, but the whole thing has cast a shadow over them, like it or not.
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Joe Root has answered those questions, he said he didnt see anything, I for one believe him.

If you are calling him a liar then thats up to you marra, you are allowed your own opinions.

It hasnt cast a shadow over them at all.
 
Clarification on YCCC sanction is provided in today's Times. Pressure from the counties has led to publication of next season's fixtures before the investigation by CDC is concluded which will not be before February and hence before any possible sanctions resulting from its finding can be imposed. The report from government DCMS will be published on Friday which will also impact on possible sanctions.
 
The Rat said:
Joe Root has answered those questions, he said he didnt see anything, I for one believe him.

If you are calling him a liar then thats up to you marra, you are allowed your own opinions.

It hasnt cast a shadow over them at all.
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Rafiq says Root was present at social events where he was called a p**i.

Are you calling Rafiq a liar?
 
smoker said:
Rafiq says Root was present at social events where he was called a p**i.

Are you calling Rafiq a liar?
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I don't believe every word he says no.
I think he was very credible at the DCMS hearing and has certainly gone through some awful things,but not sure how we got to the stage where every single thing he has said is gospel. It isn't.
 
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The York’s racist scum are really going to get away with just token punishment aren’t they.The appointment of Lord Patel May seem to have been a clever smokescreen to soften any real serious financial and league demotions from any real or perceived harshness.
It would appear that financial irregularities which my have some small effect on ECB’ s cash reserves are more deserving of punishment than discrimination and racism
 
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Monument View said:
The York’s racist scum are really going to get away with just token punishment aren’t they.The appointment of Lord Patel May seem to have been a clever smokescreen to soften any real serious financial and league demotions from any real or perceived harshness.
It would appear that financial irregularities which my have some small effect on ECB’ s cash reserves are more deserving of punishment than discrimination and racism
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The initial BBC report may have implied YCCC were getting away without sanction but reports in today's media clarify that fixture publication could no longer be delayed but equally sanctions on YCCC couldn't be decided until the CDP had released their findings. Equally the DCMS will be releasing their findings. Rafiq has made serious allegations,it is only right that those accused have the right to reply before to whom and to what extent sanctions are implied.
It's interesting that the one name that came up most frequently,and who has openly admitted to using racist language remains on the playing staff. That implies to me that he has a strong legal case for not being dismissed. Neither DCMS nor the media will allow YCCC to escape sanction.
 
hudson88 said:
Got to laugh at those on social media who claim loss of internationals is unfair on Yorkshire on top of the loss of sponsors they’ve already suffered.

Try relegation, points deductions and loss of test matches
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tbf though dont think anyone would disagree with durham being unfairly treated

if you are from yorkshire and are a big cricket fan and the highlight of your summer is going to watch England play at your local ground, what does it achieve by stopping that happening for those people?

Punishing people who did nothing wrong
 
mosi said:
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The DCMS report has now been released. Looks like the whole of English cricket is in the dock
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Just listened to Julian Knight interview very strong on Yorkshire and English cricket. Agree with him that Yorkshire have to cut all ties with the Graves trust before they can move forward.
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
Just listened to Julian Knight interview very strong on Yorkshire and English cricket. Agree with him that Yorkshire have to cut all ties with the Graves trust before they can move forward.
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It was the Graves trust that blocked the original report which led indirectly to Rafiq's very public evidence to the DCMS. Problem is though without Graves trust funding Yorkshire would probably be declared bankrupt.
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He also urged Yorkshire to look at their ownership structure, particularly in relation to the power of veto that the Colin Graves Trust, which is owed £20 million by the county, has over decisions by the club’s board of directors.

“One area we will be exploring is the ownership structure,” he said. “We know that the Colin Graves Trust, according to Roger Hutton, the former Yorkshire chairman, did not execute his recommendations to sack some of those who were involved in this scandal. That is very alarming, and I wonder whether they can have international matches back until it is clear that there is something in place to ensure there is no repetition of such a catastrophic decision.”
Basically then, Yorkshire can't be given International fixtures back until Graves trust withdrawals its power of veto. Although difficult to see how this could be monitored.
 
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Aidan11 said:
To be fair the ECB were ruthless in banning them from hosting test matches between November and February.
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Aye, I’m sure they’ve learnt their lesson.

I don’t necessarily agree that our punishment should be used as some kind of measuring stick for Yorkshire’s punishment, but that’s mainly because ours was incredibly, ridiculously harsh.

What has gone on at Yorkshire is far, far worse than what went on here, and yet it appears as though they’ll get away with minimal punishment other than sponsors pulling out (no doubt replaced once test cricket is back there) and not being able to play international cricket there during the winter.

In short - FTECB
 
I dont think Yorkshire should be banned from hosting test matches in any scenario

It does highlight what a ridiculous punishment was handed out to Durham though, just makes no sense
 
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