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Methven at the match

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Helvellyn said:
Quite simply one should be judged by their actions and results, and as a director of Sunderland he is presiding over a club that is still in League 1 when it has all the credentials of a Premier League club, years & years now after acquiring influence.

His call centre like soundbites in the ticket office during "Sunderland Till I Die" hold no credence, whatever his remit he has failed catastrophically and as far as I am concerned we have seen all we need to see in terms of whether he is the standard bearer for our club.
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methven is not a director and is not presiding over the club.
scott934 said:
He's not a director. If he's at the games he should only be there as a fan.
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he is there as a shareholder and funder of the club.
 

sir rowell cummins said:
I personally think the damage was done before Moyes. Apart from Allardyces skill in keeping us up the rest was a complete mess - contracts, recruitment, business all dire. Totally inconsistent football strategy having seen off a multitude of managers. Short appointed who he appointed and messed it all up before going on a long holiday then offloading us to some opportunists. A very arrogant man who didn’t deserve the hotel he stole from the club.
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That’s fair enough-in general terms the clubs been poorly run for decades thus the countless relegations and overall abject failure.
When Bob Murray was basically gifted the SOL Monkwearmouth Colliery site by the Tyne and Wear Development Corporation he stated that SAFC would never be relegated again. When we went down with 19 points he said he was embarrassed and that it would never happen again. He was correct-next time we got promoted we went back down AGAIN with 15 points. He deserves credit fir the SOL (although he really wanted SAFC sited next to Nissan with an adjoining retail complex etc) and AOL in general terms but most of his period as chairman was pretty miserable. Even when we went up through the back door in 1990 after Swindon’s financial irregularities, he gave Denis Smith next to nothing to spend and we went straight back down. He failed to support Peter Reid after the first 7th placed finished, poor decisions blighted his reign.
Drumaville meant well but ultimately didn’t have the resources due to the Irish financial crash and Ellis Short was not hands on, didn’t understand football and made poor choices all over the place.
SD and CM added fuel to the already burning fire and now we all hope that KLD and his advisors and choices can take our historic old club back to the Premiership sooner rather than later.
It’s long overdue and a miracle that we are still supported so incredibly well.
 
Sons of The Wear said:
That’s fair enough-in general terms the clubs been poorly run for decades thus the countless relegations and overall abject failure.
When Bob Murray was basically gifted the SOL Monkwearmouth Colliery site by the Tyne and Wear Development Corporation he stated that SAFC would never be relegated again. When we went down with 19 points he said he was embarrassed and that it would never happen again. He was correct-next time we got promoted we went back down AGAIN with 15 points. He deserves credit fir the SOL (although he really wanted SAFC sited next to Nissan with an adjoining retail complex etc) and AOL in general terms but most of his period as chairman was pretty miserable. Even when we went up through the back door in 1990 after Swindon’s financial irregularities, he gave Denis Smith next to nothing to spend and we went straight back down. He failed to support Peter Reid after the first 7th placed finished, poor decisions blighted his reign.
Drumaville meant well but ultimately didn’t have the resources due to the Irish financial crash and Ellis Short was not hands on, didn’t understand football and made poor choices all over the place.
SD and CM added fuel to the already burning fire and now we all hope that KLD and his advisors and choices can take our historic old club back to the Premiership sooner rather than later.
It’s long overdue and a miracle that we are still supported so incredibly well.
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That is as close as it gets, as much as I dislike SD it's true the 3 amigos put in their own money to keep us afloat, how it was all done well that's a different story.
 
Sons of The Wear said:
The thing with CM is that he basically said he was stepping into the background two years ago but is gradually attending more and more matches including representing SAFC in opponents boardrooms.

He is an associate of Sartori who by all accounts was influential in bringing KLD to the club, despite Juan’s lack of time at SAFC whilst becoming heavily involved in Uruguayan politics which has hardly allowed him to start the Latin American flow of talent to Wearside that he mentioned at the start of his involvement with the club, similar to Methven’s statement that he wanted to base Sunderland on the Dortmund model which he has never mentioned or followed up since. Why do people say these things and then do zilch about it? Or do they just hope dense football fans forget about it?

He’s insulted our fan base too much to be forgiven by most but Methven hasn’t even tried to apologise properly to one of the most loyal sets of fans in world football (don’t say that lightly but 30k plus gates in the third tier for the fourth season running is proof of such a statement allied to a fantastic away following too). A little bit of humility towards the northern ignoramuses might just make a few people think that the seeming Old Etonian arrogance has a humble side to it.

Breath being held…….
As a footnote to my post I reckon Moyes and Bain, with Byrne not far behind, are to blame for our current status. Short was a hopeless owner, an absentee landlord who didn’t have his finger on the pulse and employed over paid nonentities on and off the pitch that caused us to end up in the third tier.

SD and CM have much to answer for but the fire was burning badly prior to their arrival.
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Top post , excellently put .


However that badly burning fire , those two just added fuel to it.
 
MADBOB THE MAKEM said:
That is as close as it gets, as much as I dislike SD it's true the 3 amigos put in their own money to keep us afloat, how it was all done well that's a different story.
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No doubt they have put money in I just have an issue with the keep us afloat bit. Their actions pre play offs season one showed their intention to make a quick buck. So I see the money they put in as a business investment and as we can see one they are determined to profit from despite poor performance. Liquidation would have been bad business for them so they weren’t doing it to be thoughtful.
 
scott934 said:
Nee wonder we had to sell our best young uns for coppers and can't open the shop/ticket office despite record L1 attendances if we're relying on him funding the club.
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if we have record attendances with the ticket office closed..that demonstrates it didnt need opening as, despite the bleating on here, its it hurt attendances?
the club shop is supposed to make money, not cost money....its supposed to contribute to the funding of the club..not cost teh club..
safc has reled on someone else funding it for a very long time
sir rowell cummins said:
No doubt they have put money in I just have an issue with the keep us afloat bit. Their actions pre play offs season one showed their intention to make a quick buck. So I see the money they put in as a business investment and as we can see one they are determined to profit from despite poor performance. Liquidation would have been bad business for them so they weren’t doing it to be thoughtful.
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but the money put in by druamville and short as well was seen by them as a business investment....abd KLD...WHO literally studied business at university..abramavhich is not starting to make money from chelsea..he pit a lot in but now its a profit thing for him
on the time time point...your right..dnal had a shorter te time frame than some others..
 
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kildaremackem said:
the club is not owed £20m..because the accounts show donald put £2m in during the last financial year..so that knocks the total down to £18m as at the end of the last financial reporting period.
My proof for the other statement is in the minutes of the recent meeting between the club and the RAWA supporters groupwhere the club rep said that while the full £20m hasnt been paid back-each of the shareholders put a substantial sum" into the club over the past year to cover costs related to the pandemic.
Other threads on this board have shown the losses endured by clubs as large and successful as chelsea during the pandemic period (they made a profit and paid the owner a dividend the prior year), do you think safc would not have lost a fortune during the period if the champions league winners did?
And who do you think covered the losses if not the shareholders-and the minutes show ALL shareholders put cahs in? Unless your saying Steve Davison, an appointee of KLD is a liar, and therefore..KLD is lying?

The evidence of what is happening and what has happened has emerged in the financial statements and companies house filing, here has been oodles of speculation on this board and elseswhere(andmuch of it contributed by me unfortuantely) about the finances..but we no longer need to speculate, as the facts are emergng via the financial statements, something which will only continue as the years pass.
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So SD and CM owe us 18m yet they are putting their own money in to help run the show?

So I could lend 20k off you and give 2k back, which would knock it down to 18k and then give you your own money back as an when you need it or I choose to?
 
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Blyth said:
So SD and CM owe us 18m yet they are putting their own money in to help run the show?

So I could lend 20k off you and give 2k back, which would knock it down to 18k and then give you your own money back as an when you need it or I choose to?
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they reason your analgogy doesnt work is....donald and methven never got the £20m...they never had it...ellis short did...so its not like they took £20m and are putting it back in..its that they are just putting money in..but their original commitment was to put the cash in over time...whcih seems to be whats happening...and the champo is when the cash is going to be needed
 
kildaremackem said:
if we have record attendances with the ticket office closed..that demonstrates it didnt need opening as, despite the bleating on here, its it hurt attendances?
the club shop is supposed to make money, not cost money....its supposed to contribute to the funding of the club..not cost teh club..
safc has reled on someone else funding it for a very long time

but the money put in by druamville and short as well was seen by them as a business investment....abd KLD...WHO literally studied business at university..abramavhich is not starting to make money from chelsea..he pit a lot in but now its a profit thing for him
on the time time point...your right..dnal had a shorter te time frame than some others..
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I’d argue attendances would be higher if you could pay in cash (easier for kids and older folk); pay on the day at the turnstiles (walk ups are a big part of football support); and be able to pay on the day at turnstiles (card or cash).
 
ISOE II said:
I’d argue attendances would be higher if you could pay in cash (easier for kids and older folk); pay on the day at the turnstiles (walk ups are a big part of football support); and be able to pay on the day at turnstiles (card or cash).
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Trillion % this going cashless massive mistake
 
kildaremackem said:
they reason your analgogy doesnt work is....donald and methven never got the £20m...they never had it...ellis short did...so its not like they took £20m and are putting it back in..its that they are just putting money in..but their original commitment was to put the cash in over time...whcih seems to be whats happening...and the champo is when the cash is going to be needed
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Donald & Charlie are full of shit
 
ISOE II said:
I’d argue attendances would be higher if you could pay in cash (easier for kids and older folk); pay on the day at the turnstiles (walk ups are a big part of football support); and be able to pay on the day at turnstiles (card or cash).attendancesare higher now in this league can when all those things were available though..walk ups have not been aig part ofsafc supoport for years because the club sells so many season tickets..the portion of the crowd thats walk up is very small..
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kildaremackem said:
they reason your analgogy doesnt work is....donald and methven never got the £20m...they never had it...ellis short did...so its not like they took £20m and are putting it back in..its that they are just putting money in..but their original commitment was to put the cash in over time...whcih seems to be whats happening...and the champo is when the cash is going to be needed
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Ah so they just lied about it then
 
kildaremackem said:
they reason your analgogy doesnt work is....donald and methven never got the £20m...they never had it...ellis short did...so its not like they took £20m and are putting it back in..its that they are just putting money in..but their original commitment was to put the cash in over time...whcih seems to be whats happening...and the champo is when the cash is going to be needed
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Nope. The £20m went from the club to Madrox. Fact. It's shown in the accounts.
 
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