HarrogateMackem
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Wants them stay on. My standpoint currently is that anyone who wants to replace him needs to say who they'd have instead.
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Joe Root as Captain
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There isn’t anyone.
Doesn’t mean he’s the right person for the job.
He’s had 59 Tests to stamp his authority on the side and failed to do so. He’s just not a leader, his interviews tell me all I need to know.
Doesn’t mean he’s the right person for the job.
He’s had 59 Tests to stamp his authority on the side and failed to do so. He’s just not a leader, his interviews tell me all I need to know.
He’s not the right man for the job. But there is no one else because either there is no guaranteed pick or they’re the wrong person
Stokes is the only possibility. But he has enough on his plate
Stokes is the only possibility. But he has enough on his plate
Realistically there is no alternative, he will have to continue. For WI and our summer at least I think.
A new coach would make more difference at this point in my opinion, a strong, knowledgeable leader with recent playing experience. Ponting would be a fine choice.
A new coach would make more difference at this point in my opinion, a strong, knowledgeable leader with recent playing experience. Ponting would be a fine choice.
Jack Torrance
Striker
It would just be making a change for the sake of it. English cricket has much bigger problems than Roots captaincy.
He will continue in the short term definitely but maybe bring someone into the side who has potential to captain. Vince and Abell captain their counties
He will continue in the short term definitely but maybe bring someone into the side who has potential to captain. Vince and Abell captain their counties
Good.
I'd love to see Stokes do it eventually but given his chequered injury record I'm not sure that it would be the best option.
As for Root, he's the greatest batsman of his generation and I firmly believe the best batsman in the world currently. They may have Labushagne at 1 for now, but I'm certain Root's performances during the adversity he's faced are worth more than Labushagne's. Who would you want more as a captain than a bloke who has scored the runs he has and made the contribution that he has?? Thats before you consider nobody elses position in the side is guaranteed!!
Its a very English thing to want to change the captain when the team fails, in may ways I understand the notion, but normal rules just don't apply here. Root has literally been the only player from the last 12 months who can/should keep their place on performance. Everyone else could and you could argue should be dropped. Everyone else being so utterly woeful isn't on the captain. Nor is the amount of ducks in the calendar year we've had. Another record broken that nobody wants the ownership of. If England can suddenly manage to score 300 runs in an innings on a regular basis and still lose several Test matches THEN we can have the conversation about Root losing the captaincy.
Your post was going so well until that point.
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Bri
Striker
I think Stokes has it in him to be a great Captain, good cricket brain etc. but like many I think he has enough on his plate.
realistically, right at this moment there doesn't seem to be anyone who can replace Root if the base qualification is that they need to be good enough themselves to play Test cricket. Unless .... the selectors go down the Brearley-ite route of picking a captain for his captaining skills and even then I'd struggle to think of someone. errrr. Tom Westley - his Test record is Brearley-like.
No, I'm not serious, but that illustrates that Root should continue. England need better players rather than a new captain and that's a long term fix if it is to be fixed.
Stokes definitely has enough on his plate, and if he was to be given the job, may prove to be a terrific captain, but I’m not totally convinced he’s the leader we need.
He still has immature moments and imo, inspires by example rather than natural leadership, whilst on the field I wonder why, as a senior player, ex-vice captain and with having recent captaincy experience, how he has allowed Root to get so many big calls wrong.
That’s before you even consider our past history of appointing our star all rounders as captain. On balance I think I’m against giving him it, but we’re at the point where I’m almost willing to give anything a go.
I think the cricket brain thing is way overplayed like, test captaincy is as much about having the respect of your team and get them pushing in the same direction
with a better coach, things like selection, which bowlers after lunch, playing a spinner etc, will sort themselves out
If they started scoring runs, everything becomes easier
we saw that under Root, he has won a lot of tests, against some good teams too, and lot of that coincided with us scoring runs, in South Africa etc
he also captained very well when we won 3-0 in Sri Lanka, and when we beat India 4-1 in a tight series
Its not the pressing issue for me
For his own sake I think he should give it up, as he is carrying the can for things out of his control. But the team needs him to carry on really.
with a better coach, things like selection, which bowlers after lunch, playing a spinner etc, will sort themselves out
If they started scoring runs, everything becomes easier
we saw that under Root, he has won a lot of tests, against some good teams too, and lot of that coincided with us scoring runs, in South Africa etc
he also captained very well when we won 3-0 in Sri Lanka, and when we beat India 4-1 in a tight series
Its not the pressing issue for me
For his own sake I think he should give it up, as he is carrying the can for things out of his control. But the team needs him to carry on really.
HarrogateMackem
Striker
wednesday1957
Midfield
Says what he thinks Boycott, but using the word "imagination"..in a Boycott piece??...bet he had to look that up
Its hardly Roots fault half the bloody team can't do their job, catching for instance,Spinners that can't spin the ball
Fair enough, you can take selection out of his hands
isn't Root currently the all time best Captain in terms of results?
So whats gone wrong?
His own game...Well nothing
Is it silverwood?
australia are an extremely good side, especially at home, but this tour has been a car crash, not even competing, bar a couple of sessions out of 3 matches,
3rd "Highest" scorer this year??
EXTRAS!!!...FFS!
smoker
Striker
No.
He has the most wins as captain, but also the most defeats, by virtue of having captained more matches than anyone else bar Cook.
A better measure is win to lose ratio. In this, Root has 1.12. That is middle of the pack. Douglas Jardine has a stonking 9:1w/l ratio. In recent times, Strauss, Vaughan and Brearley are ahead.
I certainly think that is a factor. You would expect your head coach and analysts to provide the captain with the high level match strategy and the captain is the operational manager who implements it. We get a lot of strategic stuff wrong which comes back to Silverwood.
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wednesday1957
Midfield
smoker
Striker
Jardine was a great captain aside from bodyline. Even thinking up such a strategy to curb a rampant Australian batting lineup was pure genius.Ok mate...Cheers
"bodyline" it is then...or "Leg side" theory as jardine would put it?
Aussies used it in 2013/14. NZ use it every time Wagner bowls. It's only bad crack when England use those tactics.
wednesday1957
Midfield
it was the fact that jardine was the first to utilise it to combat bradman, although I think bradman still averaged something bloody ridiculous
These days post Lillee / Thompson and the west indies pace attack...it looks fairly tame tbh
I would honestly love to back to those days, uncovered wickets etc, all adds to test cricket , that honestly seems to be struggling, and i believe Englands obsession with white ball cricket has affected the test side, I much prefer tests...but then again, I preferred Roker to the SOL, Maine rd to the Etihad etc...Old fashioned, but waddya do
Voice of fair play
Striker
Yeah I agree it’s overplayed, If we had a different captain for the last 3 tests don’t think it would have made a scrap of difference.
Silly Point
Striker
Stokes doesn't want it apparently so looks like we're stuck with Root
