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Put a flat earthier into space


Scale isn't an issue to understand until detail of something massive is to be shown which scaling would obliterate.

I'm far from special. I'm as simple as they come and you can take that in any way you feel.

No. A fact is a fact. The issue is in, what can be found to be factual.
Accepting something as factual without proof is what we're dealing with in this debate, which is exactly why this debate rools on, regardless of one side making out it isn't a debate because they are in possession of the facts and I'm not.

The reality is, none of you are in possession of any facts pertaining to what we're debating but your belief is that you are by process of per pressured indoctrinated belief's.

It's not a dig it's what it is.
This basically goes for us all like I said earlier.
I can accept many things and not question them, yet I don't necessarily have to believe them.

Course you are and many things do have evidence to back them up but in the stuff we're arguing there is no proof to any evidence because at best it's circumstantial and at worst it's disinformation with misinformation and mistaken acceptance.

And that goes for every other person because it's not proved either.
You can tell someone how you think Pinocchio works but people will tell you it's just a fictional story. Quantum Pinocchio.

I'll say what I say. You have the ability to block me like everyone else. Make that decision if you want to not have to see what I say.
I put up with global nonsense because I understand how easy it is to indoctrinate the public in almost anything.
That gets taken as some kind of dig but it includes all of us and is pretty plain and clear.

All that goes on with debates is, some people tend to take the high ground and reel off their certificates of education as some kind of massive credence on arguing for the global model and invent a living/working scenario for the opponent that somehow backs up what they say.
I accept this as part and parcel of the argument because this is what happens when peer pressured masses band together.
It's literally the nature of the beast and I honestly wouldn't expect anything to the contrary, such is human nature.


I can respect anyone if they offer their take on stuff but they can quickly lose it by trying to get a point across by using attempted ridicule tactics.
And also, this is the internet. Everyone can become an expert on easily perused answers to questions.
The global model is all on a silver platter for anyone to use to play expert.

So, if people want respect for the stuff they know then offer the reality from their knowledge and not appeals to authority.

I get a lot of the global stuff. I just don't believe it.


Nope. I don't think I have the facts on 99.9% of stuff but some things are in your face.
Should I mention it or will that spoil the bingo marathon?

No. I question and reject anything that does not offer proof.
10 people telling me it's proof or 100 people telling me it's proof is all well and good if they offer that proof.
10 people or 100 people offering me something they've been brought up to believe is a proof whilst offering nothing but back patting......is not proof.

So please don't ask for respect amid attempted ridicule.
Long way of saying that "I'm too far brainwashed now to come back"
 
"I get a lot of the global stuff, I just don't believe it", well then that just shows no matter what you're just going to bury your head in the sand and basically call all evidence as bullshit.
What evidence do you know of that ends up showing a proof of a spinning globe?
Burying a head in the sand might not be just down to me, it may stretch much farther into mainstream ideals due to peer pressure.
Long way of saying that "I'm too far brainwashed now to come back"
You can do something about that but it does take time and you may never fully get away from it. In time you may hit that point where the light goes on.
 
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What evidence do you know of that ends up showing a proof of a spinning globe?
Burying a head in the sand might not be just down to me, it may stretch much farther into mainstream ideals due to peer pressure.

You can do something about that but it does take time and you may never fully get away from it. In time you may hit that point where the light goes on.
Or in some cases the light has gone so dim it may be considered to have gone out altogether.

Ok I admit the light might actually be on and shining bright, but due to secondary reflections and refraction we can't perceive the light being on. One word, wavelength. You know what I'm saying.
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Just leaving this here. For the record, I'm of the opinion it's not a NASA approved documentary.
So people make fake space things therefore all of space is fake. I get that.

But I'm also confused. People make fake snow domes, so if all domes are fake, where do we really live?
 
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Talk about condescending...
The perceived privilege doesn't always just go one way, it just appears to for those who believe they have it.
Or in some cases the light has gone so dim it may be considered to have gone out altogether.
Aye it can easily be perceived that way, especially for those who cannot see very well.
Ok I admit the light might actually be on and shining bright, but due to secondary reflections and refraction we can't perceive the light being on. One word, wavelength. You know what I'm saying.
Aye.
So people make fake space things therefore all of space is fake. I get that.
Aye.
But I'm also confused. People make fake snow domes, so if all domes are fake, where do we really live?
Good question.
 
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What evidence do you know of that ends up showing a proof of a spinning globe?
Burying a head in the sand might not be just down to me, it may stretch much farther into mainstream ideals due to peer pressure.

You can do something about that but it does take time and you may never fully get away from it. In time you may hit that point where the light goes on.

I think you know you're completely wrong. You've fell for their lies. It made sense to you, because you were confused and didn't understand some things and this simple explanation from the flat earthers was easier. Also gave you a sense of one upmanship on the sheep who follow the global narrative. A confidence boost. A misplaced sense of superiority.



But as demonstrated throughout this thread, you just reject and deny everything, "100% not a globe... water level... show me proof...".
You'd feel pretty cheated and embarrassed at being duped, which is narural. So now you have become even more entrenched in your views. Because you've dug yourself a hole. Deep down you probably know you're wrong but can't admit being lied to so just carry on with it. Like a bloke who knows his wife is promiscuous. Easier to be a cuckold than have it out and start again. It looks embarrassing to admit your wife was looking elsewhere.

Show me proof. Water level. Show me proof. Ad infitum.

You're at the point now where you're claiming flat earthers are part of a conspiracy. You've invented pressure waves that cause tides, but they aren't picked up by barometers which measure pressure at sea. Just pulled that one out of your arse when asked to explain tides. There's always something else bolted on to your fantasy cell world to counter another proof offered.

Water level. Water level. Do your research. Star wars. Religion. Schooled. Etc
 
Funnily enough, I recently read a forum thread with over 6000 posts in it that has dozens upon dozens of proofs of a spinning globe.

You should read it, it's mindblowing: All the proof anyone UNBIASED with an OPEN MIND could ever need that the Earth is a globe
It is the level of denial and replacement through that threat that I struggle to get my head around.

For a number of weeks I went on about how as you travel further south polaris appears lower in the sky, by a predictable angle based on the size of a global earth. I even provided a working computer model for how this fits a globe, but once that was put forward it was just a straight "no". There in front of his face, but complete and utter denial. When asked how this could possible work on a dome cell, refraction was uttered as a general explanation for all then swiftly moved on.

On my side:
Have I seen this myself? Yes
Have I made accurate measurements myself? Yes
Have I got an explanation? Yes
Have I got maths to back it up? Yes
Have I got a computer or mechanical model to demonstrate this? Yes

On his side:
Has he seen this himself? No
Has he made accurate measurements of this himself? No
Has he got an explanation? Not really, just a single word with no details for how that would actually work
Has he got maths to back it up? No
Has he got a computer or mechanical model to demonstrate this? No

In my mind, clear proof vs nowt at all. In his mind, NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER, 100% NOT A GLOBE vs a robust musing that can pretty much be considered fact to anyone not brainwashed.

It is amazing how closed minded the conspiracy theorists get. Once they are in that hole, dig dig dig. How can anyone that interested not step back and look at the merits of each side. How could it work or what would be seen if the other model was true? I know looking at the fact the sun is seen directly overhead (no shadow) in certain parts of the world at predictable times, I made a computer model of how light reflects of a concave curve/dome in order to try to explain this. Naturally it failed, but at least I tried to step over to the mental side, just to see.
 
It is the level of denial and replacement through that threat that I struggle to get my head around.

For a number of weeks I went on about how as you travel further south polaris appears lower in the sky, by a predictable angle based on the size of a global earth. I even provided a working computer model for how this fits a globe, but once that was put forward it was just a straight "no". There in front of his face, but complete and utter denial. When asked how this could possible work on a dome cell, refraction was uttered as a general explanation for all then swiftly moved on.

On my side:
Have I seen this myself? Yes
Have I made accurate measurements myself? Yes
Have I got an explanation? Yes
Have I got maths to back it up? Yes
Have I got a computer or mechanical model to demonstrate this? Yes

On his side:
Has he seen this himself? No
Has he made accurate measurements of this himself? No
Has he got an explanation? Not really, just a single word with no details for how that would actually work
Has he got maths to back it up? No
Has he got a computer or mechanical model to demonstrate this? No

In my mind, clear proof vs nowt at all. In his mind, NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER, 100% NOT A GLOBE vs a robust musing that can pretty much be considered fact to anyone not brainwashed.

It is amazing how closed minded the conspiracy theorists get. Once they are in that hole, dig dig dig. How can anyone that interested not step back and look at the merits of each side. How could it work or what would be seen if the other model was true? I know looking at the fact the sun is seen directly overhead (no shadow) in certain parts of the world at predictable times, I made a computer model of how light reflects of a concave curve/dome in order to try to explain this. Naturally it failed, but at least I tried to step over to the mental side, just to see.
Water level.
 
Funnily enough, I recently read a forum thread with over 6000 posts in it that has dozens upon dozens of proofs of a spinning globe.

You should read it, it's mindblowing: All the proof anyone UNBIASED with an OPEN MIND could ever need that the Earth is a globe
I read a very similar one to that which had absolutely no proof of a spinning globe but plenty of massive appeals to authority..
I think you know you're completely wrong.
You've fell for their lies. It made sense to you, because you were confused and didn't understand some things and this simple explanation from the flat earthers was easier. Also gave you a sense of one upmanship on the sheep who follow the global narrative. A confidence boost. A misplaced sense of superiority.
I'm pretty sure, beyond more than reasonable doubt that the Earth is absolutely not a spinning globe in a space vacuum, whizzing around a huge 2 million mile plus circumference of a ball of fire.
But as demonstrated throughout this thread, you just reject and deny everything, "100% not a globe... water level... show me proof...".
Yep, because what I say I have proof of and weirdly, so do you. You just refuse to accept it.
You'd feel pretty cheated and embarrassed at being duped, which is narural.
I actually think this about people like yourself.
I've already been through that bit where I did actually feel a bit embarrassed to think I bought into this nonsensical global stuff until I reasoned with myself that it was massive indoctrination as part of growing up.
So now you have become even more entrenched in your views.
Yep, by the day my views become stronger.
Because you've dug yourself a hole. Deep down you probably know you're wrong but can't admit being lied to so just carry on with it.

I have dug a hole, you're right. The beauty about my hole dig is, I can see light at the end of it. I've tunneled through the utter bull that was fed to me.
Like a bloke who knows his wife is promiscuous. Easier to be a cuckold than have it out and start again. It looks embarrassing to admit your wife was looking elsewhere.
I'm in a basement as a loner, remember.
Show me proof. Water level. Show me proof. Ad infitum.
Yep, it works every time because it's the truth.
You're at the point now where you're claiming flat earthers are part of a conspiracy.
Nope. They're your words, not mine.
You've invented pressure waves that cause tides, but they aren't picked up by barometers which measure pressure at sea.
They will be.
One thing that's not picked up and that's some kind of gravity pull.
Just pulled that one out of your arse when asked to explain tides.
Nope. Experiments so simple that give rise to it.
There's always something else bolted on to your fantasy cell world to counter another proof offered.
Yep, it's called my own hypothesis of which people like yourself are not privy to but think you are and you argue against it because it does not fit your global model that you also have no clue about other than to massively appeal to authority on the set up of it and claim you physically know.
Water level. Water level. Do your research. Star wars. Religion. Schooled. Etc
Yep, do some experiments for you. For you. Not for me. For you.
That's a mighty big sun reflection you got there.
Try something like this as an analogy.

Just replace the radar set up with a sun set up.
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I read a very similar one to that which had absolutely no proof of a spinning globe but plenty of massive appeals to authority..

I'm pretty sure, beyond more than reasonable doubt that the Earth is absolutely not a spinning globe in a space vacuum, whizzing around a huge 2 million mile plus circumference of a ball of fire.

Yep, because what I say I have proof of and weirdly, so do you. You just refuse to accept it.

I actually think this about people like yourself.
I've already been through that bit where I did actually feel a bit embarrassed to think I bought into this nonsensical global stuff until I reasoned with myself that it was massive indoctrination as part of growing up.

Yep, by the day my views become stronger.


I have dug a hole, you're right. The beauty about my hole dig is, I can see light at the end of it. I've tunneled through the utter bull that was fed to me.

I'm in a basement as a loner, remember.

Yep, it works every time because it's the truth.

Nope. They're your words, not mine.

They will be.
One thing that's not picked up and that's some kind of gravity pull.

Nope. Experiments so simple that give rise to it.

Yep, it's called my own hypothesis of which people like yourself are not privy to but think you are and you argue against it because it does not fit your global model that you also have no clue about other than to massively appeal to authority on the set up of it and claim you physically know.

Yep, do some experiments for you. For you. Not for me. For you.

Show me proof.
 
Show me proof.
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Water Level

Anyone can confirm it.

I know many people that's proven water to be level and flat

Go and do it yourself. Water level.
Go and try it anywhere you like.
Use whatever you like as a container and even unbalance it and watch teh water level up.
You know this but you choose to believe it conforms to a globe because that's the narrative set out in mainstream. Simple as that really.

Do it for you not for anyone else. You can look for whatever you want. You do not need me to hold your hand.

You know it is and so does everyone else on here....etc.
The major issue is in going with the water curves mindset because you're basically told to do so.

You've basically been told to abandon your own logical senses in favour of utter gunk.
I was in exactly that same set up a few decades ago.

You'll need to do that yourself if you really want to know.

Personally you can prove it to yourself but I have a feeling that seems to be a no option for you, so basically just stick to your globe and curved water. It's easier.

No need. (to share my experiments) You can prove this to yourself.
You can prove a lot of stuff to yourself that goes against the global Earth/space shenanigans but it is all down to you. I can't help. It has to be you.

A simple spirit level will suffice in various experiments to do with water.
Plumb bobs hanging over water from either end of a levelled T piece.
All kinds of simple stuff.

A level say on a floating flat foundation is all you need.
But, like I said, there's loads of experiments that prove flatness of water and none that prove water curves inside the centre of a container and nor does it conform to the exterior of a ball.

I suggest you start to do your own experiments and figure out stuff for yourself.
 
Expect a reply that includes one or more of the following:


Water Level

Anyone can confirm it.

I know many people that's proven water to be level and flat

Go and do it yourself. Water level.
Go and try it anywhere you like.
Use whatever you like as a container and even unbalance it and watch teh water level up.
You know this but you choose to believe it conforms to a globe because that's the narrative set out in mainstream. Simple as that really.

Do it for you not for anyone else. You can look for whatever you want. You do not need me to hold your hand.

You know it is and so does everyone else on here....etc.
The major issue is in going with the water curves mindset because you're basically told to do so.

You've basically been told to abandon your own logical senses in favour of utter gunk.
I was in exactly that same set up a few decades ago.

You'll need to do that yourself if you really want to know.

Personally you can prove it to yourself but I have a feeling that seems to be a no option for you, so basically just stick to your globe and curved water. It's easier.

No need. (to share my experiments) You can prove this to yourself.
You can prove a lot of stuff to yourself that goes against the global Earth/space shenanigans but it is all down to you. I can't help. It has to be you.

A simple spirit level will suffice in various experiments to do with water.
Plumb bobs hanging over water from either end of a levelled T piece.
All kinds of simple stuff.

A level say on a floating flat foundation is all you need.
But, like I said, there's loads of experiments that prove flatness of water and none that prove water curves inside the centre of a container and nor does it conform to the exterior of a ball.

I suggest you start to do your own experiments and figure out stuff for yourself.
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