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Put a flat earthier into space

Mistaken or maybe fabricating. One thing for sure. They're not arriving at the centre of Earth,.

It depends on how they navigate and where their navigation ceases and how they know they are at a certain point of proof.
Do you know or are you simply parroting?

Yep, I agree with that.


A roller coaster is not a circumference ride.
A waltzer is a bumpy one and you feel that force massively even though the plates below are moving slowly.


The force is exactly what I'm talking about. We don't feel it because Earth is not spinning.

No, it's not. Not in the case of rotation.
A straight line and moving in a sealed container/vehicle will show little pressure to feel t he motion. But we aren't talking about straight lines nor acceleration or slowing down.

I don;t see anyone telling me where it comes from.

1000 mph is exactly that or why use it?
I hope you try to use RELATIVE.
So polar explorers are either idiots who can't navigate or liars. Given that they can successfully navigate everywhere else it must mean they join the long list of people in on the conspiracy. Generally explorers are people who like to push boundaries, do things that most others can't and want to go somewhere where nobody else has gone. But all of them came up against an inhospitable zone, backed off and said "best not mention that". Ok, best leave that one to rest and put them in the liar camp.

So speed is distance over time. So looking at the rotation of the earth, do you agree that the time of the global model for one rotation is 24 hours?
 

Anything new since the last time I read this thread 5 weeks ago? It has to be the most pointless discussion ever on this forum. He'll never change his mind whatever is put forward. It's all a conspiracy and everybody is lying. Including captain Kirk. That's a lot of liars and strangely not one of these liars has come clean and told the truth. You'd think at least one of them would have blabbed by now. I'm sure there's a reason for that.
Its worth catching up on five weeks worth. Seriously. Some absolutely brilliant stuff.
 
He won't share any of his experiments, yesterday he claimed he had done some regarding propulsion in very low pressure, he won't let us see them though, can't even draw a basic section of his world man.
He erm, lets say strongly hinted a while back that he had tried burning rocket fuel in a near vacuum. He did flounder and back away from that when pressed for details. I think looking at a bath and saying mmmm flat, is the best he has done.
 
Its worth catching up on five weeks worth. Seriously. Some absolutely brilliant stuff.
yeah he keeps taking it to the next level. the amount of stuff he doesn't believe knows no bounds.
He erm, lets say strongly hinted a while back that he had tried burning rocket fuel in a near vacuum. He did flounder and back away from that when pressed for details. I think looking at a bath and saying mmmm flat, is the best he has done.
He's so paranoid about nearly everyone on the planet being liars or dumb that it surprises me how be believes flat earth believers so readily.
 
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No.
The atmosphere aids in crushing the balloon back into its original shape once the nozzle is opened.
And this exiting air from the nozzle creates a higher push against the atmosphere and hits that atmospheric barrier creating the push required for the balloon to move in the opposite direction.
If there was no external atmospheric barrier there would be no propulsion.
Nothing to do with atmosphere crushing it. You can stretch a balloon and it snaps back into its original shape. That's due to the tension in the material that makes the balloon. Same as the material in an elastic band, it's stretchy and flexible but returns to its original shape. Nothing to do with atmosphere crushing it, its the surface tension of material it is made from contracting back to its original shape which squeezes out the air.

I can crumple a balloon up into a much tinier shape than it comes out the packet but the atmosphere doesn't keep it crushed into that shape once i remove it from my grasp. That's the material returning to its original shape, not just enough air inflating it tiniest amount to look like it originally did
 
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OK on your map, you set off from Greenland heading north/centre, your compass is pointing north.
You keep going and going and going..... across a "central" land mass and you keep going a bit more and you end up in Northern Russia, you can do this from varying opposing land masses.
Also as you cross and keep moving forwards you will find as you cross the central land mass/pole your compass will then start pointing South........
This is pretty simple to understand for most people and you yourself said compasses point north towards the centre, south to the outer rim, east/west in a circle around the lemon squeezer so how do you explain this?
As for planes.......

Are you telling me this based on what you see on a map or what you actually know to be the truth?
I think you need to ask yourself a few of these questions fella.

What about your wife being a spy/murderer/prostitute, you admit there is a possibility?
Yes. What about you?
So polar explorers are either idiots who can't navigate or liars. Given that they can successfully navigate everywhere else it must mean they join the long list of people in on the conspiracy. Generally explorers are people who like to push boundaries, do things that most others can't and want to go somewhere where nobody else has gone. But all of them came up against an inhospitable zone, backed off and said "best not mention that". Ok, best leave that one to rest and put them in the liar camp.

So speed is distance over time. So looking at the rotation of the earth, do you agree that the time of the global model for one rotation is 24 hours?
So we're told.
 
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Are you telling me this based on what you see on a map or what you actually know to be the truth?

Yes. What about you?

So we're told.
That link is interesting. I thought how can it be quicker to go over the north pole. Seeing a representation of the planet from above the north pole makes you realise it can be quicker than following lines of latitude.
 
Nothing to do with atmosphere crushing it. You can stretch a balloon and it snaps back into its original shape.
That's due to the tension in the material that makes the balloon. Same as the material in an elastic band, it's stretchy and flexible but returns to its original shape. Nothing to do with atmosphere crushing it, its the surface tension of material it is made from contracting back to its original shape which squeezes out the air.

Let's take away the atmosphere from those stretchy materials and see what would happen.
Also you only create the stretch by adding energy and in terms of a balloon it's energy via pushing air into it to stretch that skin. The reason why the skin stretches is due to compressing the air into it and that air pushed into it has to come from outside of it to push back against the external atmosphere which also pushes right back onto the balloon.
I can crumple a balloon up into a much tinier shape than it comes out the packet but the atmosphere doesn't keep it crushed into that shape once i remove it from my grasp. That's the material returning to its original shape, not just enough air inflating it tiniest amount to look like it originally did
Correct because the structure has its own dense mass and volume and only extra energy/force will alter that by pushing out the atmosphere within that structure until you release that energy and allow that atmosphere to regain its place within that structure.
A circumference of 24,900 miles roughly, spinning at just over 1000mph, I wonder how long that will take to complete a rotation. Then look at how long an hour hand on a clock would take to complete a rotation at half speed.

Think on that.
I'll try again.
If someone said to me to drive around a big circle even 100,000 miles around and asked me how long it would take me to drive the full circumference, I could say, it'll take me 100 hours if I drive at 1000 mph.
One revolution is neither here nor there where speed is concerned.
@Nukehasslefan - explain this shit if you don't mind. Who are these people 'at the top', 'who control us'. In your own words.......
Who do you think controls us?
 
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Are you telling me this based on what you see on a map or what you actually know to be the truth?

Yes. What about you?

So we're told.
Ok so 24 hours for a rotation (we call this a 'day'). Do you accept that the given diameter of the earth is 7917.5 miles or have a circumference of 24,873.6 miles at the equator?
 
How do you know this?

Because I'm not a scientifically-illiterate flat-earth-brainwashed closed-minded smooth-brained lying moron with an overdeveloped sense of my own intelligence and knowledge.

Ahhhh, I see.
A reliance on stories....but by who?

Sir Isaac Tolkein.

Aye on a fairground ride or the roundabout, I agree.
But they also stay winging outwards at any given rate, whether its slight at a few mph or near horizontal at a higher mph or revolution.
The point is they still swing out and you feel it.
Of course you can argue about it making one revolution over 24 hours but it's simply not a match up.

It absolutely is a match up. The force that produces the swinging of the chairs is based on ANGULAR velocity, which is dependent on the RADIUS of the motion. If the fairground ride was going 1000 mph then I'd agree with you, you'd feel it because of the tiny radius - it would mean the angular velocity would be enormous - you'd be doing something like 150 revolutions per second to maintain that forward speed. However, the greater the radius, the lower the angular velocity produced by the same forward speed (which of course is the case because the "chairs" would have to cover a greater distance with the same forward speed), and therefore the lower the outward force created by that angular velocity.


the way to match it up is to say the fairground ride is 24,000 miles in circumference and everyone who gets on each swing will be going at 1000 mph and will take 24 hours to get back to their starting position.

We're all sitting on that ride right now. It's called The Earth.

The point being, it would still be 1000 mph and you would certainly feel it.

No, you wouldn't. We don't.

So this supposed slow as a clock speed is just a simple sidestep con job to argue for why we don;t feel the rotation

No conning required, it is reality and is observed every day by ourselves and billions of others.

when the reality is, the Earth does not rotate.

It absolutely does.

A vacuum would be nothing. Nothing could exist in a vacuum.

Sigh.

But...as you say....if we are going down the extreme low pressure route and classing that as the vacuum then space has to be extreme low pressure meaning it has to be a medium throughout, meaning all matter within it, is attached.

attached to what?

Which means there's no floating about like we're told.

Prove your working here. That makes no sense.

Which means there's no constant velocity. It basically cannot exist.

Prove your working here. That makes no sense.

It means nothing can exist within it like we're told.

Prove your working here. That makes no sense.

If the argument goes back to space being a true vacuum or something like it with bits of scattered particles just milling about up there, then it becomes even more clownish............but..........this is the stuff we were all brought up on. Like Santa and the toothfairy....etc....etc.

This bit is just gibberish.

There's one simple law and it's the third.
The second simply adds on to the third and basically says the same thing.

I'd like to see you prove how the second says the same thing as the third. How mass-acceleration equivalency is a direct result of equal and opposite reactions.

The first is impossible.

STRAP YOURSELVES IN, BOYS. WE'RE ABOUT TO LEARN WHY NEWTON'S FIRST LAW IS IMPOSSIBLE.

Come one then, explain this one.

How is it impossible for an object to sit still until you move it?

This will be a game changer in all of our lives.

When I put an ornament on my fireplace, never again will I be able to assume it will be there when I return later.

When a football match is about to kick off and they place the ball on the centre spot, never again can we assume the ball will stay there until someone kicks it.

When we go to bed at night, who knows where we'll end up because it would be impossible that we'd wake up in our bedrooms in the morning.

This is going to change life as we know it for everyone in the world.

Come on then, explain how Newton's first LAW of motion is impossible.

No.
The atmosphere aids in crushing the balloon back into its original shape once the nozzle is opened.
And this exiting air from the nozzle creates a higher push against the atmosphere
No it doesn't.

and hits that atmospheric barrier

there is no such thing as an "atmospheric barrier"

creating the push required for the balloon to move in the opposite direction.

wrong
If there was no external atmospheric barrier there would be no propulsion.

wrong. there is no such thing as an atmospheric barrier and yet we have propulsion.
The supposed vacuum offers next to zero resistance to action going by what we're told.
Any expelled gases would simply be expanded into it and hit no barrier to propel the craft in the opposite direction.

Wrong, as explained many times in previous posts. Newton's third law. The one you're so fond of.

It's absolutely massively relevant. No medium and no travel. No force and resistance.

Wrong four times in thirteen words, that's quite impressive. And also none of that is even a counter to the point I made, which is that the medium is irrelevant to the DIRECTION of travel.


Yep

The lower the external pressure the more expanded the balloon would become if the nozzle was shut.

Ayy, he got one right. Even a stopped clock is capable of watching a youtube video twice a day.

If the nozzle was opened in extreme low pressure the air inside would be lost....in short order.... to that low pressure

Exactly, and this rapid expulsion of the air inside would cause a huge amount of acceleration of the balloon/space vehicle.


and would create very little advancement in the opposite direction.

Ahh, and you were doing so well.

Absolutely not. 100% not.
That's a fiction told to people who will simply believe it for no other reason than they believe space is a reality of a vacuum...etc.

You're a fiction told to us by the creators of this forum as an anti-Newcastle-United propaganda machine.

There's no way that anybody in real life is this thick, this arrogant and self-assured, this much of a liar. Even up there in the land of the gravy stains.
 
Anything new since the last time I read this thread 5 weeks ago? It has to be the most pointless discussion ever on this forum. He'll never change his mind whatever is put forward. It's all a conspiracy and everybody is lying. Including captain Kirk. That's a lot of liars and strangely not one of these liars has come clean and told the truth. You'd think at least one of them would have blabbed by now. I'm sure there's a reason for that.

Oh yes.

Newton's first law is impossible.
Newton's second law is a derivative of Newton's third law.
Newton's third law only applies in air, not in a vacuum.
A compass will point to whichever direction you set it to.

And were you here for the glorious assertion that "not all right-angles are equal"?
Only if you're using it against stored energy and not propulsive energy.

What is this new gibberish? :lol:


That video is nonsense.

In the word of the great philosopher Mike Muir, "Just 'cause you don't understand what's going on, don't mean it don't make no sense, and just 'cause you don't like it, don't mean it ain't no good".

The lowest possible pressure medium would be the inability for atmospheric gases to expand into each other with enough friction to force out any more into the external atmosphere via a strong pump pushing against that external atmosphere.
A super strong container would be required for starters and a super strong pump.

Rubbish.

But regardless of that, what is left offers very very little medium in order for anything to be propelled under it's own energy.
It would offer a low resistance to the drop of an object compared to external atmospheric resistance to the same object.

More rubbish.

Rockets are simple.

Not really. Hence why "rocket science" is used as a benchmark for things that are particularly complex.

High pressure push from the back end and a reactionary resistance of atmosphere in order for the rocket to be pushed into the sky until it arcs back to Earth or gives up its fuel before it makes a complete arc and then tumbles back to Earth.

Rubbish.

The air inside the balloon against a lower pressure would disintegrate the balloon skin if that balloon was placed in a big enough container for it to keep expanding.

How does air disintegrate a balloon skin? Does air become acidic when the container it is in is placed in a low pressure environment?

Tell me how the propellant pushed against the aircraft.

Like dynamite glued to the side of a box.

Massively against where on that aircraft?

Its armpits.

By all means keep that opinion.

I will until you prove me wrong by explaining literally anything in a scientific manner instead of just parroting the gibberish you've been schooled by the flat earth society.

Acting against the space craft as in, how?

As in, like the way denpressure acts between layers of pressure zones in the air to give the illusion of gravity.

The medium in action.

Newton in action. The medium is irrelevant to a LAW of motion, it's just another variable to be taken into account in the equations used to describe that motion.

Now try this same thing in the space they tell us about and let's see how you answer it by using what you've just said.

I have. It works just as described.

If this was in space as we're told space is and you had your box and dynamite then your first issue would be in detonating it. Your second issue would be containing the make up of that dynamite. And thirdly there is no medium for it to create any blast wave.
So no, it wouldn't be working....at all.

You're wrong. Again and again and again and again and again in the space of a few sentences.

Let's say we put the dynamite inside a room full of oxygen on a space station in space. Are you saying that the bits of space station wouldn't be scattered far and wide after the explosion because a vacuum wouldn't allow it?

I think you're confusing "vacuum" with "solid concrete". An easy mistake to make, seeing as they are both... things.

It would not move because there would be no detonation.

I'm talking about a box and dynamite in air this time, not in a vacuum. The dynamite is glued to the side of the box. There is no air in between the dynamite and the box because it is glued on really tightly, but this is all happening on earth in an open space at regular pressure with no fiddling of anything - just a box in a field with some dynamite glued onto it. Are you saying that because there's no air in between the dynamite and the box, that the box wouldn't move when the dynamite detonates?

But...back to the if mode. IF it could detonate and the medium was of extreme low pressure then the box would act as a medium in itself. It would be part of the dynamite set up. An extra skin that would create a barrier to the detonation and so, would move a little within the extreme low pressure but so little as to be called a dud.

Very very wrong, but also not what I was talking about anyway.

And you're very welcome to whatever opinion you choose about me.

Thanks, I will.

You keep believing that. It may give you a sense of gain.

It's obvious to everyone reading the thread except you. You've made an even bigger fool of yourself than usual, and that takes some doing given the absolute utter drivel you usually spout.
Why do people claim they've landed on the moon?

Because they have.

Why do Anglers say it was this>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>big?

Maybe it was.

Why do people tell lies?
Why do people fantasize?
Why do people believe lies?

You're the expert, why don't you tell us why you tell lies, fantasize and believe the lies you've been schooled by the flat earth society?

Why do people claim to have descended 7 miles down into ocean?

Because they have.

And so on

And so on.

Let's deal with 1000 mph spinning on a globe as we're told.

Ooh, let's.

1000 mph is 1000 mph regardless of size.

Ah yes, but also, a right-angle is a right-angle regardless of size.

I don't see anything destroyed other than the spinning global Earth and all of the utter nonsense that goes with it.

That's because you're closed-minded, believing only the stories told to you by the flat earth society. The brainwashing. You should try casting off the shackles of your flat earth schooling and thinking for yourself instead.

It is man made.
Time has no relevance other than to man made time pieces and the order in which we follow them.
Take away time and dates and we simply live in the moment, not the past and not the present. The now.
No yesterday, no tomorrow, just the NOW.

All right Plato, sounds like you've had enough.

I don't see anything flying over so called poles.

I don't see anything existing between your ears.
And the point you're missing is 1000 mph.

No, we accept 1000 mph. The point YOU'RE missing is 40,000km.
 
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Who do you think controls us?
Since you're not for turning in your belief that there is no spinning globe, it would be interesting to know how you think this is being perpetuated as time goes on.

For the record, I don't think anyone controls us although it would be silly to argue that there aren't people and organisations who have influence over our lives.

Obviously, to my eyes, we have progressed as a species based on our increased knowledge about how things work. I know you consider that we just get parroted information but, nevertheless, it must have some worth otherwise we'd remain fairly static.

Where do you think the parroted information begins and ends? Is it purely information about whatever it is we walk upon? Are there things that someone like me would consider a great advance but that I perhaps don't fully understand that are actually just 'stories' from some controlling force? I'm genuinely fascinated to know how you organise your beliefs in your own mind in relation to the wider world.
 
Expansion into extreme low pressure creating next to zero propulsion.

Ah yes, Newton's third law: "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, except you know, when it doesn't."

As I pointed out, you feel the force when you're rotating and especially at 1000 mph, but even 1 mph would be felt.

wrong

chelt_mackem said:
Maybe if you had offered some proof, or even just some evidence that points towards that, but you have offered NOTHING!
Nukehasslefan said:
And you have offered NOTHING for proof of a spinning globe.

lies

chelt_mackem said:
However the simple experiment I mentioned that shows the counter rotation of the stars in the southern hemisphere kills the flat Earth stone dead.
Nukehasslefan said:
It does nothing of the sort.

wrong

I have no issue with scientific principles.

yes you do

It's the one's that aren't is what I have an issue with.

It's the ones that aren't that WE have an issue with. The drivel you're spouting.

I stand by all that.

Like those. Great example of "ones that aren't" that we all have an issue with.

That depends on what the underlying science is.

The correct answer was "yes". There's no shame in admitting you don't know something. None of us know anything until the moment we do.
 
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