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Racism at Yorkshire CCC

The 18 counties are meeting today to discuss a plan to improve equality and diversity in the professional game. So at least they are realising there is huge problem.
This is what needs to happen now. Many people, including Rafiq himself, have proven to be racist. They can be punished appropriately as and when. It's been done and nothing can change that. The pressing issue is now how quickly reform in the game can start. This is where efforts need to go.
 

Black facing years ago doesnt really strike me as a major sin and overt example of racism and prejudice of the black community, but I do accept it’s become something polarising that now seems to cause great offence in some quarters. With white people especially getting triggered on behalf of black people.

That said. Hales, the man is an absolute knacker. Has various previous for all manners of antics thats before we even get to racism so really, nowt shocks me with him.

This didn't happen in the 80s like. if you didn't know in 2009 that it was offensive then you're probably still a racist now, imo. He's an absolute melt
 
The two things should not be conflated into one. Both are abhorrent and *shouldn't be tolerated by anyone and should be called out and shamed for such behaviour. This applies equally to Balance, Vaughan, Rafiq, Hales et al and anyone else who thought it acceptable to make racist comments no matter what the context.

The one overriding theme from all of this it seems is that they are just not very nice people and the more previous conduct being exposed just highlights this further.

*Edited from should to shouldn't
 
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I personally try to avoid most of these threads as as soon as you put forward an alternative opinion you are immediately labelled racist . I had to come on now though to point out the whole hypocrisy of the situation . Do I think the lad should be punished for a joke which would have been main stream comedy ten years ago , off course not . However he has ruined a lot of reputations over the past week whether they deserved it or not and now we find out he is basically the same as the people he has called out .
I'm not sure id be saying two or three messages on Facebook is the same as years of sustained bullying and racism like.

Both wrong mind, but let's not ignore institutional racism that exist in these places.
 
And this is what is now required. Rafiq has highlighted a huge, huge issue within the game and now hopefully we will see changes being made to prevent that from happening in future.

My personal opinion is that Rafiq cannot be involved due to what was revealed yesterday. But in a way his work is done anyway, he’s highlighted a huge problem and now hopefully the reforms that will be made can make it safer for fellow players in future
Totally agree Rafiq if you like has done his job now it's time for cricket to start to make changes.
 
I'm not sure id be saying two or three messages on Facebook is the same as years of sustained bullying and racism like.

Both wrong mind, but let's not ignore institutional racism that exist in these places.

it's quite crazy to me that because someone who has been racially abused (alot) made a racist comment it means racism isn't a problem and we can go back to ignoring it, in the eyes of many.
 
Bullshit.

Nobody, not one single person, is giving Rafiq a pass on his tweet. Can you not read?

But if you think that a tweet from a teenager is equivalent to a professional sports club (and indeed the governing body of one of our national sports) tolerating sustained racial abuse, and once exposed attempting to cover it up. Then frankly, you're a cretin.
Rafiq was racist indirectly, its wrong and should know better but is a 19 year old talking to a friend and unfortunately most people will have stereotyped along racist tropes throughout their youth. Yorkshires racism on the other hand was direct and sustained over a period of time in front of Rafiq and other players of ethnic origin. That's the difference. Both are wrong and should be called out, but one was meant to deliberately target individuals with disparaging comments and actions, it also extends further than just Rafiq receiving this treatment. It will be a disgrace if people shift focus to a couple of messages from a teen, compared to institutionalised racism that created a hostile atmosphere for the BAME community at Yorkshire. It's whataboutism being used as a defence for Yorkshires ill-discipline.
 
it's quite crazy to me that because someone who has been racially abused (alot) made a racist comment it means racism isn't a problem and we can go back to ignoring it, in the eyes of many.
I don’t think anyone really believes that, they’re just delighted they can point out hypocrisy. As if that’s the most important thing.

it blows my mind
 
This is what needs to happen now. Many people, including Rafiq himself, have proven to be racist. They can be punished appropriately as and when. It's been done and nothing can change that. The pressing issue is now how quickly reform in the game can start. This is where efforts need to go.
I don’t think a couple of racist tweets from Oli Robinson or Rafiq a decade ago proves that the
The two things should not be conflated into one. Both are abhorrent and *shouldn't be tolerated by anyone and should be called out and shamed for such behaviour. This applies equally to Balance, Vaughan, Rafiq, Hales et al and anyone else who thought it acceptable to make racist comments no matter what the context.

The one overriding theme from all of this it seems is that they are just not very nice people and the more previous conduct being exposed just highlights this further.

*Edited from should to shouldn't
Do you think so? I have been in here almost since this message board began and I haven’t always covered myself in glory particularly 15 years ago with unpleasant comments towards others. Most people on this thread will have a less than perfect past. I would like to think I have matured and learned as I have got older. Similarly are Rafiq, Oli Robinson abhorrent people now for a couple of racist messages they sent a decade ago as teenagers? It all depends on whether they have learned and matured in my opinion.
 
I don’t think anyone really believes that, they’re just delighted they can point out hypocrisy. As if that’s the most important thing.

it blows my mind

maybe i should have said 'it mean's being a racist isn't a problem'

maybe you have more faith in society than i do.

i'd like to think it's showed the people in the middle ground that there is still far more of a problem still than they thought existed
 
it's quite crazy to me that because someone who has been racially abused (alot) made a racist comment it means racism isn't a problem and we can go back to ignoring it, in the eyes of many.
It's the tactic I'm afraid, we saw it with George Floyd and BLM.

You can't really argue against racism, but you can try to discredit the message. So if the person highlighting the issue isn't absolutely angelic, you can pick something out and justify racism it in the minds of the morons. And working on the principle that human beings aren't perfect and make mistakes, you can pretty much make your case for your audience.

As I said earlier when the tweet became public, the thread took a depressing but predictable turn.
 
it's quite crazy to me that because someone who has been racially abused (alot) made a racist comment it means racism isn't a problem and we can go back to ignoring it, in the eyes of many.
I haven’t seen one poster suggest that we ignore racism on the back of these new allegations. What gets people’s back up however , is that racism only seems to go one way . We have a man here stating his life is in ruins because of racism yet within a day we find out that he had also made racist comments . Do we really think that these Facebook messages will have been the only racist comments that Rafiq had made in his life ? You’d have to be pretty naive to think this .
We also have the lad pictured swigging from bottles of alcohol , allegations of excess gambling and pictures of him with t shirts saying P@ki Power , all of which undermine his credibility. If you are going to throw a racism grenade that will ruin the reputation of many people , you better make sure that you are beyond reproach .
 
I haven’t seen one poster suggest that we ignore racism on the back of these new allegations. What gets people’s back up however , is that racism only seems to go one way . We have a man here stating his life is in ruins because of racism yet within a day we find out that he had also made racist comments . Do we really think that these Facebook messages will have been the only racist comments that Rafiq had made in his life ? You’d have to be pretty naive to think this .
We also have the lad pictured swigging from bottles of alcohol , allegations of excess gambling and pictures of him with t shirts saying P@ki Power , all of which undermine his credibility. If you are going to throw a racism grenade that will ruin the reputation of many people , you better make sure that you are beyond reproach .

Its not him in the pictures with the shirts on.

What is the relevance of his drinking? I hope you're not trying to justify him being force fed wine at 15 because as an adult he was out drinking?
 
I haven’t seen one poster suggest that we ignore racism on the back of these new allegations. What gets people’s back up however , is that racism only seems to go one way . We have a man here stating his life is in ruins because of racism yet within a day we find out that he had also made racist comments . Do we really think that these Facebook messages will have been the only racist comments that Rafiq had made in his life ? You’d have to be pretty naive to think this .
We also have the lad pictured swigging from bottles of alcohol , allegations of excess gambling and pictures of him with t shirts saying P@ki Power , all of which undermine his credibility. If you are going to throw a racism grenade that will ruin the reputation of many people , you better make sure that you are beyond reproach .
Why? Why should you be beyond reproach? the things still happened

why is it a problem to ruin the reputations of people when they have actually done things?

why does the hypocrisy matter most to you? Why is that your focus?
 
It's the tactic I'm afraid, we saw it with George Floyd and BLM.

You can't really argue against racism, but you can try to discredit the message. So if the person highlighting the issue isn't absolutely angelic, you can pick something out and justify racism it in the minds of the morons. And working on the principle that human beings aren't perfect and make mistakes, you can pretty much make your case for your audience.

As I said earlier when the tweet became public, the thread took a depressing but predictable turn.

i've mostly ignored this thread for the sake of my mental health. and every time i've looked it i've regretted it
 
I haven’t seen one poster suggest that we ignore racism on the back of these new allegations. What gets people’s back up however , is that racism only seems to go one way . We have a man here stating his life is in ruins because of racism yet within a day we find out that he had also made racist comments . Do we really think that these Facebook messages will have been the only racist comments that Rafiq had made in his life ? You’d have to be pretty naive to think this .
We also have the lad pictured swigging from bottles of alcohol , allegations of excess gambling and pictures of him with t shirts saying P@ki Power , all of which undermine his credibility. If you are going to throw a racism grenade that will ruin the reputation of many people , you better make sure that you are beyond reproach .
The fact that all you knew prior to 5pm yesterday was that there was a Pakistani cricketer that had been the victim of systematic racist abuse day in day out from white cricketers, commentators, management. You knew that the day after his child died he faced the most inhumane treatment at the the hands of the white coach of YCCC. That’s all you knew.

You then find out that the victim to this horrendous, sustained racist abuse had himself sent a couple of racist tweets when he was a teenager. The fact that the ‘hypocrisy’ was the bigger story to you and that you were nowhere to be seen prior to 5pm yesterday shows you up for what you are.
 
I haven’t seen one poster suggest that we ignore racism on the back of these new allegations. What gets people’s back up however , is that racism only seems to go one way . We have a man here stating his life is in ruins because of racism yet within a day we find out that he had also made racist comments . Do we really think that these Facebook messages will have been the only racist comments that Rafiq had made in his life ? You’d have to be pretty naive to think this .
We also have the lad pictured swigging from bottles of alcohol , allegations of excess gambling and pictures of him with t shirts saying P@ki Power , all of which undermine his credibility. If you are going to throw a racism grenade that will ruin the reputation of many people , you better make sure that you are beyond reproach .

people who see domestic abuse as a child often end up domestically abusing future partners. just saying.

not sure what your point is tbh. so aye, he's acted like a twat in the past, and owned that. fair play. he was never held up as a hero, you don't have to worship him just listen to the message. the fact that he's said stupid stuff proves his point, not discredits it at all imo.

there is still a problem with racism in this country, the reaction to his historic messages reeks of people looking for an excuse to stick their heads back in the sand
 
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