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Racism at Yorkshire CCC


sonson said:
I'm married to someone who is mixed race and is part of a large extended community of people who are black and people of colour as a result, and they're always very annoyed by this sort of thing.

There's nothing to be gained from hoping or thinking the country is less or more racist than it is. Because *whatever* level it is or isn't, its too much all the same. The country is institutionally and systemically racist. Black people and people of colour experience racism here all the time. It makes their lives hard and worse. They are telling us this all the time, however they can. The narrative of "it could be worse" or "its not as bad as x" is the one most used to shut their voices down and exhaust them. There's a very fine line between "I like to think we're better than this" and "it's worse everywhere else so why are you complaining".

Academically speaking some places might be worse than others, but people marginalised or abused in the workplace are marginalised or abused in the workplace. And the majority of black people and people of colour will tell you they are frequently marginalised or abused in their workplace, and that most white people don't have their back. Surveys done by Yougov and the TUC last year found 50% and 70% respectively said this.

It might comfort you to think Yorkshire is a particularly bad example, but those narratives don't serve the victims. Racism is racism. Somewhere that's 80% racist or somewhere that's 30% racist is going to be hellish for any person of colour or black person who encounters it.
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Afraid you are quite spectacularly missing my point, or at least the point of my point.

What did I say: it's true its everywhere. I'm under no illusions etc. Don't be bad faith about this. Whilst I like the points you are making in the main, its not enjoyable to be used as a platform for your soapbox, however important the points. That hasn't generally how this debate has been conducted on here.

But you can already see that narrative building and what will it do... diminish the focus on Yorkshire. It cannot be allowed to do that. You seem politically clued up, so you should know that this exactly a tactic tried by the Metropolitan police in the 90s. What works best in terms of shifting societal norms is absolutely throwing the f***ing book at Yorkshire, not broadening the conversation as much and as quickly as possible so that we end up saying - "ah, well society is fucked, everyone is fucked, we're all implicated". That may be true, but you know what, honestly: will get us f***ing nowhere. People will shut down.
 
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
Afraid you are quite spectacularly missing my point, or at least the point of my point.

What did I say: it's true its everywhere. I'm under no illusions etc. Don't be bad faith about this. Whilst I like the points you are making in the main, its not enjoyable to be used as a platform for your soapbox, however important the points. That hasn't generally how this debate has been conducted on here.

But you can already see that narrative building and what will it do... diminish the focus on Yorkshire. It cannot be allowed to do that. You seem politically clued up, so you should know that this exactly a tactic tried by the Metropolitan police in the 90s. What works best in terms of shifting societal norms is absolutely throwing the f***ing book at Yorkshire, not broadening the conversation as much and as quickly as possible so that we end up saying - "ah, well society is fucked, everyone is fucked, we're all implicated". That may be true, but you know what, honestly: will get us f***ing nowhere. People will shut down.
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It's not bad faith mate. My hope is that you read what I wrote not as a personal attack or objection, very much not it's intention, but just as a personal observation. I think you'll see that I never actually said anything critical about you or criticised you despite holding a view I was critical of.

I take your point about the need for action to be direct and not diffuse, and admit I didn't really read that as what you wrote, but agree entirely if that's what you meant.

The last thing I want is for this discussion to be taken off track and for that I will apologise to those in the thread for if my articulation of my post did that.
 
I am delighted to see these individuals squirm after they were named. Racism is disgraceful and totally unacceptable.

While following the developments I started to realise that this sort of discrimination is rife through the game and has been for a long long time. The governing bodies, especially in the UK, are heavily influenced by the MCC. Many members of the governing bodies will be members of the MCC. When I was playing in local league cricket the presence of the MCC was always in the background. If you were a good local player you had to be 3 times better than any MCC man to progress. Many MCC members are of course privately educated and that has a bearing on membership. At regional level the MCC "out" sides invite players to play for them on a 2 year probation and playing so many games. After that they are members of the MCC. This helps the person cricket wise and, more importantly, career-wise. Clubs invite the MCC to send sides for celebratory events and there are rules to be followed if the MCC agree to play.

The discrimination experienced in the game today is the latest that started with the exclusion of local players whose families were not rich businessmen. I cannot for the life of me recall any players from Dawdon Cricket Club, where I started my cricket, being asked to play for the local MCC side. I played with some very good players back then but they never had a chance because of their background. Where I finished playing I came across the MCC and some of the players were just "good chaps". Again though the people who are involved are very much a closed shop and some very good players will not be able to access playing to help their cricket or their employment opportunities because their parents are on benefits, or are a different colour.

The problem that needs addressing is the MCC and it's influence. Of course the members would deny that this sort of thing happens but it is evident that it does. Over 200 years of influence in the game at the top level needs to be suspended while the Government look into the situation. The MCC should then be barred from any positions of influence. The problem is that any of the investigation committee could be MCC members themselves.
 
Silly Point said:
When the allegations of a player still at the club using the P word came out a few weeks ago, my money was on him.
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i actually looked through that yesterday expecting Lyth to be involved but this was the only bit i found.

“vi) In September 2017, we were on a YCCC bus trip travelling through London to Surrey. While driving through London, we drove past Asian men with beards and Gary said in front of the whole squad (including Adam Lyth, Steve Patterson, Andrew Gale (Yorkshire Coach), Richard Pyrah (Yorkshire Assistant Coach)) “is that your uncle there?”. Everyone laughed, which only encouraged and egged Gary on.”
 
WCC said:
i actually looked through that yesterday expecting Lyth to be involved but this was the only bit i found.

“vi) In September 2017, we were on a YCCC bus trip travelling through London to Surrey. While driving through London, we drove past Asian men with beards and Gary said in front of the whole squad (including Adam Lyth, Steve Patterson, Andrew Gale (Yorkshire Coach), Richard Pyrah (Yorkshire Assistant Coach)) “is that your uncle there?”. Everyone laughed, which only encouraged and egged Gary on.”
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Plunkett I dont know personally but know he’s a bit of a wild one, spiceboy, like’s his booze, a lads lad. Pally with a few of them implicated.

I’m glad he wasnt mentioned either.
 
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