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Harry Angstrom said:
So we can have the sticks in lakes that are more than 1000km long and that will suffice for the flat surface.
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No problem.
Harry Angstrom said:
The sticks have shadows when not obscured by clouds. Those shadows have an angle. You are happy that sticks in the sun have shadows?
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Yep I'm happy they have shadows.
Harry Angstrom said:
The angle can be measured from the the length of the stick against the length of the angle.
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Ok so you mean if you have a 2 foot stick and a 3 foot shadow coming from the stick?
Harry Angstrom said:
Then we have a scalene triangle with three points. the source of light, stick one and stick two.
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How do you get this scalene triangle from the stick distance?
Harry Angstrom said:
We know two angles and one length. From that we can deduce the measurements of all three sides of the triangle.
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Ok so two angles one from each stick as in shadow and one length as in 1000 km. Is this what you mean?
Harry Angstrom said:
If you believe maths hasn't come up with a way of measuring a scalene triangle or cannot fathom the maths of that then you can believe what you want.
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Ok so can you get to the distance of the sun by using what you said?
The Snockerty Friddle said:
Yes there are two different hemispheres of stars. Even if you want to call them points of light on the dome, there are still two hemispheres of them.
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It's one hemisphere. A dome.
Nobby said:
Let's get back to the spirit level how does that draw a line?
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The two hands it has. It just buys a crayon and draws it.
I won't play for long but I thought, what the hell. ;)
Nobby said:
We can move onto markers once you have explained that
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This is the spirit level typing. I use crayons.;)

If you want to carry on after this then you're on your own, Nobby.
 
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I really give up on you. I think you are beyond debating with people.
I have told you it has been proved that heat can travel across a vacuum. The same way as light can. This can be proved in a lab. I have done it myself at university many years ago. It makes perfect sense to me.
If you like I can arrange for you to visit a facility that has a vacuum chamber and show you how it works
 
Nukehasslefan said:
No problem.

Yep I'm happy they have shadows.


Ok so you mean if you have a 2 foot stick and a 3 foot shadow coming from the stick?

How do you get this scalene triangle from the stick distance?

Ok so two angles one from each stick as in shadow and one length as in 1000 km. Is this what you mean?

Ok so can you get to the distance of the sun by using what you said?
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Yes, that would be one example.
There are three points in a triangle. The light source and two sticks. It would be a scalene triangle because the angles are unlikely to be the same or at 90 degreed unless you did the measurement of one of the sticks at midday at the summer solstice on the tropic of Cancer or Capricorn depending on which summer.
Yes.
From the maths that has been shown in the attached video. If you don't understand the maths or refute the maths then you can go back to your interpretation and say it is impossible to know the distance. That is your prerogative. I doubt I'm skilled enough to teach you it.
 
Harry Angstrom said:
Good
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Yes, that would be one example.
There are three points in a triangle. The light source and two sticks. It would be a scalene triangle because the angles are unlikely to be the same or at 90 degreed unless you did the measurement of one of the sticks at midday at the summer solstice on the tropic of Cancer or Capricorn depending on which summer.
Yes.
From the maths that has been shown in the attached video. If you don't understand the maths or refute the maths then you can go back to your interpretation and say it is impossible to know the distance. That is your prerogative. I doubt I'm skilled enough to teach you it.
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maths is the earth, earth is maths, another thing that newcastle fan can't grasp
 
payne said:
maths is the earth, earth is maths, another thing that newcastle fan can't grasp
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I've enjoyed the exchange. I haven't used my maths GCE for stuff like this for years. that's what I love about what we have figured out over the last few thousand years. It is extraordinarily beautiful in it's simplicity explaining really complex stuff.

Darwin's theory is breath taking in it's profound simplicity.
 
jayjaysafc said:
I really give up on you. I think you are beyond debating with people.
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No problem.
jayjaysafc said:
I have told you it has been proved that heat can travel across a vacuum.
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Yes you have and I simply disagree with you.
jayjaysafc said:
The same way as light can.
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The only way light can work is if it has something to reflect off.
Your vacuum offers nothing of that.
jayjaysafc said:
This can be proved in a lab. I have done it myself at university many years ago. It makes perfect sense to me.
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What have you proved?
jayjaysafc said:
If you like I can arrange for you to visit a facility that has a vacuum chamber and show you how it works
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You mean a facility that has a chamber that can allow evacuation of pressure to make it lower.
That's not a vacuum.
Harry Angstrom said:
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Yes, that would be one example.
There are three points in a triangle. The light source and two sticks.
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ok.
Harry Angstrom said:
It would be a scalene triangle because the angles are unlikely to be the same or at 90 degreed unless you did the measurement of one of the sticks at midday at the summer solstice on the tropic of Cancer or Capricorn depending on which summer.
Yes.
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ok.
Harry Angstrom said:
From the maths that has been shown in the attached video. If you don't understand the maths or refute the maths then you can go back to your interpretation and say it is impossible to know the distance. That is your prerogative. I doubt I'm skilled enough to teach you it.
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I won't be watching any video. I'd like you to explain from this point on. Nice and simple so even a retard like me can understand it to see that it shows a reality.
You have my full and serious attention.
 
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Nukehasslefan said:
That's not what I was asked.
I was asked what I should see on a globe. I said I should see no oceans.

You do try, I'll give you that.

Nothing. It wouldn't be happening.

I can only answer it how I would see the issue.

Aye.

Try a pencil or a washable ink marker or even a crayon if you want to go really thick. I'll lend you some of mine.
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So like I predicted, you didn't answer. I suspect you can't.

On a globe (as is the standard model), what would you expect to see in your bath once the line is drawn and you run water in?
Sorry, I have just realised you did kind of answer to say "Nothing, it would not be happening", which is a little obscure.

So globe, bath on the globe, you put the plug in, draw a line around the bath and run the water. What happens next?

I can't believe I have actually asked that.
 
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The Snockerty Friddle said:
While you're waiting maybe you could explain why you now disagree with the planisphere...
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I don't disagree with how the concept is pushed out in terms of constellations/points of light patterns.
I'm simply saying it's showing two hemispheres where I'm talking about one dome with what can be seen in each half of the dome depending on where you're standing.
DaveH said:
So like I predicted, you didn't answer. I suspect you can't.

On a globe (as is the standard model), what would you expect to see in your bath once the line is drawn and you run water in?
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Nothing. I would expect no bath nor water inside of it, for obvious reasons.
DaveH said:
Sorry, I have just realised you did kind of answer to say "Nothing, it would not be happening", which is a little obscure.
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Above is not obscure, it should be easily understandable.
DaveH said:
So globe, bath on the globe, you put the plug in, draw a line around the bath and run the water. What happens next?

I can't believe I have actually asked that.
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Nothing. It wouldn't be happening.
Harry Angstrom said:
What level of maths did you attain at school?

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It's irrelevant.
 
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Nukehasslefan said:
The two hands it has. It just buys a crayon and draws it.
I won't play for long but I thought, what the hell. ;)
This is the spirit level typing. I use crayons.;)

If you want to carry on after this then you're on your own, Nobby.
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But this was your logic for refusing to use a protractor
 
Harry Angstrom said:
It isn't. I need to know how to pitch my answer, if you'd like me to explain from this point on. I want to know whether you are actually a retard.
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Considering I've been in this topic for a long time and people like yourself are continually corresponding with me then hopefully you aren't doing it just to take the pee out of a retard.
However, it doesn't matter what you may think I am or am not, just explain it so simply to get to the point.

Assume I am the retard you think I am and explain to me like I am that person, or at least so dumb that the simplest explanation will only suffice.


Ok so here's the deal.
All I want to know....from you.....is how you measure the distance to the sun with two stick at 1000 km apart by using shadow length for both sticks.

You mention each stick has a shadow angle.
Let's go from there and see where we get to.

Please don't try to say it's far too complicated to just do and then go on about me being a retard because I can't accept that as a provable answer from you.

You don't get anything easy with me. You should know that.
Nobby said:
But this was your logic for refusing to use a protractor
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There was no protractor mentioned in the diagram, so why bring one up at a later date?
 
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Nukehasslefan said:
Considering I've been in this topic for a long time and people like yourself are continually corresponding with me then hopefully you aren't doing it just to take the pee out of a retard.
However, it doesn't matter what you may think I am or am not, just explain it so simply to get to the point.

Assume I am the retard you think I am and explain to me like I am that person, or at least so dumb that the simplest explanation will only suffice.


Ok so here's the deal.
All I want to know....from you.....is how you measure the distance to the sun with two stick at 1000 km apart by using shadow length for both sticks.

You mention each stick has a shadow angle.
Let's go from there and see where we get to.

Please don't try to say it's far too complicated to just do and then go on about me being a retard because I can't accept that as a provable answer from you.

You don't get anything easy with me. You should know that.
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The retard comment was a joke.

Regarding the shadows. What do you believe causes the shadows?
 
ned_werby said:
@Nukehasslefan - a couple of questions if I may?
1) At what age did you 'give up' on the global model theory?
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Maybe 15 years ago, or so.
ned_werby said:
2) What prompted you to do so?
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An accumulation of stuff. One thing leading to another. Basically pondering over all kinds of stuff to do with so called feats like moon missions and vacuums as we were told...etc....etc. One nit pick leads to many.
legend7 said:
So the reflection/sun could be 93 million miles away then
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No.
I know what you're trying to do.
If I think there's a dome then I don't think I need to tell you it's over 93 million miles in height.

Seeing as you're trying to coax out a wild guess I'll give you a wild guess. If you then come back with "how do you know" then I'll have to overlook it. I'm just giving you fair warning.

A wild guess. I'd say not more than a hundred miles and maybe less.
Harry Angstrom said:
The retard comment was a joke.

Regarding the shadows. What do you believe causes the shadows?
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Hard to tell with some of you, to be fair.
It doesn't matter though, I don't take it to heart.
 
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