Put a flat earthier into space

[DPTT]

After 241 pages I still don’t understand his Bath Tub experiment

 

[legend7]

After 241 pages I still don’t understand his Bath Tub experiment

If its any consolation neither does he really mate

 

[payne]

After 241 pages I still don’t understand his Bath Tub experiment

he doesn't either as none of his thoughts are original and all repeated from the flat earth bible. that's why he can't provide any experiment and how he just dismisses the real world out of hand.

I wonder what happened to him to make him this arrogant, dismissive and offensive. Maybe he was told no one too many times and he just cracked.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

After 241 pages I still don’t understand his Bath Tub experiment

There is no experiment.

 

[payne]

There is no experiment.

I think he's been fooled into thinking bathtubs are real. It's all narrative

 

[fyl2u]

After 241 pages I still don’t understand his Bath Tub experiment

1. Water in a bath looks flat and conforms to the container.
2. ?
3. Therefore the world isn't a globe. There's no proof. There's no proof. There's no proof. There's no proof.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I want you to say how this works in your cell world.
One is what you'd see looking North from here in UK, the other is what you'd see looking South from say Argentina, South Africa, Australia...
Both can be seen simultaneously, both can be easily verified.
I want you to attempt to explain how this can possibly work in your cell.

They are, by the way, two entirely different sets of stars, there are no mirrors.

It depends where you're looking from.

You do have something to back down from.

You claim that a spirit level on a raft on a lake proves the earth isn't a globe. It doesn't.

You refuse to explain why you think it should prove it, because you're a liar.

To be honest that's only a small part of proof.
Seeing buildings in the distance over water is another proof.
Water simply levelling itself in any container is clear proof.
There's lots of proof from my side but none from your side.
The reason there will be no proof for you is, you believe water stays on a big spinning ball.
How you'd believe what you actually do see will not be acceptable to you because the narrative is not set for believing what you do observe and can test.

No, offering proof does. We have, you haven't, you've just lied repeatedly.

No proof has ever came from the spinning globe side no matter what you try to use. You know it and I know it.
You calling me a liar won't change it.

And now you're trying to deflect YET AGAIN rather than explain why your experiment isn't flawed.

Whatever you think deflect is, it is what it is.

It's because you can't. You know it's flawed.

My own Earth thought process may be massively flawed but my stance against a spinning global Earth is not...in my honest opinion.

You're lying about it because your fragile ego can't handle being proven wrong YET AGAIN. For the thousandth time on the thread.

I'll handle it when I get proof. None has been offered but plenty of attempts at ridicule and digs. That's not a proof.
If you thought you had provided proof you'd not need to keep trying to prove anything. But here you are trying.

How? The earth is flat and light travels in a straight line. Or is there something wrong with that?

I said in your case, as in your curved Earth.

Angles

It was just an example. You could put them wherever you like.

Ok, so carry on.

Heat transfer via electromagnetic waves can occur across a vacuum ie heat radiation

No.
It can occur through low pressure but not a space vacuum of what we're told about.
Space offers no medium. I mean the space we're told about. The fictional space of course.
Everything has to have a medium, it can never be nothing.
The trouble is people are made to believe things can travel in this space because this fantasy is the story.

The sun and everything we see, is inside Earth and we are all seeing and doing everything within.
What goes on outside of this cell is something we'll likely never know.

Anyway the simple thing is, nothing will work without a medium and luckily we have it at all times, unless fantasy stories are sold as factual, which is what I believe they are.

There is one line from one stick pointing in one direction another stick pointing in another direction. Where they cross is the source of light.

And where do they cross?

It is basic secondary school maths.

It's basic on paper, yes.
It's basic at a realistic end point, yes.

Tell me how it's crossed to get to the sun distance. It's never been answered.

Can you see where you've gone wrong there?

He can't understand secondary school maths.

Anything beyond infants' school maths is beyond him.

It still hasn't been answered, secondary school maths or other.
Can you answer it?

Two sticks. He cannot explain the shadows cast by two sticks.

Two stick 1000 km apart. Both have shadows that intersect.
Where do they intersect?
How are they measured to get a sun distance?

I’d hoped that after a few days off you had come back with something new, but same old same old.

Same old because I'm getting the same old stuff thrown at me. I'm just responding in kind.

Dismiss verifiable facts

Verify those facts because I don;t see any facts for a spinning global Earth.

, then compare to religion or science fiction

That's what all this stuff is.

, one of which there is no proof the other is clearly made up.

Which is what I've been saying all along.

Then replace with a fantasy world of your own with no proof.

No proof is offered. That's the key. It's my own musing and people decided to ask me about it and then go into raptures when they think it doesn't fit their world.
I don't offer proof because I don't offer facts.
You think you're offering proof for a spinning globe and you know fine well you're not doing it from any real life observable and testable proof of your own. Your reliance is what you've been schooled into believing, like we've all had to go through.
It's just a case of who accepts more or less of unprovable stories of what we're schooled into.

Then of course because the rest of the world says different and there is a global space program is has to be a massive conspiracy as to why you are right and everyone else is wrong.

The rest of the world says different because most people believe the story lines.

No point in trying to argue with you, it is just all really strange to me.

No need to argue with me. If you know it's all true then why argue with someone who you clearly think is a nutter. I wouldn't.
Unless you don''t and just use it because you can't prove what you yourself are saying.
It's just a case of who is willing to admit that.

 

[fyl2u]

To be honest that's only a small part of proof.

It isn't proof at all. For it to be proof, the expected result would have to be different on a globe model to a cellworld model.

Because the expected result on both models is the same, it isn't proof of either model.

Literally by definition of the word proof.

Seeing buildings in the distance over water is another proof.

Again, same expected result on both models. Not proof.

Water simply levelling itself in any container is clear proof.

Again, same expected result on both models. Not proof.

There's lots of proof from my side but none from your side.

Lies. Actually two lies in one sentence. Impressive.

The reason there will be no proof for you is, you believe water stays on a big spinning ball.

No, I believe that that water will stick to the nearest source of gravity if the force of gravity is greater than the centrifugal force from the spinning.

But hey, you keep arguing against straw men.

How you'd believe what you actually do see will not be acceptable to you because the narrative is not set for believing what you do observe and can test.

No, when I seek proof of something, I look for experiments that will actually determine which of two possibilities is true. That's the difference between my experiments and yours. Yours don't prove anything because the expected result would be the same on both models. Mine prove the earth isn't a cell-shape because the expected result would be different on a cell shape to a globe shape, and clearly come out indicating a globe shape.

No proof has ever came from the spinning globe side no matter what you try to use. You know it and I know it.

Yes it has. It's all over every page of this thread. You know it and I know it. That's one of the reasons you're a liar.

You calling me a liar won't change it.

If you stopped lying, I'd stop calling you a liar.

Whatever you think deflect is, it is what it is.

This that you're doing now. That's what deflecting is. It is you avoiding the question by talking about everything other than the question.

Stop deflecting, answer the question. Explain why you think your experiment proves the earth isn't a globe, even though the expected result would be the same on both models.

My own Earth thought process may be massively flawed but my stance against a spinning global Earth is not...in my honest opinion.

Your thought process about EVERYTHING is flawed. Here you are still deflecting rather than tell us why your spirit level on a raft on a lake should give different results depending on whether the experiment were conducted on a globe or a cellworld.

I'll handle it when I get proof. None has been offered but plenty of attempts at ridicule and digs. That's not a proof.
If you thought you had provided proof you'd not need to keep trying to prove anything. But here you are trying.

You've had proof. On every page of the thread. You just keep lying about it.

No matter how many lies you tell, it doesn't change the fact you've been given hundreds of proofs.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I didn't say you knew I said an educated guess based on all of your experiments and musings on reflections and heat bouncing off the dome.
To come up with all of these theories that involve heat loss and light dissipation over distance you must have a rough idea in your head.
So you really can't say if you think it's closer to either 100 miles or 1 million miles or what about 100 million miles, you literally have no idea which one may be closest you say?

I have no idea. It's much easier to be honest about it rather than me take a wild guess only for someone to come back with, so how do you know it's that. Which is almost guaranteed to happen.
I'm asking how people know the sun is 93 million miles away and up to now I've got two sticks at 1000 km apart and they intersect or something and that's the sun distance. Something like that.
Nobody's explaining how its really done.

After 241 pages I still don’t understand his Bath Tub experiment

Let me help you.
Get a laser or a spirit level and draw a line around your bath. All around until the lines meet back up.
You now have a nice level set up.

Now fill your bath to the line and you'll notice the water runs exactly around to those lines.
Why?
Because water is flat and level when unhindered.
You could go to a swimming pool and do the very same thing.
You could do all kinds of simple tests that tell you Earth does not curve water.

You can then be coaxed into a belief that it's just too small to show water curves even though your very own logic sees the reality.
You can then sit back and ask yourself how a big spinning ball manages to hold water level to us.
And then you can ask why gravity has no explanation as to what it is.

And so on.
I can't help on that. It's up to people to sit down and have a few words with their own minds if they can free it from the narratives set out, for which there is no proof of.

 

[DPTT]

I have no idea. It's much easier to be honest about it rather than me take a wild guess only for someone to come back with, so how do you know it's that. Which is almost guaranteed to happen.
I'm asking how people know the sun is 93 million miles away and up to now I've got two sticks at 1000 km apart and they intersect or something and that's the sun distance. Something like that.
Nobody's explaining how its really done.

Let me help you.
Get a laser or a spirit level and draw a line around your bath. All around until the lines meet back up.
You now have a nice level set up.

Now fill your bath to the line and you'll notice the water runs exactly around to those lines.
Why?
Because water is flat and level when unhindered.
You could go to a swimming pool and do the very same thing.
You could do all kinds of simple tests that tell you Earth does not curve water.

You can then be coaxed into a belief that it's just too small to show water curves even though your very own logic sees the reality.
You can then sit back and ask yourself how a big spinning ball manages to hold water level to us.
And then you can ask why gravity has no explanation as to what it is.

And so on.
I can't help on that. It's up to people to sit down and have a few words with their own minds if they can free it from the narratives set out, for which there is no proof of.

What would you “expect” to see if we were on a globe the size we think it is?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

What would you “expect” to see if we were on a globe the size we think it is?

No oceans for starters.

 

[DPTT]

No oceans for starters.

Why?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Why?

That really should be pretty logically obvious.

 

[DPTT]

That really should be pretty logically obvious.

Not really
Even if your logic was correct, to back up your lemon squeezer narrative you mention “indentations” to hold water.
Can a globe not have them also

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Not really
Even if your logic was correct, to back up your lemon squeezer narrative you mention “indentations” to hold water.
Can a globe not have them also

Indentations are containers.
If you dig a hole in the ground and fill it with water, it will hold that water.
If you dig a hole horizontally into a hill and try to fill it with water, it will flow out.

If you were to fill a spinning ball, even with indentations in it, with water, it's going to flow out, unless you can think up some kind of magical force that can keep it from doing that.
Behold the magical force of gravity that absolutely nobody can explain but everyone seems to know what it does..

There's a very good reason for that.
It's fictional and magical and keeps alive a nonsensical world we are told we live on top of.

If you think it's a logical explanation then I have no issue with you thinking that. I just think it's absolutely nonsensical...but that's just my thoughts on it.

 

[DPTT]

Indentations are containers.
If you dig a hole in the ground and fill it with water, it will hold that water.
If you dig a hole horizontally into a hill and try to fill it with water, it will flow out.

If you were to fill a spinning ball, even with indentations in it, with water, it's going to flow out, unless you can think up some kind of magical force that can keep it from doing that.
Behold the magical force of gravity that absolutely nobody can explain but everyone seems to know what it does..

There's a very good reason for that.
It's fictional and magical and keeps alive a nonsensical world we are told we live on top of.

If you think it's a logical explanation then I have no issue with you thinking that. I just think it's absolutely nonsensical...but that's just my thoughts on it.

I do think it’s a logical explanation as this “magical” force somehow works “if” we were on a globe. All these experiments people having been showing you work on a globe model and even your bath tub experiment has been explained to you that there would be a drop but unseen to the naked eye due to the size.
I do think your “musings” are interesting but purely from a science fiction sense, and even though the universe is way beyond my comprehension in how it works the “creator” of your world must have been off his/her tits to come up with your version.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I do think it’s a logical explanation as this “magical” force somehow works “if” we were on a globe.

Then you go with that.

All these experiments people having been showing you work on a globe model and even your bath tub experiment has been explained to you that there would be a drop but unseen to the naked eye due to the size.

Fair enough. It's down to you with what you decide is right.

I do think your “musings” are interesting but purely from a science fiction sense

That's fine. I don't expect anyone to blindly believe what I'm saying. This isn't the exercise.

, and even though the universe is way beyond my comprehension in how it works the “creator” of your world must have been off his/her tits to come up with your version.

Maybe, maybe not. It all depends on who or what that creator is in the grand scheme of things.
It takes a really deep thought process to go right down the rabbit hole in terms of what may be a potential reality. Most people have no desire to look further than set out narratives.
That's not a dig, it's just life and the human psyche.


A small thinking piece for you. No need to answer back. Just use it for thought and maybe a deeper thought later on if your mind is geared for alternates.

We naturally look upon ourselves as basically the top of the food chain. We also naturally think we're big in terms of most of what we know of the animal world, compared to insects and smaller animals overall.
Obviously there's bigger animals but the majority of life seems smaller/tiny to us.


But what if that's not the case or wasn't always.
What if our whole life is suppressed in terms of learning about what Earth really is.

What if we are not the most intelligent inside Earth, regardless of size.
What if we are in a cell as part of similar cells in an uncountable mass of cells as part of something much bigger as a unit, just like our cells in our bodies are part of a much bigger end product.....US.

And to think we're told we live on a spinning ball in a space vacuum with a big fire, 93 million miles away that looks small in the sky because of that distance but also because it's a few million miles in circumference....and so on and so on.
And yet ridiculed for wondering if that sun is not that distance as may just well be inside our atmosphere.

But when you look at stuff around you and do the most simplest experiments, you (I do) start to realise the spinning globe is one hell of a schooling in fiction but a great story regardless.

Just like gods are great stories. Someone had to start this off and someone always has to capitalise on this stuff.
But the issue is, what is Earth and what are we as part of it? And more to the point....who or what is the god of us. I don't mean someone dying on a cross with a name we all grow up with, I mean what entity is in charge of a potential cell we may be the bacteria of and are we a help to that cell's well being; but also the entire cell being of such structure as to stay part of likewise cells around it and not be rejected.


Nuts eh?
You see by this point most people looking at this would immediately just close the book. Slam it shut. Cast it off as utter nonsense in favour of the trusted narrative of...they simply live on what they were schooled into, which is a supposed spinning globe in a space vacuum with rocky balls and gaseous balls, plus big balls of fire just floating about in it doing what we're told they're doing.

Simple little experiments show a different light to stuff if people put their logical minds to it and can cast aside the narrative for a short period.

But.....
Well.....

It's not up to me to decide for others. All I can do is give my side, like it or loathe it.

 

[fyl2u]

Let me help you.
Get a laser or a spirit level and draw a line around your bath. All around until the lines meet back up.
You now have a nice level set up.

Now fill your bath to the line and you'll notice the water runs exactly around to those lines.
Why?
Because water is flat and level when unhindered.
You could go to a swimming pool and do the very same thing.
You could do all kinds of simple tests that tell you Earth does not curve water.

You can then be coaxed into a belief that it's just too small to show water curves even though your very own logic sees the reality.
You can then sit back and ask yourself how a big spinning ball manages to hold water level to us.
And then you can ask why gravity has no explanation as to what it is.

And so on.
I can't help on that. It's up to people to sit down and have a few words with their own minds if they can free it from the narratives set out, for which there is no proof of.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Hoy some others up and diversify.

 

[Nobby]

Let me help you.
Get a laser or a spirit level and draw a line around your bath. All around until the lines meet back up.
You now have a nice level set up.

How do you draw a line with a spirit level or laser?