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Racism at Yorkshire CCC


Playing devils advocate: What is an unacceptable / pointless timeframe to go back in time to cancel people do you think?

i’m not anti cancel culture btw when it means bad people are getting their comeuppance.

Just wondering.
 
Mackem DJ said:
Playing devils advocate: What is an unacceptable / pointless timeframe to go back in time to cancel people do you think?

i’m not anti cancel culture btw when it means bad people are getting their comeuppance.

Just wondering.
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What's often missed with these things is that its never just that

It's a case of

*saying I didn't do it

*Then a case of that proving not to be true

*Then a case of saying its not what it looks like

*Then a case of proving it wasn't a one off

*Then the person saying it was ages ago I'm a better person

*Then, sometimes, an apology and acceptance it has hurt/hurts people. Often after months or years of denial, money spent on legal things etc, and repeat trauma for the victims.

I dare say they if people came out in front and just owned it it might be different.

In my opinion the desire to cancel dosent come because someone wasn't perfect, it comes because they refuse to believe they did *anything wrong* in the first place and only accept they did when there's no option left.
 
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Let's be honest, a lot of the time these kind of of accusations are seized upon by people to hammer people they don't like. They don't really give a shit about the actual issue (racism or whatever it is) they just want their target to suffer.
 
Mackem DJ said:
Playing devils advocate: What is an unacceptable / pointless timeframe to go back in time to cancel people do you think?

i’m not anti cancel culture btw when it means bad people are getting their comeuppance.

Just wondering.
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Depends what it is right?

If youve been racist you've been racist. You've hurt someone in the past. Doesn't matter when it was. Apologise and own it.

Equally a lot of "cancelling" (which I don't believe is a real thing anyway) is for things like rape and sexual assaults. I don't think times a healer on them either.
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Let's be honest, a lot of the time these kind of of accusations are seized upon by people to hammer people they don't like. They don't really give a shit about the actual issue (racism or whatever it is) they just want their target to suffer.
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Doesn't stop the initial thing being bad though does it.
 
HarrogateMackem said:
Depends what it is right?

If youve been racist you've been racist. You've hurt someone in the past. Doesn't matter when it was. Apologise and own it.

Equally a lot of "cancelling" (which I don't believe is a real thing anyway) is for things like rape and sexual assaults. I don't think times a healer on them either.

Doesn't stop the initial thing being bad though does it.
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I need to address this.

Generally we didnt do this years ago though did we, had like a public witchhunt and tried to erase people & totally demonise them for wrong doing. And carry on being outraged until they are forced underground out of the pubic eye, lose their job, get them into bother with employers, authoroties etc.

That didnt really happen years ago, it’s only taken off since social media got massive. Probably because social media fuels a lot of the outrage tbh.

i can think of hundreds of times it’s happened in the last 5 years but barely any prior? But cancel culture isn’t really a thing supposedly (?).
 
So what if we didn’t do it years ago, we are doing it now. If you did something wrong in the past, well guess what … karma is catching up with you. Couldn’t give a damn if it’s cancel culture shite or not, that’s irrelevant.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Let's be honest, a lot of the time these kind of of accusations are seized upon by people to hammer people they don't like. They don't really give a shit about the actual issue (racism or whatever it is) they just want their target to suffer.
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And up you pop on the cricket forum.......
 
Mackem DJ said:
I need to address this.

Generally we didnt do this years ago though did we, had like a public witchhunt and tried to erase people & totally demonise them for wrong doing. And carry on being outraged until they are forced underground out of the pubic eye, lose their job, get them into bother with employers, authoroties etc.

That didnt really happen years ago, it’s only taken off since social media got massive. Probably because social media fuels a lot of the outrage tbh.

i can think of hundreds of times it’s happened in the last 5 years but barely any prior? But cancel culture isn’t really a thing supposedly (?).
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Of course we did? You're saying public outrage wasn't a thing before? Have a look back at MPs resigning throughout history for various misdemenors , or McCarthyism in America. Or the Fatty Arbuckle trial, or Jim Morrison, Oscer Wilde, Maralyn Manson, Tommy Lee etc. The list goes on of people who there has been forced to resign or retract from public life for a period of time for various issues.

Cancel culture isn't a thing not people public outrage isn't a thing, I'm not denying that. It's not a thing because people are never properly cancelled. Even those with the most henious of crimes can eventually come back.

Roman Polanski was awarded a life time achievement award and cheered on stage last month. Mel Gibson and Jonny Depp are back in movies. Teams still want to sign Watson of the Texans in the NFL and Floyd Mayweather is still a superstar. Nestle is still a huge company despite the baby milk stuff etc. I could go on.

But why would you be upset with moral outrage anyway if it's true? If they do terrible things they should be punished like the rest of us.
 
HarrogateMackem said:
Of course we did? You're saying public outrage wasn't a thing before? Have a look back at MPs resigning throughout history for various misdemenors , or McCarthyism in America. Or the Fatty Arbuckle trial, or Jim Morrison, Oscer Wilde, Maralyn Manson, Tommy Lee etc. The list goes on of people who there has been forced to resign or retract from public life for a period of time for various issues.

Cancel culture isn't a thing not people public outrage isn't a thing, I'm not denying that. It's not a thing because people are never properly cancelled. Even those with the most henious of crimes can eventually come back.

Roman Polanski was awarded a life time achievement award and cheered on stage last month. Mel Gibson and Jonny Depp are back in movies. Teams still want to sign Watson of the Texans in the NFL and Floyd Mayweather is still a superstar. Nestle is still a huge company despite the baby milk stuff etc. I could go on.

But why would you be upset with moral outrage anyway if it's true? If they do terrible things they should be punished like the rest of us.
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Thats the thing. Roman Polanski & Nestle should have been cancelled but it didn’t go on back in the day. And to say “no ones really cancelled as they can come back later on” is an odd take. No one is suggesting cancelling someone means they are gone forever? It doesn’t mean cancel culture isn’t a thing.

I’m not upset about it tbh more just observing on the wider phenom of Cancel Culture. Certainly not upset about Michael Vaughan being cancelled as he is a horrible gobshite. :lol:
chunkylover53 said:
Oh do fuck off.
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I think what he said was correct. A lot of people actually imo

*are not arsed about whatever is meant to have been said/done to warrant the cancelling.

*in addition, they might actually be indifferent about the person at the centre of the scandal.

but because there is masses of outrage, masses of social media posturing etc it’s important to be part of that bandwagon to fit in and to gain acceptance.
 
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