ALL NUFC and Sportwashing stuff in here. (Threads will be merged)

[NYMackem]

This isn't about percentages being higher or lower.
If you partake in anything PIF are part of whether it's 00000000000000000.1% or 20%/50%/80% or 100% you're still buying into it.
If you don't buy into any of it and buy into nothing from any country that commit bad/terrible/atrocious acts then you have a stronger argument.

The issue we have is, this is the internet and a forum. People can take the moral high ground whilst maybe not deserving of it. Most people don;t know each other to know what morals a person may or may not have, overall.
This is why it becomes massively subjective.

Probably the stupidest thing I have read on here. Well done.

Do you really think there is no difference at all between buying a single share of a listed company on a public exchange and owning 80% of a private company and having total control of all board appointments and strategic decisions?

 

[John the Savage]

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[frenchduke]

This isn't about percentages being higher or lower.
If you partake in anything PIF are part of whether it's 00000000000000000.1% or 20%/50%/80% or 100% you're still buying into it.
If you don't buy into any of it and buy into nothing from any country that commit bad/terrible/atrocious acts then you have a stronger argument.

The issue we have is, this is the internet and a forum. People can take the moral high ground whilst maybe not deserving of it. Most people don;t know each other to know what morals a person may or may not have, overall.
This is why it becomes massively subjective.

there is a difference between doing things that are unavoidable in taking part in modern society (for example i can be vegan and disagree with animal abuse, but i would still need to put petrol in my car) and actively going out of your way to back and support the regime that owns your club and becoming their acceptable face. it is a pretty big difference and it is petty and naive it you dont see it

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

Oh dear he’s had a mare here ‘making thousands off the club’ the comments are brilliant everyone turning on him now haha

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That's really not half as impressive as he thinks it is if he wants to do it for a job. Right at the start of the takeover doing lots of weird shit that a lot of people are laughing at him for, shared in quite a few places, and he's still only getting £1300. Given he's chucked in uni for it he'll be needing to get significantly increase that and maintain it in order for it to be any sort of a "career". That and the fact his average wage is probably less than minimum wage given he spends 20 hours a day at a training ground means it's not really the win he so obviously thinks it is

 

[Deleted member 1169]

Nonsense, as much as you’d all like it to be true it isn’t. Anyone can buy stock in a company- like someone said earlier the Saudis are so toxic if they did own companies outright no one would use them.
Seriously, I wouldn’t want them anywhere near my club- I’d rather we were skint playing in the Northern League than have the House of Saud associated with us.

This isn't about percentages being higher or lower.
If you partake in anything PIF are part of whether it's 00000000000000000.1% or 20%/50%/80% or 100% you're still buying into it.
If you don't buy into any of it and buy into nothing from any country that commit bad/terrible/atrocious acts then you have a stronger argument.

The issue we have is, this is the internet and a forum. People can take the moral high ground whilst maybe not deserving of it. Most people don;t know each other to know what morals a person may or may not have, overall.
This is why it becomes massively subjective.

Clueless. At any moment in time you have no real clue who a companies shareholders are. However SWF complete a 13F submission each quarter which shows who they are holding at that time. But it could be that they have bought and sold stocks from one quarter to another. The attraction of a stock market is that it is liquid and you can get in and out of a position quickly and is very unlike a protracted 18 month takeover. Yes, it is not about percentages but a public company has no say in who purchases their stock (unless it is an outright takeover) and it is impractical to expect an end user to be able to check who owns the shares.

But for arguments sake if Netflix was taken over completely by PIF, and started to put predominantly Arabic content, had Saudi flags everywhere and had Visit Saudi ads on all the time the number of users would drop.

 

[HeaderDownBrown]

This isn't about percentages being higher or lower.
If you partake in anything PIF are part of whether it's 00000000000000000.1% or 20%/50%/80% or 100% you're still buying into it.
If you don't buy into any of it and buy into nothing from any country that commit bad/terrible/atrocious acts then you have a stronger argument.

The issue we have is, this is the internet and a forum. People can take the moral high ground whilst maybe not deserving of it. Most people don;t know each other to know what morals a person may or may not have, overall.
This is why it becomes massively subjective.

Haddaway and shite man. Are people going to check every single thing they buy incase they've own a tiny percentage in the company that produces it? It's a shit way to try and justify them owning your club. They OWN you, they make the decisions, they're using your club! Owning 0.1% of some huge company to make some cash when they have no say in it's day to day running just isn't the same...

 

[Howard the Duck]

You are acting like I haven't said this before and I absolutely have, on this very forum. About the odd abuse Theresa May got for her shoes, Priti Patel etc.

It's pathetic. In a world where we talk constantly about mental health, the press etc continue to attack people for the way they look. It's childish and we must do better.

They have a point. We as a society should not be making fun of the way people look. They need to grow up.

More double standards, hypocrisy and attempted deflection from you I see.

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Or do ‘Cabbage Head’ and ‘Fat Fuck’ not count as making fun of how people look? Or does it just not count when you say it? Or does it just not count when it’s not at a time when you’re clawing around for false equivalence, whataboutism and distraction from the fact you’re all rapturously greeting a despotic, backwards, murderous regime as your saviours.

 

[Wayne The Punk]

Haddaway and shite man. Are people going to check every single thing they buy incase they've own a tiny percentage in the company that produces it? It's a shit way to try and justify them owning your club. They OWN you, they make the decisions, they're using your club! Owning 0.1% of some huge company to make some cash when they have no say in it's day to day running just isn't the same...

Just ignore him marra, he knows the truth and is in denial. f***ing mags man, a separate bastard species

 

[OzzyMac]

My morals are Subjective Flexible.

Fixed for you

 

[HeaderDownBrown]

That's really not half as impressive as he thinks it is if he wants to do it for a job. Right at the start of the takeover doing lots of weird shit that a lot of people are laughing at him for, shared in quite a few places, and he's still only getting £1300. Given he's chucked in uni for it he'll be needing to get significantly increase that and maintain it in order for it to be any sort of a "career". That and the fact his average wage is probably less than minimum wage given he spends 20 hours a day at a training ground means it's not really the win he so obviously thinks it is

You have to pay tax on that as well. Amazing he's actually making any money, I mean what does he actually do apart from hang around the training ground and sing mental songs from his Mam's utility room?

Just ignore him marra, he knows the truth and is in denial. f***ing mags man, a separate bastard species

Thick as pig's shit mate

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

I'm starting to the this Newcastle fan lad is just a wind up. Its obvious to anyone with a brain that there's a difference between using a service that the Saudis might have 1% ownership of and having them be the very public face, and complete control, of your football club. They invest in companies purely to try and make profit as they know the oil won't last forever. That's different from using a football club to try and sportswash their atrocities, to make people think of Newcastle rather than Yemen or Khashoggi when they think of Saudi. Any success for their club (which I'm not even convinced they'll get) will be seen around the world as Saudi success, bought and paid for and that they could have done at any club they rocked up at. He also keeps banging on about "I'm just a fan", I haven't seen many /anyone suggesting he should stop supporting his club. The suggestion is simply that you could support your club whilst also calling out the owners in much the same way they constantly called out Ashley. If he doesn't want to then fair enough, but unsure why we're getting hundreds of posts from the lad telling us the same thing. That and the flat earth shit make me think he's a pure WUM and probably not worth engaging with

 

[Exile 1968]

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The Whataboutery with this one is strong

 

[Peegee]

That's really not half as impressive as he thinks it is if he wants to do it for a job. Right at the start of the takeover doing lots of weird shit that a lot of people are laughing at him for, shared in quite a few places, and he's still only getting £1300. Given he's chucked in uni for it he'll be needing to get significantly increase that and maintain it in order for it to be any sort of a "career". That and the fact his average wage is probably less than minimum wage given he spends 20 hours a day at a training ground means it's not really the win he so obviously thinks it is

He quit uni to do it??

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

You have to pay tax on that as well. Amazing he's actually making any money, I mean what does he actually do apart from hang around the training ground and sing mental songs from his Mam's utility room?

Thick as pigs shit mate

Fuck knows. He's got to keep the act relevant as well. Currently people aren't enjoying his content or thinking it's original. I'd wager at least half his views are from people laughing at him. He's quite obviously a f***ing weirdo and a complete sad act. At least I could see why mags listened to the true geordie, this little twat will get tiresome very quickly even for their fans. I'd knack my lad if he left uni to hang around a training ground like a f***ing freak

 

[Wayne The Punk]

I'm starting to the this Newcastle fan lad is just a wind up. Its obvious to anyone with a brain that there's a difference between using a service that the Saudis might have 1% ownership of and having them be the very public face, and complete control, of your football club. They invest in companies purely to try and make profit as they know the oil won't last forever. That's different from using a football club to try and sportswash their atrocities, to make people think of Newcastle rather than Yemen or Khashoggi when they think of Saudi. Any success for their club (which I'm not even convinced they'll get) will be seen around the world as Saudi success, bought and paid for and that they could have done at any club they rocked up at. He also keeps banging on about "I'm just a fan", I haven't seen many /anyone suggesting he should stop supporting his club. The suggestion is simply that you could support your club whilst also calling out the owners in much the same way they constantly called out Ashley. If he doesn't want to then fair enough, but unsure why we're getting hundreds of posts from the lad telling us the same thing. That and the flat earth shit make me think he's a pure WUM and probably not worth engaging with

I agree, the number of posts he is putting out, supporting the owners, even though he claims he isnt, it has to be WUM

 

[Howard the Duck]

You have to pay tax on that as well. Amazing he's actually making any money, I mean what does he actually do apart from hang around the training ground and sing mental songs from his Mam's utility room?

Thick as pig's shit mate

In fairness, not much as he’s barely earning over the personal allowance.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Look , PIF are the face of your club.

Yep, they apparently own 80%.

And you're happy about it and wear tea towels on your head even though you know your owners kill journalists, kill Yemeni kids, kidnaps and kills anyone who talks negatively about the state.

No. I'm happy being a Newcastle United fan and supporter like I've always been.
I don't condone atrocities, no matter what.

Your owners have one of the worst human rights records in the world.

They make Qatar look like mother Theresa.

That's not my fault and it's certainly something I can do nothing about. It's down to those that can, which are governments and people in power.

And you're happy and defend them.

I don;t defend them but if you think being a Newcastle fan is defending them then you must also have a go at everyone who buys into anything they are part of. And I mean anything and everything.
I take it you've ensured you've never partaken in anything they are part of...right?

You spend so much time on a rivals message board trying to get over how it's OK to be happy that they own you.

Nah...I don't. I've never said it once.
People like yourself do that for me.

If they took over SAFC or any other club I honestly doubt that our fans or other fans would defend them and say 'whatabout'.

Honestly doubting is one thing. Knowing it for sure will only come to the fore if your club every have dealings with the PIF in any capacity.

It just wouldn't happen. But mags are so desperate to be in the elite.

I think all fans of all clubs want their clubs to be playing against the elite clubs.
I'm sure you are waiting for the day your club play against them and hopefully be part of that set up....right?

It's where you think you have a god written right to be, and you want to be there by any means necessary.

Not at all. Some may think that but I've been around long enough to understand mediocrity as a main dish since my overall time being a fan and supporter.

You've sold your morals in the blink of an eye.

I think we all sell our morals if that's the case. The only difference is in who thinks their morals are more intact.
It's like telling lies.
If you tell a big lie and are found out you're a big liar. If you tell many small lies you're a fibber. In all counts a person is still a liar.
The issue comes down to categories and how those categories are perceived by those who see their own traits in whatever category.
This is all this arguing stuff is about.

I honestly think no other clubs fans would behave like you lot. Honesty, no one would.

Of course you do. You hate Newcastle United and I understand that. Deep down you know there's a chance most fans will follow their club. regardless.

The regime that owns you buys into other companies to make a profit.

You can't stop them buying shares in the stock market. They are also not the face of these companies.

And that means those companies are complicit and also anyone that buys into those companies are also complicit.
Just like the lie. It doesn't exonerate anyone based on smaller percentage size.

If they were and they owned say Uber, I'm pretty sure people would stop using uber.

You're trying to argue the smaller lie analogy I gave, as if it hands back morals. If it's morally bad to support your football club because it's 80% owned then it's equally morally bad to support anything even if it's 0000000000000000.1% owned.

Or at least not be happy about it.
When folk fill up with petrol do you think they're in love with the Saudis?

No but that applies to anything. I''m a Newcastle United fan and I'm not in love with the Saudi's.

Boxing fans aren't happy about boxing being in Saudi. F1 fans are disgusted.

Are they still fans?

Newcastle fans can still support the team without defending the regime.

Newcastle fans support Newcastle United football club and the team at any given time is part of it. It doesn't mean most fans are agreeing with Saudi Arabian ethics.

MBS is the owner of your club. He is the face of your club. He is one of the most evil despots in the world. And you lot are defending him.

I'm not defending him.

Stop the whataboutery.

When you want to hit me with this stuff don;t expect anything different. It's all about subjective morals and a basic hatred of Newcastle United by some.

 

[Wayne The Punk]

He quit uni to do it??

Probably Trying to get a degree in wanking dogs

 

[Nukehasslefan]

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[Guinness Guzzler]

He quit uni to do it??

Apparently so, aye

More double standards, hypocrisy and attempted deflection from you I see.

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Or do ‘Cabbage Head’ and ‘Fat Fuck’ not count as making fun of how people look? Or does it just not count when you say it? Or does it just not count when it’s not at a time when you’re clawing around for false equivalence, whataboutism and distraction from the fact you’re all rapturously greeting a despotic, backwards, murderous regime as your saviours.

Oof, to be fair I think mag in peace has been largely alright on this thread but that one's gone over the boundary. Can't be saying we should be better than criticising people for how they look whilst calling people fat fuckers and cabbage head ffs