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Why are putting up with medoricty

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Mouldedplasticseats said:
U are arguing with reality... Of course I want better but in the meantime we are here. Ya cannot build a skyscraper starting from the top! I'm happy with KLD ownership and hopefully he can provide a sustainable football club
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No i am just trying to understand the mindset, for me as fans we should be setting the standards and demanding our club being returned to the premier league as soon as possible, just in case some at the club think its alright just to fuck about in the lower leagues and we are happy to go along with it, our history says we should be way higher than we are, however i understand it takes time to rebuild, what i am saying is, it shouldn't take a lifetime.
Daddyo said:
22 years
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that's f***ing harsh that mind.
Paxton said:
The problem is most Sunderland fans are mugs and have a weird tendency to accept anything without kicking up a fuss. It's like we have abhorrently low standards.

I am certain some fans would clap us all the way to the Conference and still think things were fine!
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i have to agree with my fellow member.
 
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The owner has said he is taking a long term view. I disagree with that it will only work if the first team is performing. It is not, now what?
 
Mouldedplasticseats said:
U are arguing with reality... Of course I want better but in the meantime we are here. Ya cannot build a skyscraper starting from the top! I'm happy with KLD ownership and hopefully he can provide a sustainable football club
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You don't seem to grasp reality either. Because your ideas are always wedded to the theoretical and many of us see five defeats, as the greatest truth that you don't want to acknowledge as it upsets your perfect world. The reality as I understand life, is anyone who doesn't understand the principle of 'friction' and how plans fail, should not be leading anything and the job of any leader is to work within the reality as it is and react fast enough to stay ahead of failure and your opponents thinking.

The reason why we fell down the leagues and can't get out of league one, is the inability to adapt fast enough and crucially react faster than our opponents on and off the pitch at a sufficiently consistent level. KLD maybe can afford to kick back and wait until the recruitment team gets it right and we go up next season or the one after, but for the fans we live in the now and why I think all the talk of cunning plans is essentially bollox.

As always I've being negative on you and to offer you a crumb of comfort, sometimes it doesn't matter and you simply get lucky. We may well scramble to victory this season, but it would take a mighty impressive January window and a streaky run and its more than possible we don't even qualify for the playoffs this season on our present form.
 
CaptainRed said:
We have, without doubt the most patient crowd in the Country. If what's happened to us these past 5 years had happened 12 miles up the road they would have smashed their own city up (again).
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They certainly wouldn't stand for 4 years in league one that's a fact, the place would be a raging inferno, longer than one season in the championship, would be the same no doubt.
 
redgauntlet said:
The owner has said he is taking a long term view. I disagree with that it will only work if the first team is performing. It is not, now what?
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Get a manager in who knows what he’s doing!
Before anyone asks ‘who?’, I don’t know. I’ve suggested two solid lower league stalwarts, one who’s had us promoted before, and most disagreed, so best I say nowt! :lol:
 
robbied1 said:
Never once I have celebrated us getting to the pizza cup final, or winning it, I said at the time it was embarrassing and got pelters as usual.
It's a competition that's beneath us,since we dropped into league 1 I've said we should sack every cup competition off and concentrate on the league ,no excuses.
It infuriates me that someone here are thinking about winning the league cup, I know most of it is in jest , but even fans talking about getting into Europe just by making the final,theydonteven realise you don't get in europe that way.
People need to wake up, the only way we get out of this league is by fully concentrating on the league no distractions, no Wembley cup final in an awful competition. The first thing I would do is sack LJ and appoint Neil Warnock even if he just has a contract till the end of the season, sign 4 experienced players in jan, the first being a decent experienced keeper.
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Totally agree robbied1
 
Morse said:
Get a manager in who knows what he’s doing!
Before anyone asks ‘who?’, I don’t know. I’ve suggested two solid lower league stalwarts, one who’s had us promoted before, and most disagreed, so best I say nowt! :lol:
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The return of the Mick, i like that idea, that's if Johnson is given his matching orders, but could mick adapt to being head coach, not manager.
 
Eggman said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we played a full strength side in the Pizza Cup Final.

As a club, it's a competition we should be embarrassed to have to enter and not something we should be bragging about
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I looked at the supposedly "full-strength" lineups for our first league match last year and that for the Pizza Cup final.

First League match:
Burge
Willis Wright Flanagan
O'Nien Dobson Power Hume
Maguire Grigg O'Brien
Subs
Wyke Gooch Scowen Graham Xhemajli Mathews Leadbitter

Pizza Cup Final:
Burge
Power Flanagan O'Nien McFadzean
Leadbitter Scowen Maguire
McGeady Wyke Gooch
Subs
McLaughlin Mathew's Diamond Neil Stewart Younger Mbunga-Kimpioka

I don't know how valid this comparison is what with injuries, transfers etc but it would appear that Leadbitter, Scowen, Gooch and Wyke had been able to force their ways into the full-strength line-up and that Diamond, Neil and Younger had managed to get on to the bench.
It would take a more profound analysis of all lineups for all competitions to draw more definitive conclusions but I would suggest that those players who got into the first team for the final were able to do it to a certain extent through their performances in the less important cup competitions.
Eggman said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we played a full strength side in the Pizza Cup Final.

As a club, it's a competition we should be embarrassed to have to enter and not something we should be bragging about
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I looked at the supposedly "full-strength" lineups for our first league match last year and that for the Pizza Cup final.

First League match:
Burge
Willis Wright Flanagan
O'Nien Dobson Power Hume
Maguire Grigg O'Brien
Subs
Wyke Gooch Scowen Graham Xhemajli Mathews Leadbitter

Pizza Cup Final:
Burge
Power Flanagan O'Nien McFadzean
Leadbitter Scowen Maguire
McGeady Wyke Gooch
Subs
McLaughlin Mathew's Diamond Neil Stewart Younger Mbunga-Kimpioka

I don't know how valid this comparison is what with injuries, transfers etc but it would appear that Leadbitter, Scowen, Gooch and Wyke had been able to force their ways into the full-strength line-up and that Diamond, Neil and Younger had managed to get on to the bench.
It would take a more profound analysis of all lineups for all competitions to draw more definitive conclusions but I would suggest that those players who got into the first team for the final were able to do it to a certain extent through their performances in the less important cup competitions.
Chatsnoirs said:
I looked at the supposedly "full-strength" lineups for our first league match last year and that for the Pizza Cup final.

First League match:
Burge
Willis Wright Flanagan
O'Nien Dobson Power Hume
Maguire Grigg O'Brien
Subs
Wyke Gooch Scowen Graham Xhemajli Mathews Leadbitter

Pizza Cup Final:
Burge
Power Flanagan O'Nien McFadzean
Leadbitter Scowen Maguire
McGeady Wyke Gooch
Subs
McLaughlin Mathew's Diamond Neil Stewart Younger Mbunga-Kimpioka

I don't know how valid this comparison is what with injuries, transfers etc but it would appear that Leadbitter, Scowen, Gooch and Wyke had been able to force their ways into the full-strength line-up and that Diamond, Neil and Younger had managed to get on to the bench.
It would take a more profound analysis of all lineups for all competitions to draw more definitive conclusions but I would suggest that those players who got into the first team for the final were able to do it to a certain extent through their performances in the less important cup competitions.

I looked at the supposedly "full-strength" lineups for our first league match last year and that for the Pizza Cup final.

First League match:
Burge
Willis Wright Flanagan
O'Nien Dobson Power Hume
Maguire Grigg O'Brien
Subs
Wyke Gooch Scowen Graham Xhemajli Mathews Leadbitter

Pizza Cup Final:
Burge
Power Flanagan O'Nien McFadzean
Leadbitter Scowen Maguire
McGeady Wyke Gooch
Subs
McLaughlin Mathew's Diamond Neil Stewart Younger Mbunga-Kimpioka

I don't know how valid this comparison is what with injuries, transfers etc but it would appear that Leadbitter, Scowen, Gooch and Wyke had been able to force their ways into the full-strength line-up and that Diamond, Neil and Younger had managed to get on to the bench.
It would take a more profound analysis of all lineups for all competitions to draw more definitive conclusions but I would suggest that those players who got into the first team for the final were able to do it to a certain extent through their performances in the less important cup competitions.
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CissesUnderpants9 said:
The question i would have when he says long-term view, is how long, is long term, and does he have a timescale etc ?
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Its hardly rocket science the 'plan', but a minority of fans have bought the spin. Its essentially the same plan everyone else is using and that's find players with value at cost price and fit a favoured formation and each transfer window, you only sign players that fit the model and in military terms your reinforcing success and letting go the failure and eventually it will click. My guess on timescale was this season maybe a 50/50 chance of promotion and next season was the expectation.

The problem with long term views is the short term reality matters and if you find the formation, or plan doesn't work and your not really moving forward at all, then panic sets in and the change of manager. The clubs who stick with the plan despite the failure and in the subsequent season have the expectation and things still haven't panned out, you get an even greater panic sets in and really bad decisions are then made.
 
Chatsnoirs said:
Pizza Cup Final:
Burge
Power Flanagan O'Nien McFadzean
Leadbitter Scowen Maguire
McGeady Wyke Gooch
Subs
McLaughlin Mathew's Diamond Neil Stewart Younger Mbunga-Kimpioka
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I think that team was the strongest available at the time.

You just have to look at the bench to confirm it
 
andysafc24 said:
due to our stadium size and fan base we are very much a Premier League club being run in Division One. Certainly we could not attract a Premier League Manager or players.
The thing about LJ is he has managed in a level above us where he held his own for 4 years, but as I keep saying these slumps he has year after year will always cost him promotion at whichever League or team he is at. You can’t go 9 games without a win and expect to get promotion.
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stauadium size is completely irreleavnt..anyone can buold a big stadium..filling it on the other hand,,
 
Emcon said:
Its hardly rocket science the 'plan', but a minority of fans have bought the spin. Its essentially the same plan everyone else is using and that's find players with value at cost price and fit a favoured formation and each transfer window, you only sign players that fit the model and in military terms your reinforcing success and letting go the failure and eventually it will click. My guess on timescale was this season maybe a 50/50 chance of promotion and next season was the expectation.

The problem with long term views is the short term reality matters and if you find the formation, or plan doesn't work and your not really moving forward at all, then panic sets in and the change of manager. The clubs who stick with the plan despite the failure and in the subsequent season have the expectation and things still haven't panned out, you get an even greater panic sets in and really bad decisions are then made.
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Agreed.
 
Regarding the pepper pig pizza trophy we should’ve won it the first season down here as part of the donkey double. To still be down here is shameful but failing to win the donkey double every year we’ve been down is beyond embarrassing.
 
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