Put a flat earthier into space

[Kevj]

He’s consistent if nothing else.

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[Nukehasslefan]

Water can never curve inside a container....

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Pushed up the sides?
You may as well argue a water fall or whatever. Even argue a droplet like above.
You're showing atmospheric pressure upon the larger body of water that pushes the water down and up the edges of a container.
The overall water is flat and level.
You may as well argue for a washing up bubble laying on water.
Argue for a kid's bubble blower blowing bubbles into the air.

A body of water is flat and level when unhindered.

And what pressure would that be to move the seas over this area? Simple question all it needs is a simple answer which you have so far avoided.

Just a small amount over an entire area. It's pounds per square inch.

I will then look through the data for the measured atmospheric pressure and see what the actual variation is - if it is similar to your number then we have a piece of supporting evidence for your theory replacing gravity, that is how science works.

Let me try and give you an image to use in your mind and then go and try it out.
Get a bowl of water and cover it with a membrane or even a plastic clear bag and fasten the bag around the bowl so it's sort of air tight.
Think of this as a dome over your ocean.
Now you need to change the atmospheric pressure onto that water in the bowl.
To do this you only need to push down on the air bag a little and you'll compress the air towards the water which the water will resist but will be pushed up the side of the bowl.
The more pressure you apply the more the water is pushed up the bowl. It rises. A tide.
To drop the tide you simply release a bit of pressure. Simple.

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Far from it.

 

[ned_werby]

Started watching 'Universe' last night - the Brian Cox one. Wold love to know Daft Lad's take on it as an equally certified 'scientist'

 

[taipeisafc]

Pushed up the sides?
You may as well argue a water fall or whatever. Even argue a droplet like above.
You're showing atmospheric pressure upon the larger body of water that pushes the water down and up the edges of a container.
The overall water is flat and level.
You may as well argue for a washing up bubble laying on water.
Argue for a kid's bubble blower blowing bubbles into the air.

A body of water is flat and level when unhindered.

Just a small amount over an entire area. It's pounds per square inch.


Let me try and give you an image to use in your mind and then go and try it out.
Get a bowl of water and cover it with a membrane or even a plastic clear bag and fasten the bag around the bowl so it's sort of air tight.
Think of this as a dome over your ocean.
Now you need to change the atmospheric pressure onto that water in the bowl.
To do this you only need to push down on the air bag a little and you'll compress the air towards the water which the water will resist but will be pushed up the side of the bowl.
The more pressure you apply the more the water is pushed up the bowl. It rises. A tide.
To drop the tide you simply release a bit of pressure. Simple.

Far from it.

No it is nothing to do with atmospheric pressure it is to do with Surface tension of the water (mercury forms and mirror image meniscus) water "clings" to the walls of the vessel in which it sits forming a curve - ergo water can be curved. Water is never unhindered unless it is floating in zero gravity when I believe it forms a sphere as this is the optimal surface area / volume for and free flowing fluid. If the pressure above increases the water level will fall (if the pressure is high enough) but the meniscus stays the same.

You don't understand pressure - water isn't compressible but gas is when you squeeze down on the bag you will compress the air and you are effectively making a piston the water cannot rise as it is being pushed down evenly across the surface it has nowhere to go if you drive up the pressure in a small area then the water outside that area will rise (about 70 cm for each psig of pressure you add) and the water in that area will fall but this relies on sealing sections and is in fact a common method to transfer fluid (blowing a tank). If you had a pipe connected from this tank to another vessel open to atmosphere then the water would flow into that vessel, fluid mechanics and bernoulli's equation.

Your theory makes absolutely no sense and the more you look into it the more it makes less sense (the more you try and explain it the worse it gets) - atmospheric pressure does not cause global tides.

So the change in pressure is pounds per square inch - let us say 2 psi - this is 0.138 bar or 1.3m of water hence the maximum tidal change would be 1.38m (from low to high) as the pressure acting upon the surface cannot push any more than that level. I will have a look at the pressure data I have and see what the maximum measured atmospheric pressure change would be.

 

[legend7]

Only if you think there's a mountain hundreds of miles high and land mass just sits on it.

No I'm basing it on my sectional sketch that you said was a good representation and why water doesn't stick to slopes?

 

[taipeisafc]

You can open any number of pages in this thread and it’s the same content over and over.

I was thinking about his assertions so far :-

Gravity doesn't exist it is all dense mass
The earth isn't curved as water is flat, although it is shaped like a lemon squeezer so in fact it isn't flat so containers were added
Light and sound are the same thing the only difference in observation is due to perception
Light travels instantaneously there is no speed of light
The entire space program (all governmental and private stuff) is fake done with CGI
Nobody has been to outer space it is impossible
If you build two skyscrapers next to each other they will have a noticeable lean on a curved earth
Water does not stick to a tennis ball ergo the earth is not flat
There was something about any land with coast line being below sea level or something

any more to add?

 

[DPTT]

I was thinking about his assertions so far :-

Gravity doesn't exist it is all dense mass
The earth isn't curved as water is flat, although it is shaped like a lemon squeezer so in fact it isn't flat so containers were added
Light and sound are the same thing the only difference in observation is due to perception
Light travels instantaneously there is no speed of light
The entire space program (all governmental and private stuff) is fake done with CGI
Nobody has been to outer space it is impossible
If you build two skyscrapers next to each other they will have a noticeable lean on a curved earth
Water does not stick to a tennis ball ergo the earth is not flat
There was something about any land with coast line being below sea level or something

any more to add?

Sun and Moon don’t exist, they are reflections from an energy source at the centre of the flat (not flat) earth.
This huge hole has never been found.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

No it is nothing to do with atmospheric pressure it is to do with Surface tension of the water (mercury forms and mirror image meniscus) water "clings" to the walls of the vessel in which it sits forming a curve - ergo water can be curved.

Of course water can be curved. Itf you add energy to it.
A wave in the ocean is curved.
A body of water is flat and level.

Water is never unhindered unless it is floating in zero gravity when I believe it forms a sphere as this is the optimal surface area / volume for and free flowing fluid. If the pressure above increases the water level will fall (if the pressure is high enough) but the meniscus stays the same.

I agree water is never unhindered. There's always a pressure upon it. It's atmospheric pressure.
It will still stay flat and level and conform to a container it is placed in.
It will not stay looking level and conforming to an exterior of a curve especially a spinning ball in so called space.

You don't understand pressure - water isn't compressible

Water is compressible, it's just not anywhere near as compressible as gas.

but gas is when you squeeze down on the bag you will compress the air and you are effectively making a piston the water cannot rise as it is being pushed down evenly across the surface it has nowhere to go if you drive up the pressure in a small area then the water outside that area will rise (about 70 cm for each psig of pressure you add) and the water in that area will fall but this relies on sealing sections and is in fact a common method to transfer fluid (blowing a tank). If you had a pipe connected from this tank to another vessel open to atmosphere then the water would flow into that vessel, fluid mechanics and bernoulli's equation.

If you press down on the bag of air you will push down on the water and force that water up the sides of the bowl. Go and try it. This goes for anyone who wants to understand it from a different point of view.

Your theory makes absolutely no sense and the more you look into it the more it makes less sense (the more you try and explain it the worse it gets) - atmospheric pressure does not cause global tides.

It makes perfect sense to me but I accept it makes no sense to people like yourself who go with gravity as your force, somehow.

So the change in pressure is pounds per square inch - let us say 2 psi - this is 0.138 bar or 1.3m of water hence the maximum tidal change would be 1.38m (from low to high) as the pressure acting upon the surface cannot push any more than that level. I will have a look at the pressure data I have and see what the maximum measured atmospheric pressure change would be.

Let me just make something clear about the strength of atmosphere in terms of push.
A simple window clamp when evacuated of a small amount of pressure will be pushed against a window.
Try and get it off by force.
The magdeburg hemispheres. Evacuate a little pressure from them and try and use force to push then apart.

That's the power of atmospheric pressure and simple atmospheric pressure changes over large areas creates a strong pressure push onto a foundation.
If that foundation cannot resist it the foundation will move, whether it's a scale plate or a ocean. If you push down on an ocean in this manner you will create tides. You'll create the pressure build to force movement of water due to water being unable to fully resist that pressure and has to give, which a shore or a container provides, as in the bowl.

And so on.
No fictional gravity required.

 

[DaveH]

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No.
I say any water in any container will conform to it and be flat and level and can be proved with a simple spirit level or any levelling gadget there is.
Water does not curve unhindered.
You can have a small droplet of water that can be crushed by atmosphere around the edges but never curved inside a container. The surface of water is flat and level as a body.

So how do you actually do your experiment as ultimate proof? Fill a bath with water, put a spirit level on the surface and see a curve or not? Can you talk us through the steps because I’m really not getting how your experiment works,

 

[taipeisafc]

Of course water can be curved. Itf you add energy to it.
A wave in the ocean is curved.
A body of water is flat and level.


I agree water is never unhindered. There's always a pressure upon it. It's atmospheric pressure.
It will still stay flat and level and conform to a container it is placed in.
It will not stay looking level and conforming to an exterior of a curve especially a spinning ball in so called space.



Water is compressible, it's just not anywhere near as compressible as gas.


If you press down on the bag of air you will push down on the water and force that water up the sides of the bowl. Go and try it. This goes for anyone who wants to understand it from a different point of view.


It makes perfect sense to me but I accept it makes no sense to people like yourself who go with gravity as your force, somehow.


Let me just make something clear about the strength of atmosphere in terms of push.
A simple window clamp when evacuated of a small amount of pressure will be pushed against a window.
Try and get it off by force.
The magdeburg hemispheres. Evacuate a little pressure from them and try and use force to push then apart.

That's the power of atmospheric pressure and simple atmospheric pressure changes over large areas creates a strong pressure push onto a foundation.
If that foundation cannot resist it the foundation will move, whether it's a scale plate or a ocean. If you push down on an ocean in this manner you will create tides. You'll create the pressure build to force movement of water due to water being unable to fully resist that pressure and has to give, which a shore or a container provides, as in the bowl.

And so on.
No fictional gravity required.

You have just mentioned a couple of vacuum scenarios - vacuum is formed by removing gas from a sealed vessel this means there is a significant pressure acting on the outside as opposed to the inside :-

The force holding the hemispheres together was equal to the area bounded by the joint between the hemispheres, a

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with a diameter of 50 cm, multiplied by the difference in air pressure between the inside and the outside. It is unclear how strong a vacuum Guericke's pump was able to achieve, but if it was able to evacuate all of the air from the inside, the hemispheres would have been held together with a force of around 20,000

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; 2.2 ), equivalent to lifting a car or small ; a dramatic demonstration of the .

Key point is evacuate - you don't believe this can happen hence in your world magdeberg spheres don't work.

Pressure acts on an area - it acts evenly on an area in cannot act significantly on a small local area unless that area is contained hence in your dome the pressure would act across the entire ocean thus it would all go up and down evenly (by 138 cm between high and low tide based on the pressure wave bollocks you guessed earlier). A pressure of 1 psi is the same pressure whether it acts on 1 square inch or 1 square mile - the work required to make that pressure would change but the pressure is the same that is how pressure works and why it is always Force / unit area

And by the way you can't evacuate pressure - you can evacuate gas to generate a negative pressure you can't evacuate something which has no corporeal form.

 

[nahwee]

So how do you actually do your experiment as ultimate proof? Fill a bath with water, put a spirit level on the surface and see a curve or not? Can you talk us through the steps because I’m really not getting how your experiment works,

Good luck with that!

 

[Nukehasslefan]

No I'm basing it on my sectional sketch that you said was a good representation and why water doesn't stick to slopes?

I said yep.
It doesn't mean I've went into any detail on it.

So how do you actually do your experiment as ultimate proof? Fill a bath with water, put a spirit level on the surface and see a curve or not? Can you talk us through the steps because I’m really not getting how your experiment works,

Bing fixated with a bath and denying spirit levels work is your issue, not mine.

 

[What A Waster]

I was thinking about his assertions so far :-

Gravity doesn't exist it is all dense mass
The earth isn't curved as water is flat, although it is shaped like a lemon squeezer so in fact it isn't flat so containers were added
Light and sound are the same thing the only difference in observation is due to perception
Light travels instantaneously there is no speed of light
The entire space program (all governmental and private stuff) is fake done with CGI
Nobody has been to outer space it is impossible
If you build two skyscrapers next to each other they will have a noticeable lean on a curved earth
Water does not stick to a tennis ball ergo the earth is not flat
There was something about any land with coast line being below sea level or something

any more to add?

"They" are now lying about ocean depths.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You have just mentioned a couple of vacuum scenarios - vacuum is formed by removing gas from a sealed vessel this means there is a significant pressure acting on the outside as opposed to the inside :-

The force holding the hemispheres together was equal to the area bounded by the joint between the hemispheres, a

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with a diameter of 50 cm, multiplied by the difference in air pressure between the inside and the outside. It is unclear how strong a vacuum Guericke's pump was able to achieve, but if it was able to evacuate all of the air from the inside, the hemispheres would have been held together with a force of around 20,000

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(4,500

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; 2.2 ), equivalent to lifting a car or small ; a dramatic demonstration of the .

Key point is evacuate - you don't believe this can happen hence in your world magdeberg spheres don't work.

Pressure acts on an area - it acts evenly on an area in cannot act significantly on a small local area unless that area is contained hence in your dome the pressure would act across the entire ocean thus it would all go up and down evenly (by 138 cm between high and low tide based on the pressure wave bollocks you guessed earlier). A pressure of 1 psi is the same pressure whether it acts on 1 square inch or 1 square mile - the work required to make that pressure would change but the pressure is the same that is how pressure works and why it is always Force / unit area

And by the way you can't evacuate pressure - you can evacuate gas to generate a negative pressure you can't evacuate something which has no corporeal form.

Take a look at this.
Tell me, is it your gravity pulling the metal down or is it what it's telling us about atmospheric pressure crushing it down?

Now think about this over an area of ocean with the ocean trying to resist it.

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[What A Waster]

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We can argue this for as long as you want but oceans will be deep but not as deep as you're making out.
You're looking at it from a mountain view as if land is sitting near the top of a big mountain because you're looking at a big hump as if it hundreds of miles high or something.

If the earth is shaped like a lemon squeezer then the north Pacific would be much shallower than the south pacific. How would that not be the case?

 

[nahwee]

Let me try and give you an image to use in your mind and then go and try it out.
Get a bowl of water and cover it with a membrane or even a plastic clear bag and fasten the bag around the bowl so it's sort of air tight.
Think of this as a dome over your ocean.
Now you need to change the atmospheric pressure onto that water in the bowl.
To do this you only need to push down on the air bag a little and you'll compress the air towards the water which the water will resist but will be pushed up the side of the bowl.
The more pressure you apply the more the water is pushed up the bowl. It rises. A tide.
To drop the tide you simply release a bit of pressure. Simple.

Wrong.

It doesn’t.

 

[What A Waster]

Take a look at this.
Tell me, is it your gravity pulling the metal down or is it what it's telling us about atmospheric pressure crushing it down?

Now think about this over an area of ocean with the ocean trying to resist it.

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The man doesn't mention atmospheric pressure in the video of a video.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

If the earth is shaped like a lemon squeezer then the north Pacific would be much shallower than the south pacific. How would that not be the case?

Do you understand the set up is small incline towards the centre and towards the outer or north and south as you would perceive it to be.

The man doesn't mention atmospheric pressure in the video of a video.

So what do you think crushes the car. Gravity?
If so, how?

 

[nahwee]

So how do you actually do your experiment as ultimate proof? Fill a bath with water, put a spirit level on the surface and see a curve or not? Can you talk us through the steps because I’m really not getting how your experiment works,

Bing fixated with a bath and denying spirit levels work is your issue, not mine.

As I said, good luck with that!

 

[taipeisafc]

Take a look at this.
Tell me, is it your gravity pulling the metal down or is it what it's telling us about atmospheric pressure crushing it down?

Now think about this over an area of ocean with the ocean trying to resist it.

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Yet again - this is part of what I do for a living I size and design vacuum protection systems so please don't come at me with your utter crud. That looks to me like a classic steam / vapour collapse case the vessel is sealed and full of vapour then the vessel cools and the vapour condenses this leaves a large volume of "empty" space (1 kmol (or 18kg) of water vapour occupies approx 22.4 Nm3 at NTP and 1 kmol of liquid water occupies 0.018m3) so the pressure in the vessel drops as you have less vapour present and this causes an external pressure from the atmosphere to collapse the vessel (you can do it yourself with an old tin oil can) you only need a small external pressure on most vessels to collapse them a typical atmospheric stock tank you can suck in with 6 mbar of vacuum and you can do this with a foot pump. Go and read API 2000 or API 521 about vacuum relief. You literally have no clue what you are talking about please stop this utter charade as you look like a clown.

The ocean is WATER if the tank was full of water could the atmosphere crush it?