Put a flat earthier into space

[payne]

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Is this knacker still stringing people along?

surely it's wise to seed authority to the sage

 

[legend7]

I'm going to have to read this thread from the start aren't I? Unless someone can condense the flat earthers argument in a couple of sentences (which I assume is highly unlikely).

I can condense it.
He doesn't believe in maths or education it's all fairy stories.
He's probably on a wind up.
Or thick as f*ck or on heavy meds

 

[payne]

I can condense it.
He doesn't believe in maths or education it's all fairy stories.
He's probably on a wind up.
Or thick as f*ck or on heavy meds

I think it's worse if he's on a wide up. Being that sad to post every day is mental. At least if it's just an IQ issue it's not his fault.

 

[Kevj]

I'm sure you've evacuated a chamber of air at some stage.

Okay, now we are getting somewhere. How did you remove matter and to what extent? Did you work on a percentage basis or volume? You’re eluding to scientific experimentation here and I’m hoping we can reduce this to basic known components which can be replicated as factual or otherwise.

Is this knacker still stringing people along?

I move between ignoring him because it’s obviously a wind up and engaging with him due to utter frustration

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

Oh it's there. The model shows it.

Neither the model nor the diagram show it because it's not there.
The only person who claims it is there is you and you dont even believe there's a globe in the first place!

 

[SYB_DC]

This thread reads like what you'd get if you asked an overconfident meathead teenager who'd skipped every day of science class since age 8 to explain astronomy.

 

[DaveH]

I haven't been provided with anything that works. I've been shown diagrams of magical mysteries that supposedly work.
There is nothing in the so called space vacuum that can orientate a spinning globe in the fashion we've been shown in diagrams.

Magical mysteries . This voodoo I sacrificed many goats and virgins for, is called geometry. Only known to the wise old sages and those who sell their souls to satan.

 

[bernardbresslaw]

Ok, let's keep this simple. What does @Nukehasslefan think would happen if he left his house and walked in a perfectly straight line for about 25,000 miles?

I'd sponsor him mind.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I can condense it.
He doesn't believe in maths or education it's all fairy stories.

It depends on the maths and what is deemed, education.
If you think wild calculations are maths then you would be correct. But are wild calculations a real end product for the maths? Of course not. It's wild speculation and misinformation if any of it is passed off as a truth, without proof.
Which brings us to the other issue. Would that be education and if so, of what?


As for real stuff. There's real maths calculations and they work. There's real education for a lot of stuff.

It's just best to get it into perspective.

He's probably on a wind up.
Or thick as f*ck or on heavy meds

Maybe both or maybe none. You can choose, or maybe you already have. Either way, you're welcome.

I think it's worse if he's on a wide up. Being that sad to post every day is mental. At least if it's just an IQ issue it's not his fault.

They're just posts. They don't take up too much time, so try not to fret.

Okay, now we are getting somewhere. How did you remove matter and to what extent? Did you work on a percentage basis or volume? You’re eluding to scientific experimentation here and I’m hoping we can reduce this to basic known components which can be replicated as factual or otherwise.

I'l never know what percentage. A gauge will only work on what pressure is left not on what is still inside the chamber.
A very low pressure can be attained but you can never evacuate all of the matter inside the chamber and no gauge will be able to measure that because there's so little reactionary force on the matter inside.

Neither the model nor the diagram show it because it's not there.
The only person who claims it is there is you and you dont even believe there's a globe in the first place!

It's there but it takes people to actually see it, not people who won't.

Magical mysteries . This voodoo I sacrificed many goats and virgins for, is called geometry. Only known to the wise old sages and those who sell their souls to satan.

Geometry is fine if you're using it for realistic purposes.
Star distances and size are not part of it.

 

[taipeisafc]

Okay, now we are getting somewhere. How did you remove matter and to what extent? Did you work on a percentage basis or volume? You’re eluding to scientific experimentation here and I’m hoping we can reduce this to basic known components which can be replicated as factual or otherwise.


I move between ignoring him because it’s obviously a wind up and engaging with him due to utter frustration

You can't remove stuff from a vessel apparently (was stated earlier in this thread and I was lying about measuring the flow evacuated from a vessel which I do daily at work) it is just the contents of the vessel expanding and molecules moving further and further apart. Of course you can weigh a vessel full of gas and then pull vacuum on it and weight it again - the weight will drop as stuff has been removed from the vessel but that is just a fact, funnily enough the change in weight will be pretty close to that calculated using PV=nRT (where n is number of moles of gas present) but obviously this is merely coincidence and wrong. Of course looking at his post a bit earlier he seems to have changed his tune somewhat.

Geometry is fine if you're using it for realistic purposes.
Star distances and size are not part of it.

Why not? Geometry works irrespective of scale - the margin of uncertainty increases but still works, geometry is exactly that. A right angled triangle follows Pythagoras and Sin/Cos/Tan whether it is 10mm along the hypotenuse or 400,000,000,000 miles - the difficulty is measuring things accurately enough to get precise answers.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Why not? Geometry works irrespective of scale - the margin of uncertainty increases but still works, geometry is exactly that. A right angled triangle follows Pythagoras and Sin/Cos/Tan whether it is 10mm along the hypotenuse or 400,000,000,000 miles - the difficulty is measuring things accurately enough to get precise answers.

If star distances range from 323 light years from 434 light years then something is wrong and the measurements are wrong.
Let's make this simple.
If the star distances were correct then why do we get told the light we see from them is the light from the past that's just reached us?
How come this light is not enveloping us?
The stuff makes no sense except in the land of magical mysteries.

Like I said about geometry. It works for stuff that is genuinely observable with a reference point to use for measurement. No reference point, no measurement, except for wild wild speculation or simply misinfo or even disinfo.

 

[Kevj]

You can't remove stuff from a vessel apparently (was stated earlier in this thread and I was lying about measuring the flow evacuated from a vessel which I do daily at work) it is just the contents of the vessel expanding and molecules moving further and further apart. Of course you can weigh a vessel full of gas and then pull vacuum on it and weight it again - the weight will drop as stuff has been removed from the vessel but that is just a fact, funnily enough the change in weight will be pretty close to that calculated using PV=nRT (where n is number of moles of gas present) but obviously this is merely coincidence and wrong. Of course looking at his post a bit earlier he seems to have changed his tune somewhat.


Why not? Geometry works irrespective of scale - the margin of uncertainty increases but still works, geometry is exactly that. A right angled triangle follows Pythagoras and Sin/Cos/Tan whether it is 10mm along the hypotenuse or 400,000,000,000 miles - the difficulty is measuring things accurately enough to get precise answers.

I’m a structural engineer by profession and work with Newtonian principles on a daily basis, with all metric SI units being linked by mass and acceleration due to earth’s specific gravity.

The notion that measurement, geometry and atomic principles change at an arbitrary distance outside of whatever earth shape you believe in is nonsense.

We operate on using calculations and physics to predict with good levels of accuracy the strength or movement within structures. It’s great to undertake a design which performs exactly as the calculations predicted it would.

Where he can’t/ won’t engage with proven mathematical models, he also can’t provide substantiation of his own, so not only is he incapable of understanding how a global earth works, he is also unable/ incapable of providing a reasoned and auditable counter argument. Only ramblings.

 

[payne]

I’m a structural engineer by profession and work with Newtonian principles on a daily basis, with all metric SI units being linked by mass and acceleration due to earth’s specific gravity.

The notion that measurement, geometry and atomic principles change at an arbitrary distance outside of whatever earth shape you believe in is nonsense.

We operate on using calculations and physics to predict with good levels of accuracy the strength or movement within structures. It’s great to undertake a design which performs exactly as the calculations predicted it would.

Where he can’t/ won’t engage with proven mathematical models, he also can’t provide substantiation of his own, so not only is he incapable of understanding how a global earth works, he is also unable/ incapable of providing a reasoned and auditable counter argument. Only ramblings.

you're probably just an actor who's repeating the bollocks of fake maths the rest of us are fooled by because of big numbers and weird squiggles on your chalk board.

 

[Kevj]

If star distances range from 323 light years from 434 light years then something is wrong and the measurements are wrong.
Let's make this simple.
If the star distances were correct then why do we get told the light we see from them is the light from the past that's just reached us?
How come this light is not enveloping us?
The stuff makes no sense except in the land of magical mysteries.

Like I said about geometry. It works for stuff that is genuinely observable with a reference point to use for measurement. No reference point, no measurement, except for wild wild speculation or simply misinfo or even disinfo.

The distance doesn’t vary. Better techniques were used which changed the result and the recorded distance was amended. As we put sophisticated technology into space, we are able to undertake more precise measurements and older results become superseded.

There’s maps of the world that don’t include the Americas, but that doesn’t mean we live in a world were there is and isn’t this land mass. It’s just newer knowledge.

And as for geometry, why would a millimetre or 1degree be different here or a million light years away? The angles being measured to determine the distance of a star are fractions of a degree due to the relative distance, so accuracy is dependent on the precision of the equipment being used. The same way that tolerances apply with every day measuring equipment in workshops.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

It's there but it takes people to actually see it, not people who won't.

The irony.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I’m a structural engineer by profession and work with Newtonian principles on a daily basis, with all metric SI units being linked by mass and acceleration due to earth’s specific gravity.

The notion that measurement, geometry and atomic principles change at an arbitrary distance outside of whatever earth shape you believe in is nonsense.

We operate on using calculations and physics to predict with good levels of accuracy the strength or movement within structures. It’s great to undertake a design which performs exactly as the calculations predicted it would.

Where he can’t/ won’t engage with proven mathematical models, he also can’t provide substantiation of his own, so not only is he incapable of understanding how a global earth works, he is also unable/ incapable of providing a reasoned and auditable counter argument. Only ramblings.

Good on you being a structural engineer but being one doesn't validate any global Earth, nor does it validate gravity.

 

[Kevj]

Good on you being a structural engineer but being one doesn't validate any global Earth, nor does it validate gravity.

No, but it does substantiate the fundamentals of the mathematics used every day by thousands of engineers across the world who use Newtonian physics with accurate and measurable outcomes. The same principles which determine physics and the behaviour of planets, stars and other celestial bodies and all undertaken using maths which is peer reviewed for accuracy.

You’ve yet to demonstrate competence in any of the theories you’ve put forward or a reasoned argument why the accepted model is wrong. Just words.

 

[Ambivalent Dave]

Good on you being a structural engineer but being one doesn't validate any global Earth, nor does it validate gravity.

neither does being a gobshite wum on a messageboard validate the earth is flat

 

[Nukehasslefan]

The distance doesn’t vary. Better techniques were used which changed the result and the recorded distance was amended.

Better techniques?
We're talking over 100 light years or around 57 trillion miles of discrepancy just in those figures. It's so nonsensical it's actually sad to think we are made to swallow that garbage.

As we put sophisticated technology into space, we are able to undertake more precise measurements and older resulted become superseded.

No man made object will ever get into space. Not the space they tell us about, anyway.
The space vacuum sees to that. They kill off their own story by using a space vacuum.
Just remember the story of the stars. We see the light from stars as they were in the past, as we're told. So how can anything be measured?
let's just take this polaris so called star at the brand new calculated distance of 323 light years. We see that light as it was 323 years ago. This is what we're told. We see 323 years into the past by looking at the pinpoint light. And people are made to swallow it because those big genius science astronomers and theoretical physicists said so.

Dazzle us with brilliance and baffle us all with utter bull****......IMO.

There’s maps of the world that don’t include the Americas, but that doesn’t mean we live in a world were there is and isn’t this land mass. It’s just newer knowledge.

No issue with changing maps of Earth.
We have better aerial visuals and tech to physically marry a lot of stuff up.
I have no issues with it.

Using this against using stars is (cough) light years apart. (pun intended).

And as for geometry, why would a millimetre or 1degree be different here or a million light years away?

Can you elaborate on what you're trying to get across?

The angles being measured to determine the distance of a star are fractions of a degree due to the relative distance, so accuracy is dependent on the precision of the equipment being used. The same way that tolerances apply with every day measuring equipment in workshops.

No issue with workshops and tolerances. Like I said with physical things with a reference point. No issue.

No, but it does substantiate the fundamentals of the mathematics used every day by thousands of engineers across the world who use Newtonian physics with accurate and measurable outcomes.

What is Newtonian physics?
Is it gravity?
If gravity is involved then you could easily explain what it is, right?
You can also explain how it works with your job, right?

If you can then I'd like to see it.
If you refuse then no issue.

The same principles which determine physics and the behaviour of planets, stars and other celestial bodies and all undertaken using maths which is peer reviewed for accuracy.

Peer reviewed for accuracy?
Wasn't the polaris star peer reviewed for accuracy before it was altered to be over 100 light years less?

You’ve yet to demonstrate competence in any of the theories you’ve put forward or a reasoned argument why the accepted model is wrong. Just words.

You've yet to demonstrate competence in anything you've put forward, so what are you after?

neither does being a gobshite wum on a messageboard validate the earth is flat

Nor does it validate a global Earth from your side, either.

 

[taipeisafc]

If star distances range from 323 light years from 434 light years then something is wrong and the measurements are wrong.
Let's make this simple.
If the star distances were correct then why do we get told the light we see from them is the light from the past that's just reached us?
How come this light is not enveloping us?
The stuff makes no sense except in the land of magical mysteries.

Like I said about geometry. It works for stuff that is genuinely observable with a reference point to use for measurement. No reference point, no measurement, except for wild wild speculation or simply misinfo or even disinfo.

Absolute drivel - you didn't read my earlier post about arcseconds - read this

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