NUFC/Sportwashing

[Grumpy Old Man]

This happens all the time in football. Its called surrounding yourself by people who dont know what they are doing and making very poor decisions. You're correct, he was never ever ever even close to being a 20 million player, let alone 40. Just a bad signing, made without any real thought or process behind it.

Thinking back to the pressure Ashley was under then, it was probably a case of "sign up two South Americans quick, for the more money the better". The more easily impressed of your lot would immediately think "They're South American and geet expensive, so they'll be mint". Result - pressure off.

 

[weebil64]

Yep she’s only 16 and knocking about with a load of blokes in their 40s and 50s so some have called him a nonce .
It’s the Holly and Steve show tonight

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Skips and Bins Shittip appropriate.

 

[Sabre Mag]

Thinking back to the pressure Ashley was under then, it was probably a case of "sign up two South Americans quick, for the more money the better". The more easily impressed of your lot would immediately think "They're South American and geet expensive, so they'll be mint". Result - pressure off.

Aye could be something in it. My take on that deal in particular was that it was was a bit of an FU to Benitez who never wanted him and had just left for China after complaining about a lack of transfer funds. It was just so left field.

Regardless of the truth of how and why it came to pass, I would say it's probably the worst signing the club has made of all time.

 

[Sombrero]

baffling. Perhaps there is a trail of money somewhere going out of football and back into big Mike’s pocket via some Brazilian agent somewhere. I think Ashley must be telling Bruce they have to play him aswell to try and keep his value somehow, as he seems to play every game. No wonder Gayle is doing his nut

Sounds spot on to me.

 

[faith brothers]

Skips and Bins Shittip appropriate.

Funeral directors as well

 

[Deleted member 6694]

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A blast from the past at the end....made of sticks and thought he was retired ages ago.

Where has the £62.7m in cash come from as it was just £14m in 2019?

I see the NET debt is now just £44.2m down from £97.5m in 2019. I thought Ashley was running them into the ground?

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[Sabre Mag]

Where has the £62.7m in cash come from as it was just £14m in 2019?

I see the NET debt is now just £44.2m down from £97.5m in 2019. I thought Ashley was running them into the ground?

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To be fair the argument isn't that Ashley is running us into the ground financially. It's quite the opposite in fact, it's that he runs a club at the bare minimum for him to build profits. It's a separate argument as to whether you either believe it to be the case at all or feel that is a sensible way to run a club.

 

[Deleted member 6694]

To be fair the argument isn't that Ashley is running us into the ground financially. It's quite the opposite in fact, it's that he runs a club at the bare minimum for him to build profits. It's a separate argument as to whether you either believe it to be the case at all or feel that is a sensible way to run a club.

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I believe that Newcastle United are finally in the last chance saloon and without a takeover the club are on the verge of going under. Some might argue that it is hardly worth worrying about because we have no intention of competing anyway. Mike Ashley began strangling the life out of Newcastle United 14 years ago and I have no doubt that after all the EPL payments (that are primarily meant to strengthen and sustain clubs) he will eventually call it a day and cash in his chips once and for all.

 

[Sabre Mag]

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I believe that Newcastle United are finally in the last chance saloon and without a takeover the club are on the verge of going under. Some might argue that it is hardly worth worrying about because we have no intention of competing anyway. Mike Ashley began strangling the life out of Newcastle United 14 years ago and I have no doubt that after all the EPL payments (that are primarily meant to strengthen and sustain clubs) he will eventually call it a day and cash in his chips once and for all.

Is that going under in terms of finances or just as a competitive ambitious team? I haven't heard many people say they feel that Ashley will take us to administration, and there's no evidence that this is what he wants. There is always the danger he does what Short did with yourselves and just says no more.

 

[Deleted member 6694]

Is that going under in terms of finances or just as a competitive ambitious team? I haven't heard many people say they feel that Ashley will take us to administration, and there's no evidence that this is what he wants. There is always the danger he does what Short did with yourselves and just says no more.

Football is so much more a business than it was years ago when spending money willy nilly was more common place. What a few clubs do now is spend more wisely and under Short we pissed away millions on players and wages and got little in return. The Mags have down well over the years buying/selling (Joelinton aside) yet many moan on about NET spend. That's mainly because NUFC sometimes made decent money from player sales. If NUFC hadn't recouped as much and they had a bigger NET spend, would those moaning about NET spend be happy with you transfer trading?

As that True Faith article asks, is it worth spending the extra millions to get a place or two higher up the league? I'm no financial expert but it looks like NUFC were £50m better off DEBT wise. What happens if the debt is wiped out in a few seasons? That money paying the debt off would become available surely?

That’s pretty grim reading?

Not really. The finances of all clubs have suffered as a result of Covid. Comparisons to previous years are therefore fairly meaningless. What provides a better insight is a comparison to other clubs. NUFC’s loss was comparatively light relative to the rest of the PL (see table below). Ashley no doubt noting that Everton’s eye-watering loss of £140m secured them a League Table position exactly one place above Newcastle!

 

[Sabre Mag]

Football is so much more a business than it was years ago when spending money willy nilly was more common place. What a few clubs do now is spend more wisely and under Short we pissed away millions on players and wages and got little in return. The Mags have down well over the years buying/selling (Joelinton aside) yet many moan on about NET spend. That's mainly because NUFC sometimes made decent money from player sales. If NUFC hadn't recouped as much and they had a bigger NET spend, would those moaning about NET spend be happy with you transfer trading?

As that True Faith article asks, is it worth spending the extra millions to get a place or two higher up the league?

That’s pretty grim reading?

Not really. The finances of all clubs have suffered as a result of Covid. Comparisons to previous years are therefore fairly meaningless. What provides a better insight is a comparison to other clubs. NUFC’s loss was comparatively light relative to the rest of the PL (see table below). Ashley no doubt noting that Everton’s eye-watering loss of £140m secured them a League Table position exactly one place above Newcastle!

I think what other clubs have proved is that it's both possible to be sound as a business but also have aims beyond just surviving in the PL year on year, and as a fan it's shite supporting a club with solely that sporting aim. Sunderland fans know that feeling as well as anyone. I don't think those two things need to be separate.

 

[Mackem2017]

Think he’s missing the point about the sinister nature of making lists of twitter users and their real names and putting them on a list. Creepy fcker

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Oh please please please haha

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[Sabre Mag]

Think he’s missing the point about the sinister nature of making lists of twitter users and their real names and putting them on a list. Creepy fcker

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Oh please please please haha

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It would do alot of people a very big favour if they did just buy someone else to be fair like.

 

[tunstallhill]

I think what other clubs have proved is that it's both possible to be sound as a business but also have aims beyond just surviving in the PL year on year, and as a fan it's shite supporting a club with solely that sporting aim. Sunderland fans know that feeling as well as anyone. I don't think those two things need to be separate.

how do you know the club aren't aiming for more than that? according to that statement i read the other week from your club, he injected £120m into the club for transfers etc.. its just been spent on poor players.

if he never spent anything at all then you might have an argument.

 

[Mackem2017]

It would do alot of people a very big favour if they did just buy someone else to be fair like.

Yep it will stop stupid tweets from Crazy Caz. Describes herself as a fun loving Geordie, hate to see what she’d be like if she was a little uptight.

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[BigPete]

Think he’s missing the point about the sinister nature of making lists of twitter users and their real names and putting them on a list. Creepy fcker

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Oh please please please haha

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Gutted didn't make the list
You on @Exile 1968 ?
Funny thing is one of them could easily say to pals kick the fuck out of me..

Go to Police and say it was him he even named me online.

Thick as whale spunk.

 

[Sabre Mag]

how do you know the club aren't aiming for more than that? according to that statement i read the other week from your club, he injected £120m into the club for transfers etc.. its just been spent on poor players.

if he never spent anything at all then you might have an argument.

I look at the evidence I see. Poor managerial appointments, a lack of investment in the stadium and more importantly the training facilities. Poor decision making, for example allowing Gayle a 3 year extension when he never plays as a means of cutting costs. Anything he puts into the club he will get back and more, which is his right as a business owner with his money, however, that could be done whilst making better decisions that could actually save money longer term, IE if adding another striker at 10 million keeps you in the league he will actually make you money, whilst showing some understanding of the limitations of the squad.

Surely I could have said the same to you about Ellis Short, whe you were buying Rodwell etc. At what point did you recognise that you were essentially a club seeking to just survive?

 

[Mackem2017]

Gutted didn't make the list
You on @Exile 1968 ?
Funny thing is one of them could easily say to pals kick the fuck out of me..

Go to Police and say it was him he even named me online.

Thick as whale spunk.

It was last years list Exile may be on 2021’s

 

[Sabre Mag]

Yep it will stop stupid tweets from Crazy Caz. Describes herself as a fun loving Geordie, hate to see what she’d be like if she was a little uptight.

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If you need to describe yourself as "fun loving" or any such similar name then you probably are someone I would avoid. Not many humans don't love some fun surely

 

[SaintJude]

This is comedy gold

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