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Put a flat earthier into space

Where did you observe this from?

So you think a pressure wave will come right back in a circular wave back to the centre?
If the observations were his own would that make the video more valid. Would it prove that Jupiter is a spinning changing planet?
Of course if you look at it like that then it's obvious you won't understand it.
Absolutely. I openly admit that I will never understand anything that is not true, there is no evidence for and loads of evidence against. Perhaps you could explain the basis of this theory and how it can be demonstrated to be true?
 
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If the observations were his own would that make the video more valid. Would it prove that Jupiter is a spinning changing planet?
It doesn't matter whether I think it's valid or not. I just want to see the amateur photo's against the one's we are shown by so called experts who then go on to say, oh we had to add in this and that to show how it would be in colour.


So what is it?
What do you see with your scope?

Absolutely. I openly admit that I will never understand anything that is not true, there is no evidence for and loads of evidence against. Perhaps you could explain the basis of this theory and how it can be demonstrated to be true?
The basis of the theory is simple.
You can't have light or heat without friction and you can't have friction without sound, because sound is vibration and frequency just as light is...and heat.

There's a reason you're told about thunder and lightning and seeing the light before hearing the thunder.
It takes a longer time for the sound to hit our ear drums and vibrate than it does to see the light that is the immediate product of that sound/vibration and frequency.
 
It doesn't matter whether I think it's valid or not. I just want to see the amateur photo's against the one's we are shown by so called experts who then go on to say, oh we had to add in this and that to show how it would be in colour.


So what is it?
What do you see with your scope?


The basis of the theory is simple.
You can't have light or heat without friction and you can't have friction without sound, because sound is vibration and frequency just as light is...and heat.

There's a reason you're told about thunder and lightning and seeing the light before hearing the thunder.
It takes a longer time for the sound to hit our ear drums and vibrate than it does to see the light that is the immediate product of that sound/vibration and frequency.
I see Jupiter spinning, and changing, just like THEY say it does. I see the moons in orbit, changing from night to night, occasionally passing behind and occasionally passing in front. It is either a globe with objects in orbit or it is a fake of exactly how a gaseous globe would behave with other objects in orbit.

I forgot about your "theory" that you can't have light or heat without friction.

Pour some meths into a small metal container, put a flame over the top. Heat & light with no friction or sound.

At school, one example of an exothermic reaction was to add water to anhydrous copper sulphate. Not only does it change colour, it generates heat. No sound or friction.

Burning any gas. No friction or sound.

Burning magnesium, really bright light, no sound.

Thunder and lightening is not just following what I've been told, idiot. It is an effect almost everyone observes. If there was such a massive delay between the human brain processing light and sound, then we would have massive lip sync issues just talking to someone. You can record thunder and lightening with a camera and see frame by frame that the sound track doesn't match by a long way, but anyone talking into the camera does.

You can block sound but not light. You can block light but not sound.

Again a musing with no evidence for it and so much evidence against.

What will your daily failed musing be tomorrow?
Anyway, some discussion for us normal folk (anyone else, yeah yeah, I know, maths is faked, bowing to authority, work of the lizard people blah blah), there was some discussion about the drop over the horizon as objects got more distant. Basically how much of the base of the object would disappear with distance.

Just because it is a new thing I've discovered and have been wanting to learn more, I modelled it with Geogebra:

The observer is at point A and their apparent horizon (assuming level ground) is the green dotted line. B is where the object is and the distance along the surface is marked in red as d=xxx. You can drag B about. The perpendicular drop between the horizon line and the location of B is marked in blue. You can zoom in to put in values more in line with the view of the tiny fraction of the earth we have, just use a scroll wheel.

At the top you can drag the slider to change the radius of the planet or hit the Earth Radius button to set our radius in miles (all measurements are in miles). Underneath that there are two values. There is measured drop. Basically the app is drawing a line between the horizon and B, then by some internal method, perhaps it's own internal scaling, working out how long that line is. Below that is the calculation with the formula I came up with, drop = r - cos (d/r), where r is the radius of the planet and d is the surface distance between the two objects.

There is no random squaring of distances.
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Annoying it has merged those two posts made an hour apart, but it never puts a gap in or allows and edit, because the first was made more than 5 minutes ago.
 
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This is impressive.

Gets pinned down about tides and waves.
Says light comes from sound.

Diversion.

I love it
If you want to carry on about tides then go for it.
I'm far from pinned down, but let me explain this.
I'm getting people coming at me with all kinds of stuff so forgive me if I miss a few.
I see Jupiter spinning, and changing, just like THEY say it does. I see the moons in orbit, changing from night to night, occasionally passing behind and occasionally passing in front. It is either a globe with objects in orbit or it is a fake of exactly how a gaseous globe would behave with other objects in orbit.
It behaves exactly how a gaseous globe would behave?
A gaseous globe.
Any idea what's keeping those gases showing the different colours and layers, pl;us the big red eye?

We've been through this one before.
A so called gaseous globe that apparently is made up of 99% hydrogen and helium.
Hmmmm.
Hydrogen and helium are colourless gases...but not on jupiter...eh?

Those so called called scientists are taking the pee out of us lot.
I forgot about your "theory" that you can't have light or heat without friction.

Pour some meths into a small metal container, put a flame over the top. Heat & light with no friction or sound.

Heat and light with no friction or sound to your observation.
Do you think your hearing is that good?
The reason it lights up is due to friction. Massive expansion of molecules.

At school, one example of an exothermic reaction was to add water to anhydrous copper sulphate. Not only does it change colour, it generates heat. No sound or friction. Burning any gas. No friction or sound. Burning magnesium, really bright light, no sound.

It generates both. You simply cannot hear certain reactions with the naked ear.
It's all friction/vibration and frequency plus the force applied.

Thunder and lightening is not just following what I've been told, idiot. It is an effect almost everyone observes. If there was such a massive delay between the human brain processing light and sound, then we would have massive lip sync issues just talking to someone.
Maybe you need to pay more attention.
You see the light before you hear the sound that created it.


You can record thunder and lightening with a camera and see frame by frame that the sound track doesn't match by a long way, but anyone talking into the camera does.

You're way off track with this.
 
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A glass of blackcurrant squash is 99% water. What colour does it appear?

So are you seriously saying that if a camera filmed a thunderstorm, the frame with lightening would coincide with the audio track of thunder?

Light and sound being the same thing is just stupid. Some things will produce both light and sound but that does not mean they are the same thing. Things produce light without sound, things produce sound without light. You have taken a couple of observations, pinned one daft idea to it without any experimentation, ignored all evidence against and preach it as truth. Or at least use it for reactions by telling us normal folk we are the stupid mistaken ones.

They used to think the reason swallows disappeared in winter was because they slept at the bottom of ponds, by much the same reasoning.

Can you find evidence of one single person agreeing with you?
 
A glass of blackcurrant squash is 99% water. What colour does it appear?

So are you seriously saying that if a camera filmed a thunderstorm, the frame with lightening would coincide with the audio track of thunder?

Light and sound being the same thing is just stupid. Some things will produce both light and sound but that does not mean they are the same thing. Things produce light without sound, things produce sound without light. You have taken a couple of observations, pinned one daft idea to it without any experimentation, ignored all evidence against and preach it as truth. Or at least use it for reactions by telling us normal folk we are the stupid mistaken ones.

They used to think the reason swallows disappeared in winter was because they slept at the bottom of ponds, by much the same reasoning.

Can you find evidence of one single person agreeing with you?
If anyone agrees with him they would be going on authority. He can't use that as evidence.
 
It behaves exactly how a gaseous globe would behave?
A gaseous globe.
Any idea what's keeping those gases showing the different colours and layers, pl;us the big red eye?
That's the 50km-deep layer of clouds and storms in the atmosphere ABOVE the surface of Jupiter, not the surface of Jupiter itself that you're talking about.

We've been through this one before.
A so called gaseous globe that apparently is made up of 99% hydrogen and helium.
Hmmmm.
Hydrogen and helium are colourless gases...but not on jupiter...eh?

Those so called called scientists are taking the pee out of us lot.

See above.

This might help...

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So are you seriously saying that if a camera filmed a thunderstorm, the frame with lightening would coincide with the audio track of thunder?

Nope. It's better if you pay attention to what I did say.
Light and sound being the same thing is just stupid.
You do not get light unless you have friction. You do not get friction without vibration. You do not get friction and vibration without sound, whether audible to us or other animals, insects....etc.
The point is, light is the product of what made it which is vibrational frequencies or friction and frequency of it, plus the energy required for it to be.

Some things will produce both light and sound but that does not mean they are the same thing.
I believe they are.

Things produce light without sound, things produce sound without light.
Yep but only to our own eyes and ears.
You have taken a couple of observations, pinned one daft idea to it without any experimentation, ignored all evidence against and preach it as truth.
Nope. You have to look on anything I say as merely theory or nuts or whatever....but looking on it as me offering a fact...it's not the case, as I've mentioned time and time and time and time again.



They used to think the reason swallows disappeared in winter was because they slept at the bottom of ponds, by much the same reasoning.

Lots of people reason and lots end up wrong. Some end up right when some thought they were wrong. The nature of the beast within us.
Can you find evidence of one single person agreeing with you?
I absolutely do not care who agrees with me. It's up to each individual to decide if they get something out of it, or nothing.
There could be many watching that may be saying "hmmmm, I wonder."

My stuff is way out of most people's attention span and I'm fully aware and accept that I'll be looked upon as an absolute nutter like you lot remind me from time to time.
That's the 50km-deep layer of clouds and storms in the atmosphere ABOVE the surface of Jupiter, not the surface of Jupiter itself that you're talking about.



See above.

This might help...


So the gases just happen to never change?
Is this drawing an accurate representation of jupiter and if so, how was it done?
 
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It is interesting to watch the responses over the last couple of days. Just when we thought the "theories" could not get any stupider we have had the undetectable pressure waves of yesterday and "light is caused by friction because it is sound", madness of today. It has taken on a whole new level of being completely wrong.

But note the change in tone. As I said earlier both are provable to be not true, so there change in language has been to double down on it. It is a much more forceful tone of I am right, you can't understand, you don't have the attention span. Basically, I'm right you are a bit slow and stupid for not following me. Many of the posts like "You just don't understand" is throwing back pretty much what I said to him a few days ago.

Fair enough I admit to that. There are a few responses where I look at the collection of words on the screen and stare blankly at the screen. I think to some of the covid discussions. Say someone blames one age group, I might look at the data and say "well I don't agree, there has been an increase in that group, but actually they are the 4th biggest group of cases" and then we discuss. There is some common ground there and some of it is interpretation or gut feeling on what it means.

I don't know about anyone else feels, but I look at some of the posts and because so much of it is fantasy physical built on fantasy, built on more fantasy it is just lost on me. My son will often rabbit on at me about Minecraft and ask me a question about properties of different block types and my preference. I have to just listen, not and say I don't know. Never played Minecraft, never wanted to. English words with no collective meaning because of zero frame of reference for me. This made up physics that bears no resemblance to reality is the same.

What is interesting though is how deep the conspiracy actually goes. Is the conspiracy just hiding the flat earth and pushing the global model or are there more and more conspiracies blinding us to any "real" science. We have been making pressure meters of some kind or another for hundreds of years. Have these all be doctored or the results faked to hide these magic pressure waves? Why were we hiding for centuries before Newton's theory of gravity, only to lead people down that path when it came along? Why has all work on light, sound and friction been faked to make us think it is different? Why can we do these experiments that show they behave very differently? Why have these things been made to trick us and why does every country in the world go along with it?

It stops being about being right and wrong, it is about why so many many things, basically any science or maths been designed to fool us. Is there anything we can trust? Even figuring things out ourselves, because some of us have had an education, we are brainwashed into one path that only the free thinkers can really follow.

The whole conspiracy model takes on so many layers and basically becomes a level where all human knowledge is faked but fed to us as a known lie for reasons.

Or complete paranoid bollocks.
 
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Where did you observe this from?

So you think a pressure wave will come right back in a circular wave back to the centre?
This isn't my video but I have observed it firsthand when South Tyneside Colleges Telescope was in working order. You can do the same with any decent telescope starting at about 800 quid
 
It is interesting to watch the responses over the last couple of days. Just when we thought the "theories" could not get any stupider we have had the undetectable pressure waves of yesterday and "light is caused by friction because it is sound", madness of today. It has taken on a whole new level of being completely wrong.

But note the change in tone. As I said earlier both are provable to be not true, so there change in language has been to double down on it. It is a much more forceful tone of I am right, you can't understand, you don't have the attention span. Basically, I'm right you are a bit slow and stupid for not following me. Many of the posts like "You just don't understand" is throwing back pretty much what I said to him a few days ago.

Fair enough I admit to that. There are a few responses where I look at the collection of words on the screen and stare blankly at the screen. I think to some of the covid discussions. Say someone blames one age group, I might look at the data and say "well I don't agree, there has been an increase in that group, but actually they are the 4th biggest group of cases" and then we discuss. There is some common ground there and some of it is interpretation or gut feeling on what it means.

I don't know about anyone else feels, but I look at some of the posts and because so much of it is fantasy physical built on fantasy, built on more fantasy it is just lost on me. My son will often rabbit on at me about Minecraft and ask me a question about properties of different block types and my preference. I have to just listen, not and say I don't know. Never played Minecraft, never wanted to. English words with no collective meaning because of zero frame of reference for me. This made up physics that bears no resemblance to reality is the same.

What is interesting though is how deep the conspiracy actually goes. Is the conspiracy just hiding the flat earth and pushing the global model or are there more and more conspiracies blinding us to any "real" science. We have been making pressure meters of some kind or another for hundreds of years. Have these all be doctored or the results faked to hide these magic pressure waves? Why were we hiding for centuries before Newton's theory of gravity, only to lead people down that path when it came along? Why has all work on light, sound and friction been faked to make us think it is different? Why can we do these experiments that show they behave very differently? Why have these things been made to trick us and why does every country in the world go along with it?

It stops being about being right and wrong, it is about why so many many things, basically any science or maths been designed to fool us. Is there anything we can trust? Even figuring things out ourselves, because some of us have had an education, we are brainwashed into one path that only the free thinkers can really follow.

The whole conspiracy model takes on so many layers and basically becomes a level where all human knowledge is faked but fed to us as a known lie for reasons.

Or complete paranoid bollocks.
In a way am enjoying this thread🤷‍♂️
I don’t claim to be very knowledgeable and have enjoyed reading the “scientific” responses from all you lot who have the education and experience.
In a weird way am looking forward to @Nukehasslefan responses as not in a million years could I come up with his “musings” on how our planet and the universe works.
What’s kind of disappointing is his complete flat refusal to accept any research, findings and accepted science over the last few thousand years which obviously works as we are continually evolving.
His play that it’s all a fraud does not make sense at all.
 
So you observed jupiter with those colours you showed me?
Yes, try looking for a local astronomy club, you often find they do trips to Kielder, most people would be more than happy to point their telescopes at Jupiter or Saturn for you so you can see for yourself without any great expense.
 
Yes, try looking for a local astronomy club, you often find they do trips to Kielder, most people would be more than happy to point their telescopes at Jupiter or Saturn for you so you can see for yourself without any great expense.

Sounds like they're all in on it to further the lie.
It'll just be a video screen at the end of the tube.
 
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