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The Fish said:
:lol: Not being funny but not winning a cup, or losing six games against you lot isn't as big a deal as you think it is.
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why aye man yous have been in one massive hissy fit about it for 7 years

like i've said various times on the thread, the one and only thing your 'supporters' have yet to try and do to bring success to the club, is actually just support them for a while. get behind the manager, get behind the players, stop all the campaigns and protests, and just support them.

it only take a few decent results and performances to create a 'feel-good' factor around the club, and when that happens at north east clubs (albeit usually for a short period of time) its phenomenal.

yous have forgotten, or abandoned, what the fundamentals of following your local club is all about. there is absolutely zero enjoyment emanating from Newcastle's support for the past 10 years, it must breed into the DNA of the club, and eat away at those within the club that actually try deliver
 

tunstallhill said:
why aye man yous have been in one massive hissy fit about it for 7 years

like i've said various times on the thread, the one and only thing your 'supporters' have yet to try and do to bring success to the club, is actually just support them for a while. get behind the manager, get behind the players, stop all the campaigns and protests, and just support them.

it only take a few decent results and performances to create a 'feel-good' factor around the club, and when that happens at north east clubs (albeit usually for a short period of time) its phenomenal.

yous have forgotten, or abandoned, what the fundamentals of following your local club is all about. there is absolutely zero enjoyment emanating from Newcastle's support for the past 10 years, it must breed into the DNA of the club, and eat away at those within the club that actually try deliver
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There've been whole seasons of enjoyment, man. We enjoyed the season where we finished 5th, Championship and we enjoyed the 2 seasons with Benitez in charge, even when the football wasn't... thrilling.

The apathy and misery around the club isn't because the fans don't sing and clap, it's because, for the most part, Ashley's time has been pretty f***ing miserable. Bad managerial appointments, poor recruitment strategy, lack of joined-up thinking and a lot of shit football. Shit as in ill-considered and poorly organised, not just boring. Kinnear, Shearer, Pardew, Carver, McClaren, and now Bruce.

You're right, the feel good factor around both our clubs can be amazing, but we all need something to be excited about and frankly, what's to be excited about at Newcastle? Shit manager, getting mostly shit football out of a team of mostly average players. Lofty ambition of survival on the cheap. Early exits from the cups. No indication that anything is going to change unless Ashley sells, which isn't looking likely either. Doesn't really get the pulse racing, does it?

Look at how your new owners have turned the frowns upside down on Wearside. Because they're showing ambition. Every fanbase wants their club to be the best version of itself it can be. No reason Newcastle can't be better than a club who's sole ambition is to survive.
 
Market Where? said:
Can somebody explain what is actually going on? What’s the arbitration stuff? What might be the outcome? And haven’t the Saudis completely pulled out?
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The arbitration is meaningless, doomed to fail and a way for Ashley to keep gullible fans in hope, and a way of deflecting from another relegation battle and lack of investment in the squad.

And the Saudis have pulled out and did ages ago.
 
Sabre Mag said:
The arbitration is meaningless, doomed to fail and a way for Ashley to keep gullible fans in hope, and a way of deflecting from another relegation battle and lack of investment in the squad.

And the Saudis have pulled out and did ages ago.
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That’s what I was thinking but I was talking to a mag last night who is a sensible one - they do exist - and he reckoned it’ll all be great, the EPL has admitted that the big 6 stopped the takeover, and the Saudis are just waiting.
 
The Fish said:
There've been whole seasons of enjoyment, man. We enjoyed the season where we finished 5th, Championship and we enjoyed the 2 seasons with Benitez in charge, even when the football wasn't... thrilling.

The apathy and misery around the club isn't because the fans don't sing and clap, it's because, for the most part, Ashley's time has been pretty f***ing miserable. Bad managerial appointments, poor recruitment strategy, lack of joined-up thinking and a lot of shit football. Shit as in ill-considered and poorly organised, not just boring. Kinnear, Shearer, Pardew, Carver, McClaren, and now Bruce.

You're right, the feel good factor around both our clubs can be amazing, but we all need something to be excited about and frankly, what's to be excited about at Newcastle? Shit manager, getting mostly shit football out of a team of mostly average players. Lofty ambition of survival on the cheap. Early exits from the cups. No indication that anything is going to change unless Ashley sells, which isn't looking likely either. Doesn't really get the pulse racing, does it?

Look at how your new owners have turned the frowns upside down on Wearside. Because they're showing ambition. Every fanbase wants their club to be the best version of itself it can be. No reason Newcastle can't be better than a club who's sole ambition is to survive.
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Shearer and Carver were only caretakers iirc.
At the time McLaren was highly thought of.
Pardew did a good job.
Bruce is know worse (performance wise) than Rafa.
 
Blyth said:
Only net spend when it suits them
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It'd be a good argument if the figures in the graph there weren't bollocks. They sold Lejeune and got 40% of the Adam Armstrong transfer fee. Then they agreed to pay for Willock in yearly instalments. Saying they spent £22m and recouped nothing is nonsense.

Add to that they wouldn't pay for another club's fringe player to come on loan because they couldn't shift a player the other way. I've easily got the money for a season ticket, but I'm not paying them to watch a team made of others' castoffs.
 
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The Fish said:
There've been whole seasons of enjoyment, man. We enjoyed the season where we finished 5th, Championship and we enjoyed the 2 seasons with Benitez in charge, even when the football wasn't... thrilling.

The apathy and misery around the club isn't because the fans don't sing and clap, it's because, for the most part, Ashley's time has been pretty f***ing miserable. Bad managerial appointments, poor recruitment strategy, lack of joined-up thinking and a lot of shit football. Shit as in ill-considered and poorly organised, not just boring. Kinnear, Shearer, Pardew, Carver, McClaren, and now Bruce.

You're right, the feel good factor around both our clubs can be amazing, but we all need something to be excited about and frankly, what's to be excited about at Newcastle? Shit manager, getting mostly shit football out of a team of mostly average players. Lofty ambition of survival on the cheap. Early exits from the cups. No indication that anything is going to change unless Ashley sells, which isn't looking likely either. Doesn't really get the pulse racing, does it?

Look at how your new owners have turned the frowns upside down on Wearside. Because they're showing ambition. Every fanbase wants their club to be the best version of itself it can be. No reason Newcastle can't be better than a club who's sole ambition is to survive.
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Weren't there loads of protests when Benitez was in charge about net spend and balance sheets? Didn't sound like you lot were enjoying it
 
Market Where? said:
That’s what I was thinking but I was talking to a mag last night who is a sensible one - they do exist - and he reckoned it’ll all be great, the EPL has admitted that the big 6 stopped the takeover, and the Saudis are just waiting.
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I think he's probably letting his heart rule his head. And whilst all this goes on it puts off any actual real potential buyers, and so it's actually holding us back longer term. I mean your friend could be right and me completely wrong like, don't have any inside info or anything like that, I just think it's quite clear that it's one massive smokescreen now.
S.S.R.. said:
It'd be a good argument if the figures in the graph there weren't bollocks. They sold Lejeune and got 40% of the Adam Armstrong transfer fee. Then they agreed to pay for Willock in yearly instalments. Saying they spent £22m and recouped nothing is nonsense.

Add to that they wouldn't pay for another club's fringe player to come on loan because they couldn't shift a player the other way. I've easily got the money for a season ticket, but I'm not paying them to watch a team made of others' castoffs.
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We actually paid 3.5 million for a loan player to play in the reserves for 18 months whilst apparently refusing to pay loan fees for first team players. Absolutely ridiculous, and such bad management and planning all round.
 
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Binxy said:
Shearer and Carver were only caretakers iirc.
At the time McLaren was highly thought of.
Pardew did a good job.
Bruce is know worse (performance wise) than Rafa.
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At the time, McClaren was fundamentally not highly thought of. He was an ageing manager who's previous roles were; sacked by Wolfsburg, sacked by Forest, sacked by Twente, sacked by Derby.

Pardew was an incredibly streaky manager, the season we finished 5th, was great, the others... not so much. He's since gone on to be sacked by Palace for poor performance, won 1 in 8 at den Haag before leaving, and is now a 'football advisor' at CSKA Sofia.

Bruce is worse than Benitez performance wise, but similar results wise.
marco popas said:
Weren't there loads of protests when Benitez was in charge about net spend and balance sheets? Didn't sound like you lot were enjoying it
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We were enjoying it, but Newcastle was being held back by the owner, again. The protests came after transfer windows where the fans felt the manager wasn't being properly supported.
 
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The Fish said:
At the time, McClaren was fundamentally not highly thought of. He was an ageing manager who's previous roles were; sacked by Wolfsburg, sacked by Forest, sacked by Twente, sacked by Derby.

Pardew was an incredibly streaky manager, the season we finished 5th, was great, the others... not so much. He's since gone on to be sacked by Palace for poor performance, won 1 in 8 at den Haag before leaving, and is now a 'football advisor' at CSKA Sofia.

Bruce is worse than Benitez performance wise, but similar results wise.

We were enjoying it, but Newcastle was being held back by the owner, again. The protests came after transfer windows where the fans felt the manager wasn't being properly supported.
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What Pardew has done since is irrelevant.
Also if Benitez wasn't been supported surely Bruce isn't so why the vitriol towards Bruce?
 
Binxy said:
What Pardew has done since is irrelevant.
Also if Benitez wasn't been supported surely Bruce isn't so why the vitriol towards Bruce?
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Benitez spent £80m in his first year didn't he? That was before the crazy transfer fees that are now being dished out, but because it was zero net spend or whatever, the mags refused to acknowledge it. Benitez spent a load of money on championship/lower league PL players. Many of which are still in the squad now.
 
Binxy said:
What Pardew has done since is irrelevant.
Also if Benitez wasn't been supported surely Bruce isn't so why the vitriol towards Bruce?
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My vitriol towards Bruce is due to his lack of ability as a football manager, combined with and perhaps even more because of, his continued lies, excuses, spouting of utter bollocks, his lack of backbone, cliches, calling out of concerned fans and nothing, absolutely nothing ever being his fault.
 
Sabre Mag said:
My vitriol towards Bruce is due to his lack of ability as a football manager, combined with and perhaps even more because of, his continued lies, excuses, spouting of utter bollocks, his lack of backbone, cliches, calling out of concerned fans and nothing, absolutely nothing ever being his fault.
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Bruce is a shameless twonk. Anyone who manages rivals of clubs the way he has no shame at all.

How the bloke continues to get jobs is beyond me. However, hope he is your manager for years to come
 
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