Put a flat earthier into space

[taipeisafc]

You believe you can pull gas out of a container. I'm asking you how you manage this. What are you using to do this?
Let's make this easier.

Go and get a plastic bottle. Open the lid and you have a plastic bottle full of air that is the same pressure as the normal atmospheric conditions you are standing in.
You want to evacuate this bottle of some pressure.
There's two ways you can do this. You can place your mouth over it and create a low pressure in your own mouth to allow the atmosphere to crush the bottle and push out the air into your mouth and out through your nose, or you can crush it yourself and push out the air in the bottle.

However, when it comes to a bell jar or a solid container we have something a bit different because we are evacuating the jar of some of the pressure but also stopping the external pressure breaching the jar or crushing it.

First of all we have to get the air out of the jar.
For this we need a pump and that pump is the creator of low pressure by pushing against external higher pressure.
It does not suck anything out of the jar, it pushes against the atmosphere and creates that lower pressure where the air in the jar can expand out by it's very own decompression, molecules against molecules.

As an analogy:
As if you filled a jar full of soft air balls and crammed them into the jar and opened that jar against lesser pressure. The balls would be pushed out by the rest of the compressed balls so your air balls closest to the opening would be pushed out.

This will keep happening as long as the pressure at the opening is less than the pressure created by the decompression of the air balls inside the jar.

If externally those air balls were the same as in the jar then the air balls in that jar would remain in that jar because the pressure is equalised.
Add a pump and this pump can push away (compress) the external balls away, enough to allow decompression of the air balls in that jar.

The same with gases.

Maybe some people will understand what I'm saying......but.

Utter, utter shit - it is impressive that a single person is stupid enough to get so many principles wrong in such a short time you literally do not have a clue. Go and read a book (assuming you can). You are thicker than whale spunk. Anybody who can understand the utter shite you type is a stupid as you. You have no idea at all......and to cap it all utterly ignorant with it. I can tolerate stupidity but utter wilful ignorance is beyond the pale.

I literally spend my whole working day moving gases and liquids around with compressors, pumps, fans, ejectors, air movers etc. and you are so utterly wrong it is astounding.

 

[Kevj]

You believe you can pull gas out of a container. I'm asking you how you manage this. What are you using to do this?
Let's make this easier.

Go and get a plastic bottle. Open the lid and you have a plastic bottle full of air that is the same pressure as the normal atmospheric conditions you are standing in.
You want to evacuate this bottle of some pressure.
There's two ways you can do this. You can place your mouth over it and create a low pressure in your own mouth to allow the atmosphere to crush the bottle and push out the air into your mouth and out through your nose, or you can crush it yourself and push out the air in the bottle.

However, when it comes to a bell jar or a solid container we have something a bit different because we are evacuating the jar of some of the pressure but also stopping the external pressure breaching the jar or crushing it.

First of all we have to get the air out of the jar.
For this we need a pump and that pump is the creator of low pressure by pushing against external higher pressure.
It does not suck anything out of the jar, it pushes against the atmosphere and creates that lower pressure where the air in the jar can expand out by it's very own decompression, molecules against molecules.

As an analogy:
As if you filled a jar full of soft air balls and crammed them into the jar and opened that jar against lesser pressure. The balls would be pushed out by the rest of the compressed balls so your air balls closest to the opening would be pushed out.

This will keep happening as long as the pressure at the opening is less than the pressure created by the decompression of the air balls inside the jar.

If externally those air balls were the same as in the jar then the air balls in that jar would remain in that jar because the pressure is equalised.
Add a pump and this pump can push away (compress) the external balls away, enough to allow decompression of the air balls in that jar.

The same with gases.

Maybe some people will understand what I'm saying......but.

Utter, utter shit - it is impressive that a single person is stupid enough to get so many principles wrong in such a short time you literally do not have a clue. Go and read a book (assuming you can). You are thicker than whale spunk. Anybody who can understand the utter shite you type is a stupid as you. You have no idea at all......and to cap it all utterly ignorant with it. I can tolerate stupidity but utter wilful ignorance is beyond the pale.

I literally spend my whole working day moving gases and liquids around with compressors, pumps, fans, ejectors, air movers etc. and you are so utterly wrong it is astounding.

I’d love to put him into an engineering team for a refinery or offshore production module. Not only is the science proven, it’s used daily by many thousands of engineers around the world.

 

[taipeisafc]

I’d love to put him into an engineering team for a refinery or offshore production module. Not only is the science proven, it’s used daily by many thousands of engineers around the world.

Who are all either wrong, lying or part of the conspiracy according to our utter moron - comes to something when him being a Newcastle fan seems to be the most logical and understandable thing about him.

 

[DaveH]

I literally spend my whole working day moving gases and liquids around with compressors, pumps, fans, ejectors, air movers etc. and you are so utterly wrong it is astounding.

This idea of pushing in low pressure (ugh, what, equilibrium of forces etc) to force the high pressure out, reminds me of a bit of a joke conversation we had at school in physics. Light is darkness travelling backwards. Think about it, a light bulb sucks in the darkness, which is why it is brighter next to the bulb where the suction is the greatest. If you put an object in front of the light bulb then it stops it sucking and that is why it creates a darker shadow behind that object. When a lightbulb fails (it was in the days of incandescent bulbs) you have a dark spot left on the bulb, showing it is now full of darkness. There is a sort of warped logic to that.

We had a little chuckle about it, made up some other daft analogies but then did experiments to show how light travels, with the likes of diffraction gratings, prisms and all the things you do at GCSE.

I'd forgotten about it until I read yesterday's drivel of how pumps, gasses and pressure apparently work. It is almost a twist on the same joke.

On another thread, he was claiming light and sound are the same thing. One is an end product of the other. I remember doing the experiment where you put an alarm clock in a bell jar then create a vacuum with a pump to suck the air out. As you suck more out, the lack of air gives no medium for the sound to travel , so it was like turning the volume down. You could see the hammer still bashing away, but could barely hear it. However the jar didn't go dark. I think the "reason" was that even if there was only one atom left in there, it was enough of a medium for light to travel but not sound, even though they are the same thing. So you can both block it and not block it at the same time. Thunder being heard after lightening is just human perception and not the speed of light being incredibly fast compared to sound. Even if that delay is seconds away, it is down to brain processing time of sound and light. However if someone is near you talking you don't have lip sync issues because of reasons. If you capture all this on film and break it apart frame by frame, the delay is still human perception even though you can see they are clearly different.

It is amazing. "I don't understand even the basic fundamentals of something, so rather than learn and be ordinary, I'm going to reinvent astronomy, physics and bits of biology, then I can feel special knowing more than those dumb sheep who have an education".

 

[Pancho]

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[The Krankie Returns]

Who are all either wrong, lying or part of the conspiracy according to our utter moron - comes to something when him being a Newcastle fan seems to be the most logical and understandable thing about him.

You reckon he’s a genuine Newcastle United supporter? He might be. He may well be telling all his mates how he’s having a laugh at our expense but it’s equally as possible that he is an alter-ego and we just haven’t figured out who yet.
In either case he’s not funny in the slightest. I said it earlier on here but the fact that he keeps on trying to counter everything put to him suggests to me that he’s on a wind up.

 

[peachy]

You reckon he’s a genuine Newcastle United supporter? He might be. He may well be telling all his mates how he’s having a laugh at our expense but it’s equally as possible that he is an alter-ego and we just haven’t figured out who yet.
In either case he’s not funny in the slightest. I said it earlier on here but the fact that he keeps on trying to counter everything put to him suggests to me that he’s on a wind up.

Still an amusing thread though. I don't know why, but I keep returning to this thread more than any other.

Is newkassle fan one of the better "fishermen"?

Is he completely deluded? He certainly ignores direct questions, and keeps ignoring sensible points.

And whilst I have enjoyed the more educated posts, I wonder why anyone bothers to keep replying.

Some good twitter photos though, always good to see.

Mind that last one I could see nkf saying was a plate taken from inside the dome.

 

[fyl2u]

Of course.
Tilted 23.5 degrees as we're told.
All rather perfect for explanation. This is what the globe model requires. It requires total effort to twist one way or another to try to fit in what we actually observe.
The issue is all about this 23.5 degree tilt going around a big fiery ball.
This is what I'm on about with the wobble as it goes around when in fact if looked at in a more realistic fashion by using proper means with a model, you'd notice that the so called ball Earth would not shift positions as it spun around, meaning the sun would hit the bottom and middle and never see the top, or vice versa, whichever way you want to orientate the angle.

We are just fooled into a belief that the Earth so called ball can just flip orientation as it spins around in a circle or a supposed elliptical orbit.

It's all worked out to fit what we see so we simply accept the nonsense, In my opinion.

There's no flipping, you daft sod! The tilt remains constant all the way around the sun!

Yep, I'm well aware of how it supposedly works but there's no ral mechanism for why it would work. It has to wobble or if you don;t like the word, wobble we can call it tilted shift.
If you're moving around a big ball at angle then your angle will never shift as you move around that big ball.
Basically if your north pole is facing away from the big ball then that's it all the way around it. It has to be fixed unless there's some force that alters that. Is there a force?

Cheeses wept. No, no, no, no, no.

Look, here....

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The globe on the left is positioned at the height of summer in the northern hemisphere and the height of winter in the southern hemisphere. Even as the globe spins on its axis, the northern hemisphere is spending more time facing the sun than the southern hemisphere, and the south pole is barely getting any light at all.

From there, the globe goes around the sun with NO SHIFTING OF AXIS AT ALL, no "wobble", no "tilted shift". It stays at exactly the same angle all the way around.

When it gets to the far side of its orbit around the sun, seen here as the globe on the right, IT IS STILL AT EXACTLY THE SAME ANGLE OF TILT WITH NO SHIFTING OR WOBBLING. The southern hemisphere is now spending more time in daylight than the northern hemisphere, and the NORTH pole is barely getting any light at all instead.

There's no magic, no wobbling, no tilt-shifting, no sleight of hand. The globe stays at the same angle constantly, thus creating the annual seasons at opposite times of year at opposite ends of the globe.

FFS man, this isn't rocket science. Even a child with half its brain missing can grasp this stuff.

 

[What A Waster]

There's no flipping, you daft sod! The tilt remains constant all the way around the sun!





Cheeses wept. No, no, no, no, no.

Look, here....

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The globe on the left is positioned at the height of summer in the northern hemisphere and the height of winter in the southern hemisphere. Even as the globe spins on its axis, the northern hemisphere is spending more time facing the sun than the southern hemisphere, and the south pole is barely getting any light at all.

From there, the globe goes around the sun with NO SHIFTING OF AXIS AT ALL, no "wobble", no "tilted shift". It stays at exactly the same angle all the way around.

When it gets to the far side of its orbit around the sun, seen here as the globe on the right, IT IS STILL AT EXACTLY THE SAME ANGLE OF TILT WITH NO SHIFTING OR WOBBLING. The southern hemisphere is now spending more time in daylight than the northern hemisphere, and the NORTH pole is barely getting any light at all instead.

There's no magic, no wobbling, no tilt-shifting, no sleight of hand. The globe stays at the same angle constantly, thus creating the annual seasons at opposite times of year at opposite ends of the globe.

FFS man, this isn't rocket science. Even a child with half its brain missing can grasp this stuff.

That sun doesn't look real.

 

[peachy]

That sun doesn't look real.

Looks happy though.

 

[What A Waster]

Looks happy though.

Hasn't got it's hat on.

 

[Pancho]

Hip, hip, hip, hooray.

 

[peachy]

Hasn't got it's hat on.

Must be the pressure, or the vacuum, or something....?

 

[fyl2u]

That sun doesn't look real.

When I photographed it, it was grinning because I'd just told it about NHF thinking we globe-sheeple believed the axis of the earth wobbled and magically shifted its tilt as it went around the sun.

 

[What A Waster]

When I photographed it, it was grinning because I'd just told it about NHF thinking we globe-sheeple believed the axis of the earth wobbled and magically shifted its tilt as it went around the sun.

That explains it. I'm a bit dubious about the dual-earth model though. Are we meant to believe we magically transport from one to the other depending on the seasons?

 

[fyl2u]

That explains it. I'm a bit dubious about the dual-earth model though. Are we meant to believe we magically transport from one to the other depending on the seasons?

 

[The Krankie Returns]

Still an amusing thread though. I don't know why, but I keep returning to this thread more than any other.

Is newkassle fan one of the better "fishermen"?

Is he completely deluded? He certainly ignores direct questions, and keeps ignoring sensible points.

And whilst I have enjoyed the more educated posts, I wonder why anyone bothers to keep replying.

Some good twitter photos though, always good to see.

I do like coming back to this thread as well.

He’ll be researching all the flat earth websites now to counteract the recent information put up on here then doing his usual copying and pasting answers into the replies.
He really should give it a rest though, the ‘joke’ has gone on for too long now.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You believe you can pull gas out of a container. I'm asking you how you manage this. What are you using to do this?
Let's make this easier.

Go and get a plastic bottle. Open the lid and you have a plastic bottle full of air that is the same pressure as the normal atmospheric conditions you are standing in.
You want to evacuate this bottle of some pressure.
There's two ways you can do this. You can place your mouth over it and create a low pressure in your own mouth to allow the atmosphere to crush the bottle and push out the air into your mouth and out through your nose, or you can crush it yourself and push out the air in the bottle.

However, when it comes to a bell jar or a solid container we have something a bit different because we are evacuating the jar of some of the pressure but also stopping the external pressure breaching the jar or crushing it.

First of all we have to get the air out of the jar.
For this we need a pump and that pump is the creator of low pressure by pushing against external higher pressure.
It does not suck anything out of the jar, it pushes against the atmosphere and creates that lower pressure where the air in the jar can expand out by it's very own decompression, molecules against molecules.

As an analogy:
As if you filled a jar full of soft air balls and crammed them into the jar and opened that jar against lesser pressure. The balls would be pushed out by the rest of the compressed balls so your air balls closest to the opening would be pushed out.

This will keep happening as long as the pressure at the opening is less than the pressure created by the decompression of the air balls inside the jar.

If externally those air balls were the same as in the jar then the air balls in that jar would remain in that jar because the pressure is equalised.
Add a pump and this pump can push away (compress) the external balls away, enough to allow decompression of the air balls in that jar.

The same with gases.

Maybe some people will understand what I'm saying......but.

Utter, utter shit - it is impressive that a single person is stupid enough to get so many principles wrong in such a short time you literally do not have a clue. Go and read a book (assuming you can). You are thicker than whale spunk. Anybody who can understand the utter shite you type is a stupid as you. You have no idea at all......and to cap it all utterly ignorant with it. I can tolerate stupidity but utter wilful ignorance is beyond the pale.

I literally spend my whole working day moving gases and liquids around with compressors, pumps, fans, ejectors, air movers etc. and you are so utterly wrong it is astounding.

You may spend all day moving gases around but it doesn't show you the mechanism for why. If it did you would explain it and you don't seem to be able to.

Tyre fitters can inflate car tyres to set psi on a gauge. They don't need to have a clue what's happening at molecular level.
Prove me wrong in what I've just said and if you can explain what you believe is really happening then let's see it.

 

[taipeisafc]

You may spend all day moving gases around but it doesn't show you the mechanism for why. If it did you would explain it and you don't seem to be able to.

Tyre fitters can inflate car tyres to set psi on a gauge. They don't need to have a clue what's happening at molecular level.
Prove me wrong in what I've just said and if you can explain what you believe is really happening then let's see it.

No you are a tiresome moron and i will waste no more effort on someone who has no intent to listen. I will from now on simply take the piss out of you.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I’d love to put him into an engineering team for a refinery or offshore production module. Not only is the science proven, it’s used daily by many thousands of engineers around the world.

What science?
What are you arguing in favour of in terms of what I'm arguing?

Who are all either wrong, lying or part of the conspiracy according to our utter moron - comes to something when him being a Newcastle fan seems to be the most logical and understandable thing about him.

What are they wrong about?
People believe in gravity and believe they use it every day in all walks of life. They believe they use it so what are they wrong about in terms of how they do their job?
The only wrong I could see is simply, they believe gravity is responsible for what atmospheric pressure is responsible for.
It's just a passed buck, in my opinion of course.

There's no flipping, you daft sod! The tilt remains constant all the way around the sun!





Cheeses wept. No, no, no, no, no.

Look, here....

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The globe on the left is positioned at the height of summer in the northern hemisphere and the height of winter in the southern hemisphere. Even as the globe spins on its axis, the northern hemisphere is spending more time facing the sun than the southern hemisphere, and the south pole is barely getting any light at all.

From there, the globe goes around the sun with NO SHIFTING OF AXIS AT ALL, no "wobble", no "tilted shift". It stays at exactly the same angle all the way around.

When it gets to the far side of its orbit around the sun, seen here as the globe on the right, IT IS STILL AT EXACTLY THE SAME ANGLE OF TILT WITH NO SHIFTING OR WOBBLING. The southern hemisphere is now spending more time in daylight than the northern hemisphere, and the NORTH pole is barely getting any light at all instead.

There's no magic, no wobbling, no tilt-shifting, no sleight of hand. The globe stays at the same angle constantly, thus creating the annual seasons at opposite times of year at opposite ends of the globe.

FFS man, this isn't rocket science. Even a child with half its brain missing can grasp this stuff.

Read what I said and you'll see I didn't mention flipping. I mentioned wobbling.
Here's how simple it is but also how easily conned people can be.
That tilt going around a so called ball of fire would stay exactly the same as we see it in that picture. All the way around.
There is absolutely no reason nor means for it to do anything other than that.

Walk around a living room light holding the titled globe in out stretch hands and sidestep all around that light and see for yourself.
You would never show the bottom of that globe because it could never move from that tilt.
All you could have is the spin and everything from that spin that comes into direct contact with the light.

The bottom would always face away.
That's just one thing. The spin itself is another and the orbit is another and the elliptical orbit is another. The list of global nonsense is off the scale...but, like I say, that's just my opinion.