Put a flat earthier into space

[fyl2u]

If I could double highlight the the first three words in bold I would.
I’ve said it before on this thread that he is on a wind up which in his mind at least is utterly hilarious. I have an image of him as an unemployable overweight slob sitting in a dingy smelly bedsit somewhere in his underpants socks and a stained t shirt wanking himself into a stupor every day with used Kleenex all over the floor.

You can!

As well as using bold, you can underline and even increase the font size.

 

[Macho]

To anyone expecting coherent answers don't hold your breath. He is either a gibbering moron who believes all this utter drivel or a gibbering moron who is giggling at the hilarious wind up he continues to perpetrate. never have I seen so much utter drivel in one place as I have seen in some of his posts. And his drivel about vacuums is so fundamentally wrong it is scary.


He still avoids my comment from ages back that the curvature of a bath full of water would be not discernible to the naked eye so he couldn't prove it was flat without very accurate measurements (ignoring the fact that the water actually is curved and forms a meniscus due to surface tension anyway) - he then further compounded his drivel by adding a square to the height difference per unit length on earth for reasons he made up.

I cannot believe people are still arguing with him

 

[The Krankie Returns]

I cannot believe people are still arguing with him

I’ve been saying the same.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Put it this way mate not one person I know believes that the earth is flat, encircled by an ice wall and covered by a dome, it is totally nonsensical and you know it.

Fine. They likely believe they're on a spinning ball in a space vacuum and being warmed by a 93 million mile distant ball of fire that is told to be nearly 1 million miles in diameter...etc.
Why would they believe anything else?

Notice how he never any answers a straight question that's put to him.

That depends on the question and whether I genuinely know the answer.

 

[The King of Um]

The fact that you can't or won't attempt to comprehend physics on a scale larger than that perceptible to one human seems to be the chief problem here.

This is the same person who argued that there is no link between obesity and type 2 diabetes because people who he sees around his small patch of Newcastle who have diabetes are not obese therefore there is no link - the national data which shows that you're seven times more likely to have type 2 diabetes if you're obese means nothing because he doesn't take information fed to him by government and the media because, you know, free thinker.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Of course there are false starting positions. If you're going to do an experiment to determine what happens when you mix blue and yellow paint together, but then you perform the experiment in a tin of red paint and completely ignore the fact that the tin is still half full of red paint, that's a false starting position that will lead you to a wrong answer at the end even if your process for mixing the blue and yellow paint together is flawless. The paint you get at the end is going to have a load of red in it. That's exactly what you're doing here. You're ignoring all the "red paint" in your "tin" and then telling the world that mixing blue paint with yellow paint gives you brown paint.

I'm not talking about paint in a tin and whether there's another colour in it.
I'm talking about water and conforming to a container.
Using what you have as any argument, is....well.

OK, but what is making the "dense mass" push into the pressure inside the container? What makes it push in a downward direction? Why would density matter if there's no gravitational force acting upon it?

It doesn't push in a downwards direction, it pushes he atmosphere away from it whilst using a more dense foundation in order to resist the push back.
No different to you being in a swimming pool and displacing your dense mass of water which has to come right back onto you by that same amount you displaced, plus the actual water in that's already in the pool.

Again, if gravity doesn't exist and atmoflatearthic pressure can't get into the container, then what is causing the denser liquid to act differently to the less dense air, why is it directional, and why is that direction downwards?
....despite there being no gravity to act upon the water or the air and force them in one direction or the other.

MAGIC

There's always atmospheric pressure in the container. It can never be emptied of atmosphere. No magic needed.

According to your explanation above it wouldn't matter anyway, as denser objects magically fall towards the ground despite gravity not existing to act upon them.

They don't magically fall to the ground unless energy is applied to them to push through the atmospheric pressure and to offer them no foundation to resist their push back, esulting in their dense mass plus the atmospheric squeeze above pushing them back down as their dense mass pushes through the resistance of atmosphere below.

Make your mind up, you're mixing up your trollsplanations.

There's no mixing up from my sde.

...which brings us back to the questions "why downwards?" and "what is creating the force to push it downwards if the container is sealed and gravity doesn't exist?".

More pressure at the bottom than the top.

No, no. Don't deflect from this. You said "a bell jar and pump, plus a simple motor with an attached lid and a plastic bead will show the space orbit to be nonsense."

You're going to need to qualify this.

We can go about it scientifically if you like:
Tell us what you're trying to prove (Aim)
Tell us how you're going to use the equipment and how different results would mean different conclusions (Method)
Tell us what happens (Results)
Tell us what we have learned from this (Conclusion)

That's how a proper scientist would go about this.

As soon as you tell me why your space orbit works then I can explain it. It's pretty simple from my side and something anyone can do.
Me explaining it now when I don't know if you know how your orbits are working, would be pointless.

Well, I've flown around the world in one direction, so there's that. I'm sure I could list a few more if I gave it any degree of thought.

How did that prove you were on a spinning globe?

I’m still not sure what you actually did and how you measured it, could you describe what you used?

But the result you got was no convex curvature, so what are you saying? Are you saying this proves the earth is completely flat?

Nope. I'm saying water conforms to the container it is in and the water itself is level and flat in a calm environment. It is never level on any convex curve.
Anyone can see this and test it for themselves.

To anyone expecting coherent answers don't hold your breath. He is either a gibbering moron who believes all this utter drivel or a gibbering moron who is giggling at the hilarious wind up he continues to perpetrate. never have I seen so much utter drivel in one place as I have seen in some of his posts. And his drivel about vacuums is so fundamentally wrong it is scary.

Can you tell me about vacuums from your perspective. Or are you just telling me I'm wrong?

He still avoids my comment from ages back that the curvature of a bath full of water would be not discernible to the naked eye so he couldn't prove it was flat without very accurate measurements (ignoring the fact that the water actually is curved and forms a meniscus due to surface tension anyway) - he then further compounded his drivel by adding a square to the height difference per unit length on earth for reasons he made up.

It would never be discernible because there is no curvature whether it's in a bath or a lake, assuming no interference.

If I could double highlight the the first three words in bold I would.
I’ve said it before on this thread that he is on a wind up which in his mind at least is utterly hilarious. I have an image of him as an unemployable overweight slob sitting in a dingy smelly bedsit somewhere in his underpants socks and a stained t shirt wanking himself into a stupor every day with used Kleenex all over the floor.

The beauty about being on a form is people like yourself can imagine all kinds of stuff like that and if you get off on it then think of me in any way shape or form you want to. I'm thick skinned so your pleasures will not scare me away.

This is the same person who argued that there is no link between obesity and type 2 diabetes because people who he sees around his small patch of Newcastle who have diabetes are not obese therefore there is no link - the national data which shows that you're seven times more likely to have type 2 diabetes if you're obese means nothing because he doesn't take information fed to him by government and the media because, you know, free thinker.

Maybe have a look back at what I did say. It may help you out.

 

[taipeisafc]

A vaccum is a pressure below a designated standard pressure - for us atmospheric pressure is 1.01325 bara (1 atm, 14.5 psig); a vaccum is any pressure seen below that point made by removing some of the material or energy from a fixed volume as per the ideal gas equation (PV = nRT) where P is pressure, V is volume, n is number of moles, R is a constant and T is temperature). Hence if we cool the gas (T goes down) keeping the number of moles and volume constant then the pressure falls if we cool it enough we get a vacuum. If we remove moles of gas from the volume then the pressure falls (assuming temperature is constant). Really not complicated and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORBIT OF PLANETARY BODIES AND OTHER EXTRA TERRESTRIAL ITEMS YOU UTTER CLOWN.

 

[Kevj]

A vaccum is a pressure below a designated standard pressure - for us atmospheric pressure is 1.01325 bara (1 atm, 14.5 psig); a vaccum is any pressure seen below that point made by removing some of the material or energy from a fixed volume as per the ideal gas equation (PV = nRT) where P is pressure, V is volume, n is number of moles, R is a constant and T is temperature). Hence if we cool the gas (T goes down) keeping the number of moles and volume constant then the pressure falls if we cool it enough we get a vacuum. If we remove moles of gas from the volume then the pressure falls (assuming temperature is constant). Really not complicated and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORBIT OF PLANETARY BODIES AND OTHER EXTRA TERRESTRIAL ITEMS YOU UTTER CLOWN.

@Nukehasslefan, how does your idea of gravity of pressure induced downward movement work on the moon or other celestial bodies without atmosphere?

 

[DaveH]

Nope. I'm saying water conforms to the container it is in and the water itself is level and flat in a calm environment. It is never level on any convex curve.
Anyone can see this and test it for themselves.

So flat water=flat earth and if the earth were a globe, the water would hump in the middle, is that what you are saying?

 

[Kevj]

So flat water=flat earth and if the earth were a globe, the water would hump in the middle, is that what you are saying?

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[Nukehasslefan]

A vaccum is a pressure below a designated standard pressure - for us atmospheric pressure is 1.01325 bara (1 atm, 14.5 psig); a vaccum is any pressure seen below that point made by removing some of the material or energy from a fixed volume as per the ideal gas equation (PV = nRT) where P is pressure, V is volume, n is number of moles, R is a constant and T is temperature). Hence if we cool the gas (T goes down) keeping the number of moles and volume constant then the pressure falls if we cool it enough we get a vacuum. If we remove moles of gas from the volume then the pressure falls (assuming temperature is constant). Really not complicated and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORBIT OF PLANETARY BODIES AND OTHER EXTRA TERRESTRIAL ITEMS YOU UTTER CLOWN.

A vacuum is the absence of atmosphere. This is what we're basically told.
Anything else is simply lower pressure.
This is why we're told and sold the space stuff.
We get told space is a vacuum. When argued we then get told it's not a perfect vacuum because we get told there's stray particles just scattered about. A few per metre or something on those lines, just doing nothing, in no medium and yet they're supposed to be something.

Fictional stories presented for us to ponder and try and accept when our own minds tell us it's nonsense.As for orbits.
Do you believe those fairground rides pushing people outwards is down to atmospheric pressure pushing those masses outwards or do you believe it has nothing to do with it?

@Nukehasslefan, how does your idea of gravity of pressure induced downward movement work on the moon or other celestial bodies without atmosphere?

It doesn't because I do not believe in the 1/6th so called moon gravity or airless moon or the moon as a solid body in so called space, so it's irrelevant to me.

So flat water=flat earth and if the earth were a globe, the water would hump in the middle, is that what you are saying?

No.
Level/flat water means level/flat water.
The Earth terrain has nothing to do with it from my side.
You've been told this so many times. Maybe you overlook it but continue to argue it without reference.

I can't help you on that if you want to continue thinking I supposed a flat disc Earth, etc.

 

[Kevj]

A vacuum is the absence of atmosphere. This is what we're basically told.
Anything else is simply lower pressure.
This is why we're told and sold the space stuff.
We get told space is a vacuum. When argued we then get told it's not a perfect vacuum because we get told there's stray particles just scattered about. A few per metre or something on those lines, just doing nothing, in no medium and yet they're supposed to be something.

Fictional stories presented for us to ponder and try and accept when our own minds tell us it's nonsense.As for orbits.
Do you believe those fairground rides pushing people outwards is down to atmospheric pressure pushing those masses outwards or do you believe it has nothing to do with it?

It doesn't because I do not believe in the 1/6th so called moon gravity or airless moon or the moon as a solid body in so called space, so it's irrelevant to me.

That’s alright then. I don’t believe in death. Voila! Immortality.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

That’s alright then. I don’t believe in death. Voila! Immortality.

No problem.

 

[taipeisafc]

No problem.

I now realise you have no clue what a vaccuum is, amongst a lot of other stuff

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I now realise you have no clue what a vaccuum is, amongst a lot of other stuff

I think the same about you so it's to be expected.

 

[taipeisafc]

I think the same about you so it's to be expected.

Fair enough but i am right, you arent

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Fair enough but i am right, you arent

Right about what?

 

[taipeisafc]

Right about what?

Vacuum amongst many other things

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Vacuum amongst many other things

I don't believe there is a vacuum. Lower pressure, certainly.
Scattered particles in free space? Not a chance.
No medium and no life, or anything.

It's just about what people want to believe.

Do you know how your lower pressure is created in your bell jar?
Can you explain what is happening for the pressure to be lowered?

 

[taipeisafc]

I don't believe there is a vacuum. Lower pressure, certainly.

Scattered particles in free space? Not a chance.
No medium and no life, or anything.

It's just about what people want to believe.

Do you know how your lower pressure is created in your bell jar?
Can you explain what is happening for the pressure to be lowered?

For perhaps the hundredth time a vaccum doesn't mean nothing - it is simply a measure of pressure approaching a theoretical limit (similar to absolute zero) you can get close to a total vacuum but to current knowledge not to it. NOBODY says space is an absolute vaccum. For a bell jar PV = nRT again, you remove n moles of gas from a fixed volume and as PV stays constant and the volume is fixed the pressure must fall as the remainder of the material left in the jar expands to fill the available space, this is how vacuum pumps and vacuum engines (which I use daily) work. Sits back and waits for the drivel about not removing stuff just the space between the atoms gets bigger and the same amount stays in the bell jar even though the weight reduces as you pump out the contents.