Footballers needing to be double jabbed for next season

[ontap]

I think its similar to the deaths attributed to Covid itself.
The figure maybe a lot lower. Could be higher.
Some people have died of covid. Some have died with covid.
Some have died within 28 days of having covid.
The stats and data in this pandemic haven't been the most transparent.

So now your back tracking , earlier you claimed 1500 had died, when you were shown that you had misquoted from your own source , your now saying could be lower could be higher .

 

[Poacher]

I know mate.
You've probably been called all sorts of names have you?
Too many people not willing to take responsibility for their own health and wellbeing.

Fabian Delph must be thinking, I'm being told I need to take a vaccine by people who couldn't run the length of a football pitch without blowing out their backsides.
He's made sacrifices since he was a kid to get to the pinnacle of his sport.
Probably hardly drank or took drugs, maintained single percentage bodyfat and slogged his arse off week in week out for nearly 20 years.
Went into training on Christmas day when most people are laid comatosed.

His immune system will be ticking over just nicely from his healthy lifestyle.

Then there's millions who've abused their bodies and expect Fabian to protect them by him taking a vaccine.

It's comically at best.

Exactly, and he will be called the selfish one.

 

[Acquiesce]

So now your back tracking , earlier you claimed 1500 had died, when you were shown that you had misquoted from your own source , your now saying could be lower could be higher .

Not backtracking at all mate.

The 73 deaths are from blood clots only.
There's additional deaths associated with people receiving the vaccine and dying.
That number takes total deaths associated with receiving the vaccine to around 1500.
I'll quote the government website...

"The MHRA has received 466 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 1018 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, eight for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 25 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified."

Thrombo-emblonic Events:

Sex	Number of reports	Number of fatal reports
Male	198	31
Female	211	42
Unknown	2	0
Total	411	73

They are also reporting that between 3 to 7 in every 1000 people who receive the jab are reporting adverse reactions.

Apologies for not making myself clearer.

Hope this helps.

 

[xmfd]

I haven't swallowed anything from the BBC. I presented you with estimates of the COVID-19 IFR in England produced by the University of Oxford's Centre for Evidence Based Medicine. Nothing to do with the BBC.

I think you realise you're out of your depth and you're just trolling now. God knows why attention seekers like you go on this way.

its as if they’re trolling but at the same time also genuinely believe what they’re sharing. suspect it’s a mix of both.
social media has a lot to answer for.

It’s a waste of time trying to understand it really, and fortunately it’s a small minority of people who go on like this even though they have a ‘relatively big’ presence online

I’ll be ‘ignoring’ any anti vax accounts as they pop up from now on

 

[Kermit]

its as if they’re trolling but at the same time also genuinely believe what they’re sharing. suspect it’s a mix of both.
social media has a lot to answer for.

It’s a waste of time trying to understand it really, and fortunately it’s a small minority of people who go on like this even though they have a ‘relatively big’ presence online

I’ll be ‘ignoring’ any anti vax accounts as they pop up from now on

There is no trolling from me. What is the point in that? You know, its not even the fact you dont believe that all isnt as you have been lead to believe, its the fact you people won't even entertain the possibility it could be the case. Completely brainwashed. Anything that doesnt fit what youve have been indoctrinated to believe is just dismissed. Did you know for example, the PCR tests this is all based on are completely unfit for purpose? It cannot tell you anything about infection. It cannot distinguish between live and dead matter. The creator never claimed it could. It just amplifies whatever material is there so it can be seen. Consensus is that a PCR run at anything over approx 25 cycles is useless. Most used in the country are 40/45 cycles. The tests have been debunked in 3 courts across Europe and the CDC are withdrawing them from 31/12 as they cannot even distinguish between flu or covid-19. People will Google this and reuters or lead stories will have 'fact checked' it and people will say "liar". If you are going to do that, at least use duck duck go or something. This will make no difference to you of course because i am an "antivaxxer", despite previously have no strong feelings either way on the subject and receiving all vaccinations ive needed previously.

 

[joemcdokes]

Are people dying older because of immune systems or medicine?

Things like improved working conditions and less people smoking will be a huge factor.
A kick in the arse off 10 years added since the early 80's in males, although the rate has somewhat slowed down over the last decade.

 

[Hep]

Brilliant

But that is the point, the stuff you are citing as the evidence doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It's not a case of doctors speaking out and being silenced. It's a small percentage off doctors talking rubbish that is dismissed with demonstrable evidence by the majority of very well qualified doctors.

That list of stuff I posted earlier could be proven to be wrong by a 9-year-old.

There is no trolling from me. What is the point in that? You know, its not even the fact you dont believe that all isnt as you have been lead to believe, its the fact you people won't even entertain the possibility it could be the case. Completely brainwashed. Anything that doesnt fit what youve have been indoctrinated to believe is just dismissed. Did you know for example, the PCR tests this is all based on are completely unfit for purpose? It cannot tell you anything about infection. It cannot distinguish between live and dead matter. The creator never claimed it could. It just amplifies whatever material is there so it can be seen. Consensus is that a PCR run at anything over approx 25 cycles is useless. Most used in the country are 40/45 cycles. The tests have been debunked in 3 courts across Europe and the CDC are withdrawing them from 31/12 as they cannot even distinguish between flu or covid-19. People will Google this and reuters or lead stories will have 'fact checked' it and people will say "liar". If you are going to do that, at least use duck duck go or something. This will make no difference to you of course because i am an "antivaxxer", despite previously have no strong feelings either way on the subject and receiving all vaccinations ive needed previously.

We do keep an open mind, I will look at anything and consider it. When you're also blaming all the fact-checking websites for being part of the conspiracy too, you need to question if you really do have an open mind or are you just 100% convinced on one side.

Not backtracking at all mate.

The 73 deaths are from blood clots only.
There's additional deaths associated with people receiving the vaccine and dying.
That number takes total deaths associated with receiving the vaccine to around 1500.
I'll quote the government website...

"The MHRA has received 466 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 1018 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, eight for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 25 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified."

Thrombo-emblonic Events:

Sex	Number of reports	Number of fatal reports
Male	198	31
Female	211	42
Unknown	2	0
Total	411	73

They are also reporting that between 3 to 7 in every 1000 people who receive the jab are reporting adverse reactions.

Apologies for not making myself clearer.

Hope this helps.

The government website is really clear - it states the other deaths are NOT linked to the vaccine, and the 73 only have a weak link.

To quote from the site where your number are published...


"Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths."

So it's very clear that the 1500 are not associated with the vaccine, but purely coincidental.

 

[Frijj]

There is no trolling from me. What is the point in that? You know, its not even the fact you dont believe that all isnt as you have been lead to believe, its the fact you people won't even entertain the possibility it could be the case. Completely brainwashed. Anything that doesnt fit what youve have been indoctrinated to believe is just dismissed. Did you know for example, the PCR tests this is all based on are completely unfit for purpose? It cannot tell you anything about infection. It cannot distinguish between live and dead matter. The creator never claimed it could. It just amplifies whatever material is there so it can be seen. Consensus is that a PCR run at anything over approx 25 cycles is useless. Most used in the country are 40/45 cycles. The tests have been debunked in 3 courts across Europe and the CDC are withdrawing them from 31/12 as they cannot even distinguish between flu or covid-19. People will Google this and reuters or lead stories will have 'fact checked' it and people will say "liar". If you are going to do that, at least use duck duck go or something. This will make no difference to you of course because i am an "antivaxxer", despite previously have no strong feelings either way on the subject and receiving all vaccinations ive needed previously.

More bullshit. Multiple FOIs have shown the number PCR cycles ran is either below 40 or to the specifications of the test manufacturer.

The specifications of the test manufacturer is more important that your arbitrary 25, or 40, or whatever number you’ve dreamt up.

The PCR test isn’t being withdrawn by the CDC because it confuses influenza and COVID, it’s being withdrawn because it doesn’t test for both, so it’s not as cost effective as a test that tests for both.

I can debunk your bullshit without breaking a sweat so please continue to make a fool of yourself for my amusement

 

[rokerexile]

Freedom of choice, also the fact they want to see everything you have. For instance you get paid, then you get taxed on that wage, your pension comes out of that wage then when you retire your lump sum if you choose to take it gets taxed again (quite a big amount actually) however if you choose not to pay into a pension and say take £100 per week in cash out of your wage and put it somewhere safe you’ll have a nice tidy sum tucked away when you retire and you won’t have to pay a penny in tax. That’s not dodgy it’s just using your head, this is just one example. They want control.

It's a while ago so I could be mistaken but, when I retired, I believe the first £30,000 of a lump sum was tax free. They may have changed the rules since then but if £30,000 is an insignificant amount to you I suspect that you're going to have others helping you with your tax affairs.

 

[joemcdokes]

But that is the point, the stuff you are citing as the evidence doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It's not a case of doctors speaking out and being silenced. It's a small percentage off doctors talking rubbish that is dismissed with demonstrable evidence by the majority of very well qualified doctors.

That list of stuff I posted earlier could be proven to be wrong by a 9-year-old.

We do keep an open mind, I will look at anything and consider it. When you're also blaming all the fact-checking websites for being part of the conspiracy too, you need to question if you really do have an open mind or are you just 100% convinced on one side.

I quite like that bit.
Very well qualified doctors, not the media ones spouting shite on a daily basis then.

 

[Acquiesce]

But that is the point, the stuff you are citing as the evidence doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It's not a case of doctors speaking out and being silenced. It's a small percentage off doctors talking rubbish that is dismissed with demonstrable evidence by the majority of very well qualified doctors.

That list of stuff I posted earlier could be proven to be wrong by a 9-year-old.

We do keep an open mind, I will look at anything and consider it. When you're also blaming all the fact-checking websites for being part of the conspiracy too, you need to question if you really do have an open mind or are you just 100% convinced on one side.

The government website is really clear - it states the other deaths are NOT linked to the vaccine, and the 73 only have a weak link.

To quote from the site where your number are published...


"Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths."

So it's very clear that the 1500 are not associated with the vaccine, but purely coincidental.

Okay mate ill take your interpretation of the data. Cheers.
Could you help me with these...

How did the 73 people die?

Do you know why they don't use the same criterion,as for the reporting of Covid deaths, in terms of the 28 days since diagnosis?

The reported deaths from Covid are circa 130k, 28 days since diagnosis.

They also only have to have had covid.
Not actually died from it.

Could they not apply these criterion to the vaccine?

So if you die within 28 days of having the vaccine they report these deaths.

Knackers like me could then see it in black and white, how they compare.

Do you understand where I'm coming from?

 

[joemcdokes]

Okay mate ill take your interpretation of the data. Cheers.
Could you help me with these...

How did the 73 people die?

Do you know why they don't use the same criterion,as for the reporting of Covid deaths, in terms of the 28 days since diagnosis?

The reported deaths from Covid are circa 130k, 28 days since diagnosis.

They also only have to have had covid.
Not actually died from it.

Could they not apply these criterion to the vaccine?

So if you die within 28 days of having the vaccine they report these deaths.

Knackers like me could then see it in black and white, how they compare.

Do you understand where I'm coming from?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1007376/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_30.pdf

Population impact The impact of the vaccination programme on the population is assessed by taking into account vaccine coverage, evidence on vaccine effectiveness and the latest COVID-19 disease surveillance indicators. Vaccine coverage tells us about the proportion of the population that have received 1 and 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccines. By 25 July 2021, the overall vaccine uptake in England for dose 1 was 62.7% and 50.0% for dose 2. In line with the programme rollout, coverage is highest in the oldest age groups. Based on antibody testing of blood donors, 95.5% of the adult population now have antibodies to COVID-19 from either infection or vaccination compared to 17.1% that have antibodies from infection alone. Over 95% of adults aged 30 or older have antibodies from either infection or vaccination. Seropositivity among those aged 17 to 29 has begun to rise over the last few weeks. The latest estimates indicate that the vaccination programme has directly averted over 52,600 hospitalisations. Analysis on the direct and indirect impact of the vaccination programme on infections and mortality, COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report – week 30 4 suggests the vaccination programme has prevented between 21.3 and 22.9 millio

 

[Kermit]

More bullshit. Multiple FOIs have shown the number PCR cycles ran is either below 40 or to the specifications of the test manufacturer.

The specifications of the test manufacturer is more important that your arbitrary 25, or 40, or whatever number you’ve dreamt up.

The PCR test isn’t being withdrawn by the CDC because it confuses influenza and COVID, it’s being withdrawn because it doesn’t test for both, so it’s not as cost effective as a test that tests for both.

I can debunk your bullshit without breaking a sweat so please continue to make a fool of yourself for my amusement

Im not even conversing with you any more. You are too far gone. Absolutely thick as f*ck and dangerous as you actually believe that rubbish. Again i can provide evidence from an actual expert in the form of professor kammerer, she actually provided evidence under oath in a German court of law. This evidence lead to the judge ruling that PCR is not fit fir purpose. Shes an actual expert, not some idiot on a message board pretending to be a scientist. You are an embarrassment mate, truly. Dont message me again.

 

[Acquiesce]

It's a while ago so I could be mistaken but, when I retired, I believe the first £30,000 of a lump sum was tax free. They may have changed the rules since then but if £30,000 is an insignificant amount to you I suspect that you're going to have others helping you with your tax affairs.

I believe if you do a draw down and take your tax free lump sum, it's a quarter of your overall pot.
So if it's 400k, you can take 100k tax free.
Then you still get your personal tax allowance each year.
So you could pay yourself around 12k a year then use your tax free lump sum to supplement your income.
If you take more than your personal allowance in a year, the additional amount is taxed.
I believe you can save tax initially when paying into your pension with AVCs.

I could be wrong but this is my limited knowledge of pensions as I'm 30 years away from retirement.

 

[The Master]

How are these posters peddling nonsense anti vax conspiracies not banned?

This isn’t exactly a difference of opinion, it’s just someone with a dangerous and idiotic view trying to spread it.

 

[Hooley13]

It's a while ago so I could be mistaken but, when I retired, I believe the first £30,000 of a lump sum was tax free. They may have changed the rules since then but if £30,000 is an insignificant amount to you I suspect that you're going to have others helping you with your tax affairs.

The first 25% is tax free the remaining 75% is taxed. My old man payed £18k in tax on his private pension, 18k that could of been in his pocket instead. His pension was medium risk aswell as it was invested in different things. The elite want this. Tax tax tax. A wise owl once told me, always put some of your money away for a Rainy day, but never in a bank because the bank is likely to flood now and then.

 

[Acquiesce]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1007376/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_30.pdf

Cheers Joe

 

[Kermit]

But that is the point, the stuff you are citing as the evidence doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It's not a case of doctors speaking out and being silenced. It's a small percentage off doctors talking rubbish that is dismissed with demonstrable evidence by the majority of very well qualified doctors.

That list of stuff I posted earlier could be proven to be wrong by a 9-year-old.

We do keep an open mind, I will look at anything and consider it. When you're also blaming all the fact-checking websites for being part of the conspiracy too, you need to question if you really do have an open mind or are you just 100% convinced on one side.

The government website is really clear - it states the other deaths are NOT linked to the vaccine, and the 73 only have a weak link.

To quote from the site where your number are published...


"Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths."

So it's very clear that the 1500 are not associated with the vaccine, but purely coincidental.

You haven't, you and the other idiot just dismissing expert opinion. One of them took issue with the concept of an average when i was talking about average age of death. He also moaned that i used a global ifr instead of one exclusive to the UK. I haven't got the energy to repeatedly cite stuff and have it disregarded because it doesn't fit want yous want it to. This is the last post from me on this until such time this farce eventually falls down and i will be back on here bumping this thread.

 

[rokerexile]

I believe if you do a draw down and take your tax free lump sum, it's a quarter of your overall pot.
So if it's 400k, you can take 100k tax free.
Then you still get your personal tax allowance each year.
So you could pay yourself around 12k a year then use your tax free lump sum to supplement your income.
If you take more than your personal allowance in a year, the additional amount is taxed.
I believe you can save tax initially when paying into your pension with AVCs.

I could be wrong but this is my limited knowledge of pensions as I'm 30 years away from retirement.

Sounds like you've got it all sussed mate.

The first 25% is tax free the remaining 75% is taxed. My old man payed £18k in tax on his private pension, 18k that could of been in his pocket instead. His pension was medium risk aswell as it was invested in different things. The elite want this. Tax tax tax.

From the cradle to the grave! 'Twas ever thus.

 

[joemcdokes]

Cheers Joe

Got to love official government documents.