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Flat Earthers

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chelt_mackem said:
Apart from the fact you can observe the anti-clockwise rotation of the Earth in the northern hemisphere and the clockwise rotation in the southern hemisphere, as many on here (myself included) have done without the need for any equipment whatsoever.

But as we know, flat earthers and facts don't enjoy each other's company. Probably why they're also mostly covid deniers and anti-vaxxers.
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The Coriolis effect.

Also Foucault’s pendulum
 
Boris Bear said:
How much of your research material comes from YouTube marra?

I ask because the more of a certain type of material you watch the more the algorithm recommends to you which can mean you don’t get both sides
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I was firmly on the global side at one point, including all the globall stuff on youtube or in every other area of the internet and also libraries....etc.
I evaluate all arguments.
I'm at the stage where the global schooling is fantasy. That's my opinion based on how I see it with my logical breakdown.
People will see it whichever way they see it and call my logic, nuts.


They are welcome to that because all I say to anyone is, sit back without being coaxed and have a think about the story told and the reality of what you potentially see for yourself.

I get all the arguments that I watch youtube and what not then get thrown arguments from the very same youtube supposedly showing a real globe.


It's a bad argument to use that stuff as a battering ram. It's massively contradictory.
chelt_mackem said:
Apart from the fact you can observe the anti-clockwise rotation of the Earth in the northern hemisphere and the clockwise rotation in the southern hemisphere, as many on here (myself included) have done without the need for any equipment whatsoever.

But as we know, flat earthers and facts don't enjoy each other's company. Probably why they're also mostly covid deniers and anti-vaxxers.
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You do not have any facts for a global earth. None.
rudd said:
Foucault's pendulum and sine law?
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How does any of them prove a spinning globe?
 
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Nukehasslefan said:
It doesn't matter what people think. People are naturally going to go with the mass flow of being on a spinning ball for absolutely no other reason than, they were basically schooled into it and given pictures supposedly showing a globe in space and video of a supposed globe.

If any sci-fi film was shown about landing on different so called planets but was actually sold as "this is based on true events" then people would naturally go with that flow.
Anyone who dared call it fiction would be cast off as the classic media bashing of "conspiracy nutters" and tin foil hat wearing freaks....etc.

People will have no issue with throwing logic out of the window if it means they get to be in a mass comfort blanket.
As for flat earth. People are lumped into the flat earth category the very second they dispute anything to do with the global schooling.

All it takes is for someone to say " ahhh, I don't think we're on a globe" and it's " oh look he/she's one of those flat earth tards".....etc.


Everyone who can see and feel will know the earth in terms of rough terrain, isn't flat.
Anyone with some logic will also know that a flat earth depicted as water and ships falling off the edge, doesn't sit well.

But then we have to sit back and use the same logic to ask ourselves why we need containers to keep water in.
Why can't we just store water on a football or a flat table and build it up.
Why can't we just run a bath that is slightly convexly curved and fill it to the depth we want?

The answers are obvious and I'd rightly be called silly if I tried to push that.
Yet people have no issue of having oceans covering a spinning globe, as they're told/schooled.
Anyone can see if you spin something, things fly away from it. Water is pushed away from it.


No matter how much they try to re-enact that thought process into physical experiment, they cannot do it. But that doesn't matter. What matters is, mass opinion and adherence to official lines/authority they take as a given.

Fill your bath and water conforms to the container and levels off.

Go to a pond and the water is contained, level and flat.
But people are willing to forsake all of that because the schooling is a spinning globe with lots of cartoon drawings and CGI and all kinds of stuff (in my opinion).
We are treated to school like models in pictures on so called moons and planets and handed stories of probes launched in the 70's still happily sending back messages from billions and billions of miles. And people have no issue in accepting this because they follow a trend of the masses.

I used to believe it all many many years ago.
Many many years ago I actually only heard the name of Neil Armstrong landing on the moon, as I was told.

I was shocked to find that 6 had supposedly done it.

I had no issue believing in a spinning earth with a 93 million mile sun.
I remember as a kid thinking, "wow" just think we're spinning so fast we don't know it and we don't fall off.
I used to go night fishing and look up from the pier and say, just think we could be upside down but the Australians are.

When I first heard of a flat earth I thought of cultists and nutters and such. I just thought, "how can people believe the Earth is a flat plate. The water would fall off".....etc.

And then you see stuff that makes you go "hang on a minute."
The moon story set me off into questioning.
Once you see something that looks odd, you delve.

Once you delve it becomes apparent that we are being fed fairy stories, in my honest opinion.

The thing is, people will still follow the mass opinions because next to nobody wants to be cast off as a nut job. People would rather argue for their official story by reciting it and everything that comes off the back of it, against those who do not follow it.

Basically those who argue against it are cast off as flat earth nutters and the go to mindset of people who think it, go with the flow that a flat earther believes in a flat disc held up by turtles or whatever because that generally looks the potential silliest set up, so that is the go to version.

My simple argument is, the calm waters of Earth are level and flat and can be observed, tested and repeated to show the reality.
However, the go to story is, water curves convexly

Nobody has the real truth until they have the physical truth. Many pretend they do but cannot back it up and will happily beat down what they believe to be, a flat earther.

Go against any flow and you are a leper, simple as that.
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Utter shite
 
Nukehasslefan said:
I was firmly on the global side at one point, including all the globall stuff on youtube or in every other area of the internet and also libraries....etc.
I evaluate all arguments.
I'm at the stage where the global schooling is fantasy. That's my opinion based on how I see it with my logical breakdown.
People will see it whichever way they see it and call my logic, nuts.


They are welcome to that because all I say to anyone is, sit back without being coaxed and have a think about the story told and the reality of what you potentially see for yourself.

I get all the arguments that I watch youtube and what not then get thrown arguments from the very same youtube supposedly showing a real globe.


It's a bad argument to use that stuff as a battering ram. It's massively contradictory.

You do not have any facts for a global earth. None.

How does any of them prove a spinning globe?
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Apart from the observable fact for a globe Earth I have just listed.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
I was firmly on the global side at one point, including all the globall stuff on youtube or in every other area of the internet and also libraries....etc.
I evaluate all arguments.
I'm at the stage where the global schooling is fantasy. That's my opinion based on how I see it with my logical breakdown.
People will see it whichever way they see it and call my logic, nuts.


They are welcome to that because all I say to anyone is, sit back without being coaxed and have a think about the story told and the reality of what you potentially see for yourself.

I get all the arguments that I watch youtube and what not then get thrown arguments from the very same youtube supposedly showing a real globe.


It's a bad argument to use that stuff as a battering ram. It's massively contradictory.

You do not have any facts for a global earth. None.
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My earlier point though is that generally flat earthers apply more rigour in their demand for science and facts to prove a globe than they do to their own beliefs.

What facts would satisfy you beyond scientific experiments and footage?
 
Boris Bear said:
My earlier point though is that generally flat earthers apply more rigour in their demand for science and facts to prove a globe than they do to their own beliefs.

What facts would satisfy you beyond scientific experiments and footage?
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Simply, show me a global earth that cannot be refuted.
So far there is nothing.
 
Boris Bear said:
My earlier point though is that generally flat earthers apply more rigour in their demand for science and facts to prove a globe than they do to their own beliefs.

What facts would satisfy you beyond scientific experiments and footage?
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Filling a bath and two lines on a window for this clown
 
Nukehasslefan said:
How does any of them prove a spinning globe?
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As the pendulum swings back and forth in the plane, the earth rotates beneath it in a predictable, consistent manner.
The rate of rotation of the pendulum is equal to the rate of rotation of the earth multiplied by the sine of the degrees of latitude, clockwise in the northern hemisphere and anticlockwise in the south. Put it on the equator and it doesn't rotate.
Nukehasslefan said:
It doesn't but it proves the earth is not a spinning globe.
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:confused: How?
 
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Nukehasslefan said:
You have not observed anything to do with a global earth.
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I can't believe I'm biting here, but anyway:

In the northern hemisphere (first clue) you can observe the stars rotating anti-clockwise around the celestial north pole. The further south you go, the closer the celestial north pole gets to the horizon, before disappearing below it as you get to the southern hemisphere (2nd clue). From the southern hemisphere, you can observe the stars rotating clockwise around the celestial south pole. On a flat Earth model, you would always be able to see the celestial north pole.

No flat Earth model has ever come close to explaining this, yet the globe model explains it perfectly.
 
rudd said:
The rate of rotation of the pendulum is equal to the rate of rotation of the earth multiplied by the sine of the degrees of latitude, clockwise in the northern hemisphere and anticlockwise in the south. Put it on the equator and it doesn't rotate. As the pendulum swings back and forth in the plane, the earth rotates beneath it in a predictable, consistent manner.
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No. The pendulum itself moves around the area and the pretence is the area is moving under the pendulum.
 
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