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robbied1 said:
Flat earth conspiracy is infact just a conspiracy in itself to deter people away from the truth about other conspiracies
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robbied1 said:
I bet nobody has ever met anybody that thinks the earth is flat, all these flat earth conspiracies are there just to make things like the true 9/11, 7/7, moon landings stuff and other things the govt's want to cover up sound ridiculous. They put the flat earth conspiracies in with them
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@parm @Nukehasslefan

Thoughts on this? I’d be interested to know between the three of you, which conspiracy theories are true, and which ones (like Robbie thinks about the flat earth one) are put out there to discredit you by making you look like idiots.
 

Baloo said:
@parm @Nukehasslefan

Thoughts on this? I’d be interested to know between the three of you, which conspiracy theories are true, and which ones (like Robbie thinks about the flat earth one) are put out there to discredit you by making you look like idiots.
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It doesn't matter what people think. People are naturally going to go with the mass flow of being on a spinning ball for absolutely no other reason than, they were basically schooled into it and given pictures supposedly showing a globe in space and video of a supposed globe.

If any sci-fi film was shown about landing on different so called planets but was actually sold as "this is based on true events" then people would naturally go with that flow.
Anyone who dared call it fiction would be cast off as the classic media bashing of "conspiracy nutters" and tin foil hat wearing freaks....etc.

People will have no issue with throwing logic out of the window if it means they get to be in a mass comfort blanket.
As for flat earth. People are lumped into the flat earth category the very second they dispute anything to do with the global schooling.

All it takes is for someone to say " ahhh, I don't think we're on a globe" and it's " oh look he/she's one of those flat earth tards".....etc.


Everyone who can see and feel will know the earth in terms of rough terrain, isn't flat.
Anyone with some logic will also know that a flat earth depicted as water and ships falling off the edge, doesn't sit well.

But then we have to sit back and use the same logic to ask ourselves why we need containers to keep water in.
Why can't we just store water on a football or a flat table and build it up.
Why can't we just run a bath that is slightly convexly curved and fill it to the depth we want?

The answers are obvious and I'd rightly be called silly if I tried to push that.
Yet people have no issue of having oceans covering a spinning globe, as they're told/schooled.
Anyone can see if you spin something, things fly away from it. Water is pushed away from it.


No matter how much they try to re-enact that thought process into physical experiment, they cannot do it. But that doesn't matter. What matters is, mass opinion and adherence to official lines/authority they take as a given.

Fill your bath and water conforms to the container and levels off.

Go to a pond and the water is contained, level and flat.
But people are willing to forsake all of that because the schooling is a spinning globe with lots of cartoon drawings and CGI and all kinds of stuff (in my opinion).
We are treated to school like models in pictures on so called moons and planets and handed stories of probes launched in the 70's still happily sending back messages from billions and billions of miles. And people have no issue in accepting this because they follow a trend of the masses.

I used to believe it all many many years ago.
Many many years ago I actually only heard the name of Neil Armstrong landing on the moon, as I was told.

I was shocked to find that 6 had supposedly done it.

I had no issue believing in a spinning earth with a 93 million mile sun.
I remember as a kid thinking, "wow" just think we're spinning so fast we don't know it and we don't fall off.
I used to go night fishing and look up from the pier and say, just think we could be upside down but the Australians are.

When I first heard of a flat earth I thought of cultists and nutters and such. I just thought, "how can people believe the Earth is a flat plate. The water would fall off".....etc.

And then you see stuff that makes you go "hang on a minute."
The moon story set me off into questioning.
Once you see something that looks odd, you delve.

Once you delve it becomes apparent that we are being fed fairy stories, in my honest opinion.

The thing is, people will still follow the mass opinions because next to nobody wants to be cast off as a nut job. People would rather argue for their official story by reciting it and everything that comes off the back of it, against those who do not follow it.

Basically those who argue against it are cast off as flat earth nutters and the go to mindset of people who think it, go with the flow that a flat earther believes in a flat disc held up by turtles or whatever because that generally looks the potential silliest set up, so that is the go to version.

My simple argument is, the calm waters of Earth are level and flat and can be observed, tested and repeated to show the reality.
However, the go to story is, water curves convexly

Nobody has the real truth until they have the physical truth. Many pretend they do but cannot back it up and will happily beat down what they believe to be, a flat earther.

Go against any flow and you are a leper, simple as that.
 
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Nukehasslefan said:
It doesn't matter what people think. People are naturally going to go with the mass flow of being on a spinning ball for absolutely no other reason than, they were basically schooled into it and given pictures supposedly showing a globe in space and video of a supposed globe.

If any sci-fi film was shown about landing on different so called planets but was actually sold as "this is based on true events" then people would naturally go with that flow.
Anyone who dared call it fiction would be cast off as the classic media bashing of "conspiracy nutters" and tin foil hat wearing freaks....etc.

People will have no issue with throwing logic out of the window if it means they get to be in a mass comfort blanket.
As for flat earth. People are lumped into the flat earth category the very second they dispute anything to do with the global schooling.

All it takes is for someone to say " ahhh, I don't think we're on a globe" and it's " oh look he/she's one of those flat earth tards".....etc.


Everyone who can see and feel will know the earth in terms of rough terrain, isn't flat.
Anyone with some logic will also know that a flat earth depicted as water and ships falling off the edge, doesn't sit well.

But then we have to sit back and use the same logic to ask ourselves why we need containers to keep water in.
Why can't we just store water on a football or a flat table and build it up.
Why can't we just run a bath that is slightly convexly curved and fill it to the depth we want?

The answers are obvious and I'd rightly be called silly if I tried to push that.
Yet people have no issue of having oceans covering a spinning globe, as they're told/schooled.
Anyone can see if you spin something, things fly away from it. Water is pushed away from it.


No matter how much they try to re-enact that thought process into physical experiment, they cannot do it. But that doesn't matter. What matters is, mass opinion and adherence to official lines/authority they take as a given.

Fill your bath and water conforms to the container and levels off.

Go to a pond and the water is contained, level and flat.
But people are willing to forsake all of that because the schooling is a spinning globe with lots of cartoon drawings and CGI and all kinds of stuff (in my opinion).
We are treated to school like models in pictures on so called moons and planets and handed stories of probes launched in the 70's still happily sending back messages from billions and billions of miles. And people have no issue in accepting this because they follow a trend of the masses.

I used to believe it all many many years ago.
Many many years ago I actually only heard the name of Neil Armstrong landing on the moon, as I was told.

I was shocked to find that 6 had supposedly done it.

I had no issue believing in a spinning earth with a 93 million mile sun.
I remember as a kid thinking, "wow" just think we're spinning so fast we don't know it and we don't fall off.
I used to go night fishing and look up from the pier and say, just think we could be upside down but the Australians are.

When I first heard of a flat earth I thought of cultists and nutters and such. I just thought, "how can people believe the Earth is a flat plate. The water would fall off".....etc.

And then you see stuff that makes you go "hang on a minute."
The moon story set me off into questioning.
Once you see something that looks odd, you delve.

Once you delve it becomes apparent that we are being fed fairy stories, in my honest opinion.

The thing is, people will still follow the mass opinions because next to nobody wants to be cast off as a nut job. People would rather argue for their official story by reciting it and everything that comes off the back of it, against those who do not follow it.

Basically those who argue against it are cast off as flat earth nutters and the go to mindset of people who think it, go with the flow that a flat earther believes in a flat disc held up by turtles or whatever because that generally looks the potential silliest set up, so that is the go to version.

My simple argument is, the calm waters of Earth are level and flat and can be observed, tested and repeated to show the reality.
However, the go to story is, water curves convexly

Nobody has the real truth until they have the physical truth. Many pretend they do but cannot back it up and will happily beat down what they believe to be, a flat earther.

Go against any flow and you are a leper, simple as that.
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The problem is that flat earthers apply a different level of scientific rigour to the arguments against a flat earth than they do to the argument that the earth is flat. There is plenty of observable evidence that we are in fact a spinning globe whereas arguments ‘proving’ a flat earth are easily refuted.

The common theme running through flat earth narrative is that we’re being fed fairy stories by authorities with the moon landing being the thread that runs through the argument. I see the logic of the moon landing conspiracy…it’s feasible that the US would want to be seen to win the space race by fair means or foul. That doesn’t mean the earth is flat.
 
I was thinking a few weeks ago we had not had a flat earth thread for a while, new or bumped.

I was tempted to bump one during the partial eclipse last month. Part of the sun blocked out by the moon down where in Kent. Much more of it blocking out the sun in the north. Full eclipse in northern Canada. It gets pretty hard to explain that one away without made up physics and magic bending light.

Where as this image matches exactly what is observed. You can also recreate the effect on a table at home using a lamp, ball and a couple of cameras/phones to represent the observers on earth.

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DaveH said:
I was thinking a few weeks ago we had not had a flat earth thread for a while, new or bumped.

I was tempted to bump one during the partial eclipse last month. Part of the sun blocked out by the moon down where in Kent. Much more of it blocking out the sun in the north. Full eclipse in northern Canada. It gets pretty hard to explain that one away without made up physics and magic bending light.

Where as this image matches exactly what is observed. You can also recreate the effect on a table at home using a lamp, ball and a couple of cameras/phones to represent the observers on earth.

Logon or register to see this image
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‘Magic bending light’…are you refuting refraction? They teach this in primary school
 
Boris Bear said:
The problem is that flat earthers apply a different level of scientific rigour to the arguments against a flat earth than they do to the argument that the earth is flat. There is plenty of observable evidence that we are in fact a spinning globe whereas arguments ‘proving’ a flat earth are easily refuted.

The common theme running through flat earth narrative is that we’re being fed fairy stories by authorities with the moon landing being the thread that runs through the argument. I see the logic of the moon landing conspiracy…it’s feasible that the US would want to be seen to win the space race by fair means or foul. That doesn’t mean the earth is flat.
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We shouldn’t even be having the discussion. They are either attention seekers or have mental health issues. Either way it’s not a discussion that merits any of our precious time.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
It doesn't matter what people think. People are naturally going to go with the mass flow of being on a spinning ball for absolutely no other reason than, they were basically schooled into it and given pictures supposedly showing a globe in space and video of a supposed globe.

If any sci-fi film was shown about landing on different so called planets but was actually sold as "this is based on true events" then people would naturally go with that flow.
Anyone who dared call it fiction would be cast off as the classic media bashing of "conspiracy nutters" and tin foil hat wearing freaks....etc.

People will have no issue with throwing logic out of the window if it means they get to be in a mass comfort blanket.
As for flat earth. People are lumped into the flat earth category the very second they dispute anything to do with the global schooling.

All it takes is for someone to say " ahhh, I don't think we're on a globe" and it's " oh look he/she's one of those flat earth tards".....etc.


Everyone who can see and feel will know the earth in terms of rough terrain, isn't flat.
Anyone with some logic will also know that a flat earth depicted as water and ships falling off the edge, doesn't sit well.

But then we have to sit back and use the same logic to ask ourselves why we need containers to keep water in.
Why can't we just store water on a football or a flat table and build it up.
Why can't we just run a bath that is slightly convexly curved and fill it to the depth we want?

The answers are obvious and I'd rightly be called silly if I tried to push that.
Yet people have no issue of having oceans covering a spinning globe, as they're told/schooled.
Anyone can see if you spin something, things fly away from it. Water is pushed away from it.


No matter how much they try to re-enact that thought process into physical experiment, they cannot do it. But that doesn't matter. What matters is, mass opinion and adherence to official lines/authority they take as a given.

Fill your bath and water conforms to the container and levels off.

Go to a pond and the water is contained, level and flat.
But people are willing to forsake all of that because the schooling is a spinning globe with lots of cartoon drawings and CGI and all kinds of stuff (in my opinion).
We are treated to school like models in pictures on so called moons and planets and handed stories of probes launched in the 70's still happily sending back messages from billions and billions of miles. And people have no issue in accepting this because they follow a trend of the masses.

I used to believe it all many many years ago.
Many many years ago I actually only heard the name of Neil Armstrong landing on the moon, as I was told.

I was shocked to find that 6 had supposedly done it.

I had no issue believing in a spinning earth with a 93 million mile sun.
I remember as a kid thinking, "wow" just think we're spinning so fast we don't know it and we don't fall off.
I used to go night fishing and look up from the pier and say, just think we could be upside down but the Australians are.

When I first heard of a flat earth I thought of cultists and nutters and such. I just thought, "how can people believe the Earth is a flat plate. The water would fall off".....etc.

And then you see stuff that makes you go "hang on a minute."
The moon story set me off into questioning.
Once you see something that looks odd, you delve.

Once you delve it becomes apparent that we are being fed fairy stories, in my honest opinion.

The thing is, people will still follow the mass opinions because next to nobody wants to be cast off as a nut job. People would rather argue for their official story by reciting it and everything that comes off the back of it, against those who do not follow it.

Basically those who argue against it are cast off as flat earth nutters and the go to mindset of people who think it, go with the flow that a flat earther believes in a flat disc held up by turtles or whatever because that generally looks the potential silliest set up, so that is the go to version.

My simple argument is, the calm waters of Earth are level and flat and can be observed, tested and repeated to show the reality.
However, the go to story is, water curves convexly

Nobody has the real truth until they have the physical truth. Many pretend they do but cannot back it up and will happily beat down what they believe to be, a flat earther.

Go against any flow and you are a leper, simple as that.
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Not having a go at you but none of that answers the question you were asked. The poster simply asked which conspiracy theories you believe are true and which ones are out there to discredit other theories.

What's the point of going to the lengths of making long posts and going to the trouble of explaining yourself if as you say above - it doesn't matter what people think?
 
Boris Bear said:
The problem is that flat earthers apply a different level of scientific rigour to the arguments against a flat earth than they do to the argument that the earth is flat. There is plenty of observable evidence that we are in fact a spinning globe whereas arguments ‘proving’ a flat earth are easily refuted.
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There's n no provable evidence for a spinning globe. Absolutely none.
Plenty of stories and cartoon pictures/CGI but no real proof.

Boris Bear said:
The common theme running through flat earth narrative is that we’re being fed fairy stories by authorities with the moon landing being the thread that runs through the argument.
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The common theme for some if to cast anyone off as a flat earth nut if they question space and moon stuff....etc.
You don;t have to be a flat earth thinker to question the moon landing story.



Boris Bear said:
I see the logic of the moon landing conspiracy…it’s feasible that the US would want to be seen to win the space race by fair means or foul.
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It's also feasible that it's just a worldwide game of shenanigans on the ordinary people.
It comes down to proving any of it.
If people can't prove anyone of it who are arguing it then the dabte rolls on with only the logical minds of those who view the too and fro of the arguments to decide for themselves what seems a potential reality of postulations.


Boris Bear said:
That doesn’t mean the earth is flat.
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Who's saying it does?
 
Boris Bear said:
Primary school for me. I remember learning about reflection and refraction.

Built a periscope in secondary school mind.
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It was in a Secondary School Physics lesson for us. It was in Joe Davison's Physics lab. I was fairly sure we only had him for A-Level Physics but maybe my memory is failing a bit here. It was definitely that lab as I remember the desk with the bits of paper where we drew the angles.

In 3rd year juniors (Y5 in modern money) we had this nutcase old happy clapper John Hall from Chester-le-Street. He had us learning the formulae for volumes of a cone, cylinder and a sphere. Also... reams and reams of collective nouns. It wasn't (and still isn't) junior level work and it just put off most of the class from Maths... or indeed any sort of school work.
 
Northern Boarders said:
Not having a go at you but none of that answers the question you were asked. The poster simply asked which conspiracy theories you believe are true and which ones are out there to discredit other theories.

What's the point of going to the lengths of making long posts and going to the trouble of explaining yourself if as you say above - it doesn't matter what people think?
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You are under no obligation to read anything I say.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
There's n no provable evidence for a spinning globe. Absolutely none.
Plenty of stories and cartoon pictures/CGI but no real proof.
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Apart from the fact you can observe the anti-clockwise rotation of the Earth in the northern hemisphere and the clockwise rotation in the southern hemisphere, as many on here (myself included) have done without the need for any equipment whatsoever.

But as we know, flat earthers and facts don't enjoy each other's company. Probably why they're also mostly covid deniers and anti-vaxxers.
 
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