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Batting has been rank for years. The team has been carried by the bowling.
I don't think the quality at test level in the whole game is very good. 13 wins in the last 29 games. It is what it is but I stand by my view, I don't think we're very good.
we won't be once jimmy and broad pack innah the standard of pace bowling around the world is absolutely top notch, as hard as it’s ever been
almost every side is absolutely blessed
The perceived standard of bowling is directly influenced by the standard of batting. When you have test match batsmen brought up on a diet of T20 and ODI then they will give their wickets away easier, making it easier for the bowlers.we won't be once jimmy and broad pack in
has archer really done the business yet?
wood is good but is he reliable with injuries?
The perceived standard of bowling is directly influenced by the standard of batting. When you have test match batsmen brought up on a diet of T20 and ODI then they will give their wickets away easier, making it easier for the bowlers.
I don’t think the current crop of international bowlers (of all countries) are any better than went before them, more that the batsmen are flattering them.
Better than Hadlee, Cairns, Chatfield...?dony agree at all, that’s nonsense sorry
they’re exceptional
best NZ attack of all time for starters
We went for years without scoring 400+ in any innings under Moores and Bayliss. I would bet we've got the lowest average first innings score of the top five or six teams.we’ve made a lot of 400 plus first innings scores before this little run
Malan did well in Australia last time and is better suited to those conditions.Seam bowling is in a good position for the next year I'd say and I don't think the lack of a spinner had any bearing on these 2 tests but the Batting lineup needs decisions to be made. We need to find a 2,3 and 6 and the question will be who do we go with. Keep with the young batsmen who are playing or go back to someone who has tried and failed before (Bairstow/Malan/Vince).
2 - I'd give Hameed a go.
3 - I'd go back to Malan.
6 - I'd give Pope longer.
in real life I'm quiet and placid
dobell’s sentiment was that English cricket is a mess and we got lucky with stokes n archer, 2 non uk born cricketers, his words
I think that’s a tad dramatic for Taylor. I really liked the lad, and think he would have done well, but you’re pushing his ability a bitI f*cking HATE that argument, it doesn’t just apply to cricket either.
As for ‘lucky’, what about the luck we had with Taylor? One of the most gifted and pleasing on the eye home-grown batsmen we’ve had in decades forced to retire because of a one in a million heart condition.
I think that’s a tad dramatic for Taylor. I really liked the lad, and think he would have done well, but you’re pushing his ability a bit
We went for years without scoring 400+ in any innings under Moores and Bayliss. I would bet we've got the lowest average first innings score of the top five or six teams.
Malan did well in Australia last time and is better suited to those conditions.
I f*cking HATE that argument, it doesn’t just apply to cricket either.
As for ‘lucky’, what about the luck we had with Taylor? One of the most gifted and pleasing on the eye home-grown batsmen we’ve had in decades forced to retire because of a one in a million heart condition.
how the hell has this crazy news flown under the radar?
We went for years without scoring 400+ in any innings under Moores and Bayliss. I would bet we've got the lowest average first innings score of the top five or six teams.
Malan did well in Australia last time and is better suited to those conditions.
I am on about under Silverwood with these batsmna, we have passed 400 a lod
Why does a ‘ proper opener’ or 3 have to be grinder?The same batsmen give or take 1 or 2 played for Bayliss. Why are previous performances irrelevant? I think the biggest upturn came with Sibley operating as a proper opener as he protects Root from the new ball. If he doesn't stay in we struggle. They need another grinder at three.
Why does a ‘ proper opener’ or 3 have to be grinder?
We need a good top 3 full stop, not sure what this obsession is with grinders, as if that is a solution to our problems.
It isn’t, if we did not have grinders in the top order, we may have been able to go for a win in the first test, which although unlikely was possible after that declaration, but with Sibley there it was never on.
I get what your saying we need to protect Root from getting exposed to the new ball, totally get that, but it is possible to stay at the crease and still score runs quicker than the likes of Sibley.
It doesn’t have to be too quick or too much the other way, as again I know what you were saying when Bayliss was in charge and for example opening with Roy was a ridiculous decision, possibly one of the worst decisions taken by England in recent years.
But there is a balance to be had as with anything and nothing wrong like looking to rotate strike etc, and be positive.
There seems to be this opinion that really good test teams need grinders to put the opposition down, but the two best teams in history by a country mile, West Indies and Australia were positive teams.
There seems to this opinion now, that we solely need openers to just occupy the crease as if scoring runs is secondary, it’s not there is a balance to be had and if we can have openers who cannot just grind but score runs at a balanced pace surely that’s better than just grinders!
Sibley is 15 runs away from 1,000 in tests. At the current rate, he will be the 10th slowest scoring player in history* in an era where scoring rates are high. Slower players will include Tavare, Brearley and Gillespie
*strike rates have only been calculated since the mid 70s I think
There seems to be this opinion that really good test teams need grinders to put the opposition down, but the two best teams in history by a country mile, West Indies and Australia were positive teams.