Two men killed in Tesla car crash 'without driver' in seat



It’s the result of dumb people trusting semi automated systems. Until we are at a fully autonomous level things like this will continue to happen. I still think the Tesla auto pilot saves far more lives than it takes right now mind.
 
MorNando06660 said:
It’s the result of dumb people trusting semi automated systems. Until we are at a fully autonomous level things like this will continue to happen. I still think the Tesla auto pilot saves far more lives than it takes right now mind.
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It took decades to get flying to the level of safety we see today.
The parameters in driving must be way way beyond those of airlines.
 
joemcdokes said:
It took decades to get flying to the level of safety we see today.
The parameters in driving must be way way beyond those of airlines.
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They are. I don’t automate cars using AI but I do write code for a living. It’s very easy to automate flying in comparison because you don’t have many variables at all. Roads come in all shapes, sizes and terrain. Then you have pedestrians, road works, traffic lights, round abouts, fading white lines or even lines that don’t exist. We also have to consider sensors and cameras that may become damaged or malfunction. On aircraft they are checked every flight.

It’s incredibly complex. We are becoming more technologically advanced in an exponential way though and I do expect this to be solved in the next 5 years.
 
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MorNando06660 said:
They are. I don’t automate cars using AI but I do write code for a living. It’s very easy to automate flying in comparison because you don’t have many variables at all. Roads come in all shapes, sizes and terrain. Then you have pedestrians, road works, traffic lights, round abouts, fading white lines or even lines that don’t exist. We also have to consider sensors and cameras that may become damaged or malfunction. On aircraft they are checked every flight.

It’s incredibly complex. We are becoming more technologically advanced in an exponential way though and I do expect this to be solved in the next 5 years.
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Far too early to trust the current technology for me but too late for some sadly.
 
joemcdokes said:
Far too early to trust the current technology for me but too late for some sadly.
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It absolutely is too early, but it doesn’t mean we can’t use it as an aid. It is fantastic when used correctly where the driver is still paying attention. It does do very well at getting most things right which does save lives.
 
MorNando06660 said:
It absolutely is too early, but it doesn’t mean we can’t use it as an aid. It is fantastic when used correctly where the driver is still paying attention. It does do very well at getting most things right which does save lives.
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You’d have to have loads of data to see how, I know there’s technology in my car that comes into play when it just thinks something is going to happen.

It’s annoying.
 
I tested the semi-automated driving function on my Peugeot e-2008 in some heavy traffic in Scarborough last summer. It worked really well but it feels so unnatural to not have to touch the pedals. I also gave it a go on the motorway where it even takes care of the steering for you. It senses when you take your hands off the wheel so there’s still a need for a person.
 
joemcdokes said:
You’d have to have loads of data to see how, I know there’s technology in my car that comes into play when it just thinks something is going to happen.

It’s annoying.
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Lester1979 said:
I tested the semi-automated driving function on my Peugeot e-2008 in some heavy traffic in Scarborough last summer. It worked really well but it feels so unnatural to not have to touch the pedals. I also gave it a go on the motorway where it even takes care of the steering for you. It senses when you take your hands off the wheel so there’s still a need for a person.
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I have driven a Tesla before who are streets ahead of the competition. Anything else isn’t in the same league right now. It changes lane for you on a motorway to overtake and stops/starts at a red light.

It also senses when you take your hands off the wheel in a Tesla too but you can get round the whole thing by wedging a tennis ball between the middle section and the wheel. I shit you not, people are actually doing this to get round the safety measures. Like I said, it’s the dumb people who are dying.
Edit: I think the tennis ball thing was fixed quite quickly a few year ago.
 
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MorNando06660 said:
I have driven a Tesla before who are streets ahead of the competition. Anything else isn’t in the same league right now. It changes lane for you on a motorway to overtake and stops/starts at a red light.

It also senses when you take your hands off the wheel in a Tesla too but you can get round the whole thing by wedging a tennis ball between the middle section and the wheel. I shit you not, people are actually doing this to get round the safety measures. Like I said, it’s the dumb people who are dying.
Edit: I think the tennis ball thing was fixed quite quickly a few year ago.
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Yeah the Peugeot isn’t on the same level as Tesla but still very impressive when driving through a busy town/city.
 
MorNando06660 said:
They are. I don’t automate cars using AI but I do write code for a living. It’s very easy to automate flying in comparison because you don’t have many variables at all. Roads come in all shapes, sizes and terrain. Then you have pedestrians, road works, traffic lights, round abouts, fading white lines or even lines that don’t exist. We also have to consider sensors and cameras that may become damaged or malfunction. On aircraft they are checked every flight.

It’s incredibly complex. We are becoming more technologically advanced in an exponential way though and I do expect this to be solved in the next 5 years.
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I guess for it to work properly, every car needs to be talking to each other plus the roads and the furniture need to be “smart”.
 
Baloo said:
I guess for it to work properly, every car needs to be talking to each other plus the roads and the furniture need to be “smart”.
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Which in reality isn't going to happen, it's another fantasy. What the US is allowing with Tesla is a disgrace, using public roads to test their product. It's insane.
 
Baloo said:
I guess for it to work properly, every car needs to be talking to each other plus the roads and the furniture need to be “smart”.
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James said:
Which in reality isn't going to happen, it's another fantasy. What the US is allowing with Tesla is a disgrace, using public roads to test their product. It's insane.
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I do legitimately think they will crack self driving without changing the environment.

What is more controversial is that Tesla don’t think the use of lidar (laser technology) is needed to assist their cameras. It’s too expensive apparently and they want the cost of the car to come down. Personally I think it absolutely should be used as safety should come before cost. But they are doing great things to advance cars so what do I know!
 
MorNando06660 said:
I do legitimately think they will crack self driving without changing the environment.

What is more controversial is that Tesla don’t think the use of lidar (laser technology) is needed to assist their cameras. It’s too expensive apparently and they want the cost of the car to come down. Personally I think it absolutely should be used as safety should come before cost. But they are doing great things to advance cars so what do I know!
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I don't think they'll ever manage it without fundamentally changing the layouts of roads and who can use them, which in itself is a dangerous precedent. We're only now beginning to unpick the mess of anti-pedestrian and pro-automobile planning of the 60s and 70s, it would be nice if we didn't start undoing that to compensate for technological struggles.

On on a controlled environment like a motorway I can see how it could work, but anywhere urban isn't going to happen imo, too many variables. The cash will start slowing at some point as well, they're spending billions on this but it's not getting any closer to being reality. Cost of the unit is also a huge factor as you mention, it surely kills your business model.
 
MorNando06660 said:
I do legitimately think they will crack self driving without changing the environment.
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To do it they would have to make all traffic automated I reckon.
Shandy drinker said:
If driverless cars were going to be the future planes wouldn’t need to fly with pilots
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They don't in a way one could probably fly from US to UK on autopilot once in air.

Wouldn't want to be in it when it lands though:lol:
 
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James said:
I don't think they'll ever manage it without fundamentally changing the layouts of roads and who can use them, which in itself is a dangerous precedent. We're only now beginning to unpick the mess of anti-pedestrian and pro-automobile planning of the 60s and 70s, it would be nice if we didn't start undoing that to compensate for technological struggles.

On on a controlled environment like a motorway I can see how it could work, but anywhere urban isn't going to happen imo, too many variables. The cash will start slowing at some point as well, they're spending billions on this but it's not getting any closer to being reality. Cost of the unit is also a huge factor as you mention, it surely kills your business model.
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I’m not sure I share your pessimistic view.

https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-full-self-driving-release-in-2021

Taken from the link above:
In the US, car accidents occur every 479,000 miles, according to NHTSA data. Meanwhile, in Q3 2020, Tesla recorded one accident for every 4.59 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. These data demonstrate Tesla Autopilot's colossal safety performance—almost 10 times safer than a human driver.

Tesla are supposedly rolling out a full auto version of their autopilot system (level 5) at the end of this year with huge improvements. Whether it will happen that quick I’m not sure but it will happen and it will happen fast, but won’t be mainstream for another 5-10 years.

Ford are also catching up too and they have their own version hot on the heels. It’s called BlueCruise
 
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