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MackemX said:
"Or buy the club if drops down the divisions" 🤔 I think even if they dropped into League 2 they wouldn't raise enough to buy them.

This will end up with the money going to charities so at least something good it going to come out of it 👍

Oh aye, in case people don't know, the 1892 is 1st August 1992 when they were formed ;)

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We went for 37m (so I believe) and own our ground and have a modern academy/training ground. If they dropped to L1 and didn't rebound (like us) you could see a sale price of 30m so a 10% stake.

It's only been live 2 hours or so and already they raised 3,724 (or 0.12%). This could seriously backfire.
 

Anyone know what this is about? :lol:

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Me dad wanted to know how much Joelinton cost, someone has been mischievous.​

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1p, that much? 🤣🤣🤣 mags got royally bummed in that deal 😂😂😂
 
Don't think you should be asking for specific pledges regarding buying a share in the club unless the opportunity is actually there. Currently Ashley won't sell anything to them, and there's no guarantee that a new owner will want them to have a share either. Asking people to give what they can and then saying "if we don't get round to doing it (no timescale given) we'll donate it to charity" doesn't sit right with me at all. They should fund raise when it actually becomes a possibility. I'm all for charity donations, but if I'm donating specifically to try and buy a part of the club, thats what I want the money to be used for. Keep it there until the chance arises, or even refund it. Give the option of giving it to charity but I don't like the assumption that people should just think "aye that's fine".
 
MackemX said:
Anyone know what this is about? :lol:

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Sounds like whoever is running it is a robbing kernt haha

Sounded like a scam straight from the off for the % for running it.

Whole lot may get trousered :lol:
Guinness Guzzler said:
Don't think you should be asking for specific pledges regarding buying a share in the club unless the opportunity is actually there. Currently Ashley won't sell anything to them, and there's no guarantee that a new owner will want them to have a share either. Asking people to give what they can and then saying "if we don't get round to doing it (no timescale given) we'll donate it to charity" doesn't sit right with me at all. They should fund raise when it actually becomes a possibility. I'm all for charity donations, but if I'm donating specifically to try and buy a part of the club, thats what I want the money to be used for. Keep it there until the chance arises, or even refund it. Give the option of giving it to charity but I don't like the assumption that people should just think "aye that's fine".
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It sounds proper dodgy and them deluded whoppers will fall for it.
 
Where do I start.....

I think the intention is nice of having fan representation on the board (or even just being kept up to date as the current fans forums don't happen or are just PR puff) but fans rule with hearts and not heads. You've seen twitter - people can't agree on who should play as left back what hope have we got for them to agree on a club direction?

My issue with the Trust is that it's in a Twitter echo chamber where everyone agrees and as 'super' fans you can't challenge it or you're part of the problem/Ashley apologist. The problem is anything they've done hasn't landed at all because they don't connect with anyone outside of their small circle. Look at the walkouts etc - it didn't work. And what qualifies Warren Barton and George Caulkin to steer this? What have the trust done with its existing funds? Too many questions.

We are where we are who's to say a new owner wants fans on board? Am I gonna spend £300m (or less if we go down) to be challenged by a bloke who runs a Taxi firm and his band of superfans?

We all know all we really want is some development from youth (nice to have) and a bit of pride and just 'trying to progress' and not existing. I'd guess outside the top 6 thats all most football fans want.

I'm fairly sure down at Sports Direct HQ they'll be using Donnay tracksuits to wipe away the mess from Ashley pissing himself laughing at this latest development
 
BigPeter said:
Sounds like whoever is running it is a robbing kernt haha

Sounded like a scam straight from the off for the % for running it.

Whole lot may get trousered :lol:
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Seems to suggest that if it isn’t a success then it’ll get donated to charity. Got some fairly high profile figures behind it like Caulkin and Warren Barton so doubt it’ll get nicked.

Will be interesting to see how it goes, may well open the door to fans being part owners of clubs at all levels - much like in Germany
 
jlaws said:
We went for 37m (so I believe) and own our ground and have a modern academy/training ground. If they dropped to L1 and didn't rebound (like us) you could see a sale price of 30m so a 10% stake.

It's only been live 2 hours or so and already they raised 3,724 (or 0.12%). This could seriously backfire.
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You mean 0.0124% don't you? They aren't showing how many people have pledged but even £30m (they wouldn't be sold that low) would mean on average 3,000,000 hoying in £10 or 300,000 hoying in £100. It won't happen and the Mags will be sold well before they raised that amount, though they may well get a stake.

BigPeter said:
Sounds like whoever is running it is a robbing kernt haha

Sounded like a scam straight from the off for the % for running it.

Whole lot may get trousered :lol:
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It's a former member, click the tweets and read through as he adds more if you click the tweet.

You must be mad...how can you trust this when the trusts former treasurer is currently in jail because he was stealing from the charities he was meant to be treasurer for...why was this never announced by the trust, that he was their treasurer at the time...

He had to sell his home to pay the charities back...coukd someone from @nufctrust
please clarify why as a trust this was never brought to the attention of members

Also at the time trust board members didn't have access to their accounts but he did... How do you know what he took and from where... I certainly won't be trusting you to look after any of my money

My question is why didn't the trust announce this when it happened, the only reason he's the former treasurer is because he's locked up

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TicoTorres said:
Seems to suggest that if it isn’t a success then it’ll get donated to charity. Got some fairly high profile figures behind it like Caulkin and Warren Barton so doubt it’ll get nicked.

Will be interesting to see how it goes, may well open the door to fans being part owners of clubs at all levels - much like in Germany
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The person running it takes his cut then rest will go to charity which is good.

Not a chance it will work just hope coin goes to good charities.
MackemX said:
You mean 0.012413333% don't you?


It's a former member, click the tweets and read through as he adds more if you click the tweet.

You must be mad...how can you trust this when the trusts former treasurer is currently in jail because he was stealing from the charities he was meant to be treasurer for...why was this never announced by the trust, that he was their treasurer at the time...

He had to sell his home to pay the charities back...coukd someone from @nufctrust
please clarify why as a trust this was never brought to the attention of members

Also at the time trust board members didn't have access to their accounts but he did... How do you know what he took and from where... I certainly won't be trusting you to look after any of my money

My question is why didn't the trust announce this when it happened, the only reason he's the former treasurer is because he's locked up

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I wasnt wrong then :lol::lol::lol:
 
Obvious Mag said:
Where do I start.....

I think the intention is nice of having fan representation on the board (or even just being kept up to date as the current fans forums don't happen or are just PR puff) but fans rule with hearts and not heads. You've seen twitter - people can't agree on who should play as left back what hope have we got for them to agree on a club direction?

My issue with the Trust is that it's in a Twitter echo chamber where everyone agrees and as 'super' fans you can't challenge it or you're part of the problem/Ashley apologist. The problem is anything they've done hasn't landed at all because they don't connect with anyone outside of their small circle. Look at the walkouts etc - it didn't work. And what qualifies Warren Barton and George Caulkin to steer this? What have the trust done with its existing funds? Too many questions.

We are where we are who's to say a new owner wants fans on board? Am I gonna spend £300m (or less if we go down) to be challenged by a bloke who runs a Taxi firm and his band of superfans?

We all know all we really want is some development from youth (nice to have) and a bit of pride and just 'trying to progress' and not existing. I'd guess outside the top 6 thats all most football fans want.

I'm fairly sure down at Sports Direct HQ they'll be using Donnay tracksuits to wipe away the mess from Ashley pissing himself laughing at this latest development
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If I can read up on it, then surely you as a Mag can.

Firstly, this is nowt to do with Ashley is it? It’s if a sale goes through they want to have representation on the board, even just 1%. Secondly, it appears that it won’t be decided by a load of people shouting on social media but by a democratic vote by trust members where the majority wins. The only way these things work is with a supporters trust or club.

It’s all about having a voice on the board - all clubs should have that tbh.
 
TicoTorres said:
If I can read up on it, then surely you as a Mag can.

Firstly, this is nowt to do with Ashley is it? It’s if a sale goes through they want to have representation on the board, even just 1%. Secondly, it appears that it won’t be decided by a load of people shouting on social media but by a democratic vote by trust members where the majority wins. The only way these things work is with a supporters trust or club.

It’s all about having a voice on the board - all clubs should have that tbh.
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Ran by a convicted scammer :lol:
 
BigPeter said:
Ran by a convicted scammer :lol:
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I thought you still had that idea with your last post and was gonna reply. It's not ran by him, he's a former trust member treasurer so not involved at all with this. I think what the lad on twitter was getting at is why weren't NUST open about what happened as to why he resigned. That's why I asked what this was about? ;):lol:
 
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Obvious Mag said:
Where do I start.....

I think the intention is nice of having fan representation on the board (or even just being kept up to date as the current fans forums don't happen or are just PR puff) but fans rule with hearts and not heads. You've seen twitter - people can't agree on who should play as left back what hope have we got for them to agree on a club direction?

My issue with the Trust is that it's in a Twitter echo chamber where everyone agrees and as 'super' fans you can't challenge it or you're part of the problem/Ashley apologist. The problem is anything they've done hasn't landed at all because they don't connect with anyone outside of their small circle. Look at the walkouts etc - it didn't work. And what qualifies Warren Barton and George Caulkin to steer this? What have the trust done with its existing funds? Too many questions.

We are where we are who's to say a new owner wants fans on board? Am I gonna spend £300m (or less if we go down) to be challenged by a bloke who runs a Taxi firm and his band of superfans?

We all know all we really want is some development from youth (nice to have) and a bit of pride and just 'trying to progress' and not existing. I'd guess outside the top 6 thats all most football fans want.

I'm fairly sure down at Sports Direct HQ they'll be using Donnay tracksuits to wipe away the mess from Ashley pissing himself laughing at this latest development
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The issue you've got is that you need a decent percentage to actually have any say in the running of the club. Can't remember the exact percentage and better not tag poor old GOM again, but it's fairly high. So do you accept less? If you do it's just a token few shares, you don't get any say whatsoever. If you can get enough that your shares can't just be removed at any point then you're likely having to raise tens of millions of pounds. That likely won't happen via twitter!

Lets say you do it though, you've somehow got millions of quid sat there, then what? Which new owner is going to come in and accept having to actually listen to the fans group? If I was a wealthy person buying a club I'd want full control. If I did have a partner it would be because I couldn't fund the whole thing. So what happens if the trust get a share in the club, all these fans will keep having to fund it, they can't just buy the shares then never put a penny in.

The best time would be if you fell through the leagues and were at risk of going bust. At that point a supporters trust can be able to take over and it could save the club. You're so far away from that, however, that it isn't worth starting to raise funds for it now! You'd know when it was needed and the fans would quickly rally around it if it was an actual thing at risk of happening. Having the trust founded and operational is the main thing, not the additional funds.

And like I say, they're very vague about how long they keep your money before donating it for you! Presumably the charities would have to be agreed upon by the members (or you could be in a very dodgy place) but even so, you might not want that money to be donated. They could donate it then find the chance arises a year later and they're back on asking you to "give what you can" again. I'm a member of the RAWA Trust, I'm supportive of trusts and the work they do regardless of the club, but this sounds to me like a misstep
 
MackemX said:
You mean 0.0124% don't you? They aren't showing how many people have pledged but even £30m (they wouldn't be sold that low) would mean on average 3,000,000 hoying in £10 or 300,000 hoying in £100. It won't happen and the Mags will be sold well before they raised that amount, though they may well get a stake.


It's a former member, click the tweets and read through as he adds more if you click the tweet.

You must be mad...how can you trust this when the trusts former treasurer is currently in jail because he was stealing from the charities he was meant to be treasurer for...why was this never announced by the trust, that he was their treasurer at the time...

He had to sell his home to pay the charities back...coukd someone from @nufctrust
please clarify why as a trust this was never brought to the attention of members

Also at the time trust board members didn't have access to their accounts but he did... How do you know what he took and from where... I certainly won't be trusting you to look after any of my money

My question is why didn't the trust announce this when it happened, the only reason he's the former treasurer is because he's locked up

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=3,724/3,000,000 = 0.12%. I amusing 3m as that is their target.
 
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