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India vs England 2nd odi

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I think it’s a fair enough decision. Not sure anyone can be conclusive about whether it is over or not. Depends what you are judging it against. It’s probably out, but can’t be sure. Probably 60-40 out. So what’s the benchmark to determine - and that’s what the third umps has done, and stayed with the benefit of the doubt decision
 
TravellingMackem said:
I think it’s a fair enough decision. Not sure anyone can be conclusive about whether it is over or not. Depends what you are judging it against. It’s probably out, but can’t be sure. Probably 60-40 out. So what’s the benchmark to determine - and that’s what the third umps has done, and stayed with the benefit of the doubt decision
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60-40 - then it's still out. Nothing about giving the benefit of the doubt to the batsmen and there's no onfield call. The TV umpire has to give his best decision.

Regardless there's nothing grounded beyond the line - you can follow the angle of the bat from the back of the bat to the front of the bat which is grounded and see there is nothing beyond the line. There's also the fact that is a single frame where the stumps are broken. There will be some tiny fraction of a time before that when the stumps are also broken.
 
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scaly_piscine said:
60-40 - then it's still out. Nothing about giving the benefit of the doubt to the batsmen or in favour of the onfield call. The TV umpire has to give his best decision.

Regardless there's nothing grounded beyond the line - you can follow the angle of the bat from the back of the bat to the front of the bat which is grounded and see there is nothing beyond the line. There's also the fact that is a single frame where the stumps are broken. There will be some tiny fraction of a time before that when the stumps are also broken.
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That’s the problem though, the marginal decision isn’t defined for the third umpire. That would normally have stayed with the onfield decision, but that doesn’t exist in the run out situation. You can’t say conclusively that it is out, there’s a possibility some marginal part of the curvature of the bat is just beyond the line which makes it difficult to call. It’s just impossible to call with the available technology.

I take your point about the mid frames, but since they don’t exist you can’t make a decision on assumptions like that - the bails could also have broken at the exact second the frame was taken, of course, however unlikely that may be.
 
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