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Your previous owners took from the club and left you on the brink, this has been evidenced previously to others of your ilk.

Read, digest and f*ck off from our forum



In spite of this, the club’s previous excesses have resulted in significant debt of £282 million, though only £150 million is held in the books of the football club with the remaining £132 million held in the holding company. The vast majority of this debt represents loans from Mike Ashley of £243 million, but there is also a bank overdraft of £36 million, which is a significant increase on the prior year balance of £1 million. Since the 2009 year-end, Ashley advanced a further £25.5 million to keep the club ticking over in the Championship, so his total investment in the club now stands at £268 million, represented by £132 million to buy the club, £70 million to repay loans and £66 million working capital.

Because most of the loans are from the owner, instead of banks, some commentators have argued that the club is effectively debt-free, though it should be noted that Ashley’s loans are now repayable on demand, whereas they were previously only repayable on demand in the event of a change of control (ownership). That said, it is clear that it is better for the football club to borrow money from the owner, as these loans are unsecured, which means that Ashley has no guarantee of repayment, and non-interest bearing. This has been important to the club’s finances, as the net interest payable has been reduced by £5 million a year.

More to the point, Ashley’s loans have been critical to the club’s survival, as it is far from clear that they would have managed to secure refinancing from the debt market. For example, Barclays Bank has insisted on securing its lending on assets and cash from transfer fees, while the last loan obtained by the previous regime under chairman Freddy Shepherd was at the prohibitively expensive interest rate of 11.72%.

In fact, it is fair to say that the previous ownership had mortgaged the club to the hilt, securing loans on virtually all the club’s assets (training ground) and future income streams (TV, sponsorship), though they would argue that this was used to fund the stadium development. Whatever the reasons, when Ashley bought the club, the holders of the loan notes invoked a change of control clause, forcing the new owner to immediately repay the £45 million outstanding, as opposed to the annual installments until 2016 that he had anticipated.


Despite his crass behaviour, there is no doubt that Mike Ashley has put his hand in his pocket to keep the club going. The unpalatable truth is that Newcastle United are heavily reliant on the support of their charmless owner. In the last two years, he has put in £111 million of new loans, initially to repay £70 million of expensive bank loans, but also providing £41 million of working capital on top of that (plus the £25.5 million subsequent to the books closing). Looking at the 2009 cash flow statement, his backing was required to help fund a £24 million loss from operating activities plus £17 million of net spend on new players, many of which were signed in previous periods, though most of the shortfall was financed by the increase in the overdraft.

The club’s deteriorating financial position is also evidenced by the balance sheet, which shows a swing from net assets of £17 million in 2005 to net liabilities of £52 million in 2009, though the players’ value in the accounts is under-stated compared to the price that they would receive in the market.

And what was the result of these staggering payments? After years of rank bad management, they left the club in an appalling mess: a £30 million loss; £70 million of debt plus £27 million owing transfer fees; extremely limited borrowing capacity, as all assets and income streams had already been used to secure loans; and a bloated wage bill of aging mercenaries on generous long-term contracts.

They also left us the indelible memory of Douglas Hall and Freddy Shepherd being caught by a News of the World sting, when they were recorded in a seedy Spanish bar, laughing about the Toon Army’s gullibility in buying replica shirts and calling Geordie women “dogs”. After this scandal, the gruesome twosome briefly resigned, only to return to the board less than a year later. Somehow, they managed to survive by spouting a lot of nonsense about “fighting for the Geordie nation” and appeasing the fans by making a marquee signing from time to time.

Incoming chairman Chris Mort criticised the old board, “If they had not been successful in refinancing the club by the end of the year, it would have folded like a pack of cards.” Admittedly, he had a vested interest, but his view was endorsed by Vinay Bedi from stockbrokers Brewin Dolphin, “Ashley bought a club that was financially going nowhere with debts increasing as player transfers built up. It was a difficult situation – it was hard to see how the club could be turned round quickly without a huge injection of cash.”


In contrast to Ashley, the former owners did very nicely out of their investment in Newcastle United, thank you very much. In fact, they absolutely coined it with the Halls (Sir John and Douglas) receiving a total of £95 million over the years, while the Shepherds (Freddy and Bruce) had to make do with £55 million. The Halls’ money comprised £55 million from the sale to Ashley, £20 million from previous share sales (to NTL and the club itself), £15 million from dividends and £5 million in salary payments, while the Shepherds’ money came from £38 million Ashley sale, £7 million dividends and £5 million salaries.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 hopefully that shuts the thick Mag arsehole up
 

Your previous owners took from the club and left you on the brink, this has been evidenced previously to others of your ilk.

Read, digest and f*ck off from our forum



In spite of this, the club’s previous excesses have resulted in significant debt of £282 million, though only £150 million is held in the books of the football club with the remaining £132 million held in the holding company. The vast majority of this debt represents loans from Mike Ashley of £243 million, but there is also a bank overdraft of £36 million, which is a significant increase on the prior year balance of £1 million. Since the 2009 year-end, Ashley advanced a further £25.5 million to keep the club ticking over in the Championship, so his total investment in the club now stands at £268 million, represented by £132 million to buy the club, £70 million to repay loans and £66 million working capital.

Because most of the loans are from the owner, instead of banks, some commentators have argued that the club is effectively debt-free, though it should be noted that Ashley’s loans are now repayable on demand, whereas they were previously only repayable on demand in the event of a change of control (ownership). That said, it is clear that it is better for the football club to borrow money from the owner, as these loans are unsecured, which means that Ashley has no guarantee of repayment, and non-interest bearing. This has been important to the club’s finances, as the net interest payable has been reduced by £5 million a year.

More to the point, Ashley’s loans have been critical to the club’s survival, as it is far from clear that they would have managed to secure refinancing from the debt market. For example, Barclays Bank has insisted on securing its lending on assets and cash from transfer fees, while the last loan obtained by the previous regime under chairman Freddy Shepherd was at the prohibitively expensive interest rate of 11.72%.

In fact, it is fair to say that the previous ownership had mortgaged the club to the hilt, securing loans on virtually all the club’s assets (training ground) and future income streams (TV, sponsorship), though they would argue that this was used to fund the stadium development. Whatever the reasons, when Ashley bought the club, the holders of the loan notes invoked a change of control clause, forcing the new owner to immediately repay the £45 million outstanding, as opposed to the annual installments until 2016 that he had anticipated.


Despite his crass behaviour, there is no doubt that Mike Ashley has put his hand in his pocket to keep the club going. The unpalatable truth is that Newcastle United are heavily reliant on the support of their charmless owner. In the last two years, he has put in £111 million of new loans, initially to repay £70 million of expensive bank loans, but also providing £41 million of working capital on top of that (plus the £25.5 million subsequent to the books closing). Looking at the 2009 cash flow statement, his backing was required to help fund a £24 million loss from operating activities plus £17 million of net spend on new players, many of which were signed in previous periods, though most of the shortfall was financed by the increase in the overdraft.

The club’s deteriorating financial position is also evidenced by the balance sheet, which shows a swing from net assets of £17 million in 2005 to net liabilities of £52 million in 2009, though the players’ value in the accounts is under-stated compared to the price that they would receive in the market.

And what was the result of these staggering payments? After years of rank bad management, they left the club in an appalling mess: a £30 million loss; £70 million of debt plus £27 million owing transfer fees; extremely limited borrowing capacity, as all assets and income streams had already been used to secure loans; and a bloated wage bill of aging mercenaries on generous long-term contracts.

They also left us the indelible memory of Douglas Hall and Freddy Shepherd being caught by a News of the World sting, when they were recorded in a seedy Spanish bar, laughing about the Toon Army’s gullibility in buying replica shirts and calling Geordie women “dogs”. After this scandal, the gruesome twosome briefly resigned, only to return to the board less than a year later. Somehow, they managed to survive by spouting a lot of nonsense about “fighting for the Geordie nation” and appeasing the fans by making a marquee signing from time to time.

Incoming chairman Chris Mort criticised the old board, “If they had not been successful in refinancing the club by the end of the year, it would have folded like a pack of cards.” Admittedly, he had a vested interest, but his view was endorsed by Vinay Bedi from stockbrokers Brewin Dolphin, “Ashley bought a club that was financially going nowhere with debts increasing as player transfers built up. It was a difficult situation – it was hard to see how the club could be turned round quickly without a huge injection of cash.”


In contrast to Ashley, the former owners did very nicely out of their investment in Newcastle United, thank you very much. In fact, they absolutely coined it with the Halls (Sir John and Douglas) receiving a total of £95 million over the years, while the Shepherds (Freddy and Bruce) had to make do with £55 million. The Halls’ money comprised £55 million from the sale to Ashley, £20 million from previous share sales (to NTL and the club itself), £15 million from dividends and £5 million in salary payments, while the Shepherds’ money came from £38 million Ashley sale, £7 million dividends and £5 million salaries.
They could have put their own money into it, easily. They chose not to. There's a difference. I don't get why you come in here to just shout abuse when it clearly winds you up. :lol:
 
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Not even a good wum.

Been made to look a tit multiple times and just comes out with rattled :lol: and impying that someone is wound up :rolleyes:

No one is wound up you are just one in a long line of shitty WUMs who has been shown up.

Go pipe off Rafa on the mag forums you fool.
 
Not even a good wum.

Been made to look a tit multiple times and just comes out with rattled :lol: and impying that someone is wound up :rolleyes:

No one is wound up you are just one in a long line of shitty WUMs who has been shown up.

Go pipe off Rafa on the mag forums you fool.
You're the ones getting angry and abusive. I'm not here to WUM - check my posts on your lot.

The problem with this thread is, when someone disagrees with those who just hate Newcastle, they're deemed a Mag **** or a WUM. You'll ignore anything that contradicts you. It's a forum, what's the point if not to discuss.
Honestly, life's not that serious big man, take it easy.
 
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You're the ones getting angry and abusive. I'm not here to WUM - check my posts on your lot.

The problem with this thread is, when someone disagrees with those who just hate Newcastle, they're deemed a Mag **** or a WUM. You'll ignore anything that contradicts you. It's a forum, what's the point if not to discuss.
Honestly, life's not that serious big man, take it easy.
Definitely Fish Face like
 
You're the ones getting angry and abusive. I'm not here to WUM - check my posts on your lot.

The problem with this thread is, when someone disagrees with those who just hate Newcastle, they're deemed a Mag **** or a WUM. You'll ignore anything that contradicts you. It's a forum, what's the point if not to discuss.
Honestly, life's not that serious big man, take it easy.

Im not angry in the slightest its pity if anything.

You're not the first and won't be the last in the long line of sad mags that come here. I doubt that is even the first login you've used either.

:oops:
 
Im not angry in the slightest its pity if anything.

You're not the first and won't be the last in the long line of sad mags that come here. I doubt that is even the first login you've used either.

:oops:
This one is in utter turmoil, facts pointed out to him but in typical mag fashion, just ignore it.

An absolute shambles of an individual.
They could have put their own money into it, easily. They chose not to. There's a difference. I don't get why you come in here to just shout abuse when it clearly winds you up. :lol:
I don’t get why you come on here to spout bollocks everyday, is your life really that empty and shite?
 
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I skipped through that article @Secret Visage posted and saw this mention Chris Mort.

Incoming chairman Chris Mort criticised the old board, “If they had not been successful in refinancing the club by the end of the year, it would have folded like a pack of cards.” Admittedly, he had a vested interest, but his view was endorsed by Vinay Bedi from stockbrokers Brewin Dolphin, “Ashley bought a club that was financially going nowhere with debts increasing as player transfers built up. It was a difficult situation – it was hard to see how the club could be turned round quickly without a huge injection of cash.”

So I googled him and he has a wiki page. What the fuck is this? :lol::lol::lol::lol:


Mort worked for Mike Ashley on his takeover of Newcastle United, and took over as chairman of the club on 24 July 2007, representing Ashley. During his short stint as chairman, Mort introduced several changes which are still seen in the club to this day, for example within the canteen at the Benton training ground, players are required to identify themselves before being served food by breathing heavily onto the server, their breath is then identified by the worker and linked to the corresponding player and meal option.
 
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I skipped through that article @Secret Visage posted and saw this mention Chris Mort.

Incoming chairman Chris Mort criticised the old board, “If they had not been successful in refinancing the club by the end of the year, it would have folded like a pack of cards.” Admittedly, he had a vested interest, but his view was endorsed by Vinay Bedi from stockbrokers Brewin Dolphin, “Ashley bought a club that was financially going nowhere with debts increasing as player transfers built up. It was a difficult situation – it was hard to see how the club could be turned round quickly without a huge injection of cash.”

So I googled him and he has a wiki page. What the fuck is this? :lol::lol::lol::lol:


Mort worked for Mike Ashley on his takeover of Newcastle United, and took over as chairman of the club on 24 July 2007, representing Ashley. During his short stint as chairman, Mort introduced several changes which are still seen in the club to this day, for example within the canteen at the Benton training ground, players are required to identify themselves before being served food by breathing heavily onto the server, their breath is then identified by the worker and linked to the corresponding player and meal option.

Futuristic bait servers :lol:
 
I skipped through that article @Secret Visage posted and saw this mention Chris Mort.

Incoming chairman Chris Mort criticised the old board, “If they had not been successful in refinancing the club by the end of the year, it would have folded like a pack of cards.” Admittedly, he had a vested interest, but his view was endorsed by Vinay Bedi from stockbrokers Brewin Dolphin, “Ashley bought a club that was financially going nowhere with debts increasing as player transfers built up. It was a difficult situation – it was hard to see how the club could be turned round quickly without a huge injection of cash.”

So I googled him and he has a wiki page. What the fuck is this? :lol::lol::lol::lol:


Mort worked for Mike Ashley on his takeover of Newcastle United, and took over as chairman of the club on 24 July 2007, representing Ashley. During his short stint as chairman, Mort introduced several changes which are still seen in the club to this day, for example within the canteen at the Benton training ground, players are required to identify themselves before being served food by breathing heavily onto the server, their breath is then identified by the worker and linked to the corresponding player and meal option.

Canny how that edit has stayed under the radar. Whenever I've edited wiki for humorous or factual purposes it has been flagged up, checked and either removed or stayed
 
Futuristic bait servers :lol:
I thought it was genuine upon first reading given I'd just absorbed loads of financal babble from the swiss rambler info before my brain caught up.

Is possibly something to do with the French players they had years ago and having onion breath?
 
I thought it was genuine upon first reading given I'd just absorbed loads of financal babble from the swiss rambler info before my brain caught up.

Is possibly something to do with the French players they had years ago and having onion breath?

Nah Mort left in 2008, only there for a year. His replacement by Llambias seemed to coincide with the breaking of relations between the ownership and fans
 
Im not angry in the slightest its pity if anything.

You're not the first and won't be the last in the long line of sad mags that come here. I doubt that is even the first login you've used either.

:oops:
:lol:

It's not, I'm fish apparently! Although I notice you and your mate are schtum when I ask you to put I bet on that I'm not. ;)

Anyway, life is too short, so let's not waste each other's time. I came here for a bit of back and forth about our clubs. I see that my presence angers you and a few others so I'll leave you and your pals to make each other chuckle.
 
Canny how that edit has stayed under the radar. Whenever I've edited wiki for humorous or factual purposes it has been flagged up, checked and either removed or stayed
I think it was done Feb 11th this year ( ) and there's one before that also from the same IP :lol:

Mort now resides in the small rural village of Rothbury, Northumberland and runs the local pub, The Brown Breath. Several locals signed a petition in 2014 to remove the sign of the pub which resembled Dragons Den Deborah Meaden breathing heavily into a brown bag, the petition was denied and the sign remained.
 
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I think it was done Feb 11th this year ( ) and there's one before that also :lol:

Mort now resides in the small rural village of Rothbury, Northumberland and runs the local pub, The Brown Breath. Several locals signed a petition in 2014 to remove the sign of the pub which resembled Dragons Den Deborah Meaden breathing heavily into a brown bag, the petition was denied and the sign remained.

Strange lol wonder what the fascination with breath is :lol:
 
I’ve explained in depth on this forum the reasons for Rafa leaving. He won’t be coming back.

If I was a betting man, and I am, if Bruce gets the push, I’ll be putting my money on a magnificent return for Pardiola.
 
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