NUFC thread 2021.

[Tommy]

I've been killing time before out match and we all know about the Liverpool 4-3's but I didn't know about this cracker with the 89th minute winner with Alan Pardew popping up for Charlton . As the crowd was in the 15,000's then there must have been nearly 40,000 locked until Keegan came in a few weeks later and NUFC 1992 was born!

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It just shows how shit they really were and the low crowds they got yet they like to whitewash their history prior to 1992 and they've always been a 'top half' challenging team. They so nearly went down that year but Keegan saved them and the millions got pumped in chasing success. Yet in the 15 years prior they'd only finished as high as 8th in Div 1 and just the once. The next highest position was 11th and their average position for those 15 years was 24th so 2nd place in Div 2 given there was 22 teams in the league at that time.

They were last finished top 4 in Division way back in 1950-51 so not really a Champions League team regular if that had been around back then. If you add all their positions up after that 4th in 1950 until 1992, it's an average of 18th so borderline relegation In the 14 years of being the Premier League with Hall etc, starting with Keegan they averaged 8th position. Since Ashley came in they've averaged 14th. Strangely enough if you simply tot up all the positions they've been in that the average is just over 14th also and it was 15th prior to 1992.

Hoying the numbers from here (

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) into Excel, here's a simple graph for us to laugh at showing the overall average position and the preceding 15 year average. Note they were 24th in 1992 yet they go on as if they're top half division team when in fact they're exactly where they belong in the bottom half

It's only in the last few years that their overall average position has gone above ours. Some may say this is TLDR or sad etc but this is just to show the dirty mags they aren't what they think they deserve and the simply bought a brief spell of success and if it wasn't for Mike Ashley they may well have been fucked financially. Until we got relegated in 1958 we averaged just over 7th and it was 1994-95 when we went above 10th so still 5 places above the Mag and it's now 12th.

Any they wonder why we call them deluded? This is the part of the reason why

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I don't understand how your graph displays the division being played in, in addition to the position? Unless I'm missing something?

 

[Secret Visage]

Good ownership isn't merely preventing the club from going into a financial abyss. From the off, his appointments in the board and bootroom have been poor. Either because they're incompetent, or at odds with the way he wants to run the club. Yet he is too arrogant to give control of those matters to someone actually competent.

= Spend more of his own money.

He's put the handbrake on the club whenever there's been opportunity to progress. Sacking Hughton, failing to build on our unlikely 5th placed finish, denying Keegand and Benitez control to the point they walk.

He's failed to improve our commercial side, making the Newcastle brand toxic by association

= Spend more of his own money.

In other words you want him to spend more of his own money, while your fanbase detest him.

No the wonder he flipped you the Vs from his car.

 

[The Fish]

Before Ashley bought the club you were a nothing club, you're still a nothing club.
Deal with it.

When comparing the 14yrs before Ashley to the 14yrs under his ownership, has Newcastle progressed, or declined?

= Spend more of his own money.

= Spend more of his own money.

In other words you want him to spend more of his own money, while your fanbase detest him.

No the wonder he flipped you the Vs from his car.

No, I want him to make better decisions, with a long term plan in mind and show ambition. If he'd reinvested the Carroll money into the academy, or the training ground, fine. If he'd found a competent DoF who operated a sell to buy model in conversation with a decent manager, fine. If he'd let a good manager have control of the limited finances, fine.

 

[Redandwhitedust]

Good ownership isn't merely preventing the club from going into a financial abyss. From the off, his appointments in the board and bootroom have been poor. Either because they're incompetent, or at odds with the way he wants to run the club. Yet he is too arrogant to give control of those matters to someone actually competent.

He's put the handbrake on the club whenever there's been opportunity to progress. Sacking Hughton, failing to build on our unlikely 5th placed finish, denying Keegand and Benitez control to the point they walk.

He's failed to improve our commercial side, making the Newcastle brand toxic by association

Tell that to fans of Bury, Darlington, etc

 

[Binxy]

When comparing the 14yrs before Ashley to the 14yrs under his ownership, has Newcastle progressed, or declined?

No, I want him to make better decisions, with a long term plan in mind and show ambition. If he'd reinvested the Carroll money into the academy, or the training ground, fine. If he'd found a competent DoF who operated a sell to buy model in conversation with a decent manager, fine. If he'd let a good manager have control of the limited finances, fine.

Why not compare his ownership to your 129 year history or does that not suit your agenda?

 

[Bears Beets]

When comparing the 14yrs before Ashley to the 14yrs under his ownership, has Newcastle progressed, or declined?

No, I want him to make better decisions, with a long term plan in mind and show ambition. If he'd reinvested the Carroll money into the academy, or the training ground, fine. If he'd found a competent DoF who operated a sell to buy model in conversation with a decent manager, fine. If he'd let a good manager have control of the limited finances, fine.

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[Hend79]

When comparing the 14yrs before Ashley to the 14yrs under his ownership, has Newcastle progressed, or declined?

Neither, as you won nowt during that 14 years before either. You will only ever be a big club in your own heads. Plus your point was every set of fans from other clubs think Ashley has been a bad owner and now that I have proven you wrong on that its only fans from a select few clubs

 

[Banks]

Man City are gonna win the league this season.
If they win all their remaining games, they will get 85 points.
In 2018 they finished 1st with 100 points.

Are both seasons equally as good?

So what if man city win the quadruple on 85 points?

Are you saying they are a worse side because the domestic league has become more competitive?

 

[Thatheaderman]

Owt happened with the takeover

 

[Banks]

Good ownership isn't merely preventing the club from going into a financial abyss. From the off, his appointments in the board and bootroom have been poor. Either because they're incompetent, or at odds with the way he wants to run the club. Yet he is too arrogant to give control of those matters to someone actually competent.

He's put the handbrake on the club whenever there's been opportunity to progress. Sacking Hughton, failing to build on our unlikely 5th placed finish, denying Keegand and Benitez control to the point they walk.

He's failed to improve our commercial side, making the Newcastle brand toxic by association

But you feel to grasp you were competitive by borrowing not through good ownership.

Ashley gets no credit for saving the mess Shepard had left you in.

The money you spent to get to the champions lesgueis now why Ashley can't compete.

He saw the mess you were in to get there. Perfect example is when you sold Andy Cole. You didn't have the clout to compete with Man Utd yet your fans hounded Keegan outside sjp the day you sold him.

 

[Eggman]

I've been killing time before out match and we all know about the Liverpool 4-3's but I didn't know about this cracker with the 89th minute winner with Alan Pardew popping up for Charlton . As the crowd was in the 15,000's then there must have been nearly 40,000 locked until Keegan came in a few weeks later and NUFC 1992 was born!

tertal entatainment.

So they were the entertainers under Ossie, not KK - tell that to Richard Keys

 

[Secret Visage]

Owt happened with the takeover

Heads will roll.

 

[ned_werby]

Noncecastle United.

unnecessary. this is childrens care and welfare here.

 

[Walmo]

But you feel to grasp you were competitive by borrowing not through good ownership.

Ashley gets no credit for saving the mess Shepard had left you in.

The money you spent to get to the champions lesgueis now why Ashley can't compete.

He saw the mess you were in to get there. Perfect example is when you sold Andy Cole. You didn't have the clout to compete with Man Utd yet your fans hounded Keegan outside sjp the day you sold him.

I think they were happy to sell Andy Cole because they thought they had Alan Shearer lined up. I seem to recall Keegan saying something like 'wait and see' to the usual rabble who had assembled to shout at the stadium after hearing the news.

You are of course correct that they can't seem to comprehend that their 'success' was achieved with debt that they couldn't afford, which should have seen a Leeds United situation for them if not for Ashley's lack of due diligence and then sound financial planning to pay it back since.

 

[Squat]

I don't understand how your graph displays the division being played in, in addition to the position? Unless I'm missing something?

it doesnt, it just takes the position/league each season in calculating the average and 15year average. you can see post 87 ours went down a lot. winning the 3rd tier would have been position 45 (?)

 

[The Fish]

Tell that to fans of Bury, Darlington, etc

This has to be one of the dumbest tropes around. Someone has it worse, so you can't complain about your troubles.

Why not compare his ownership to your 129 year history or does that not suit your agenda?

Because football has changed significantly in the past 30yrs, let alone the last century.

Neither, as you won nowt during that 14 years before either. You will only ever be a big club in your own heads. Plus your point was every set of fans from other clubs think Ashley has been a bad owner and now that I have proven you wrong on that its only fans from a select few clubs

No, you haven't. Ask the PL fans if they'd have Ashley over their own owners.

 

[Bears Beets]

So what did you do with your day today?

Not much, just posted pointless paragraphs of complete horse shit on a rivals forum

No cat treats in the co-op again?

 

[Redandwhitedust]

This has to be one of the dumbest tropes around. Someone has it worse, so you can't complain about your troubles.

The vast majority of clubs have it worse.

Newcastle fans are the rich kid complaining daddy won't buy them a new car when there's is now 2 years old.

Presumably you would say that kid has a right to complain as well? Because it's irrelevant that most kids would love a 2 year old car paid for by daddy

 

[The Fish]

But you feel to grasp you were competitive by borrowing not through good ownership.

Ashley gets no credit for saving the mess Shepard had left you in.

The money you spent to get to the champions lesgueis now why Ashley can't compete.

He saw the mess you were in to get there. Perfect example is when you sold Andy Cole. You didn't have the clout to compete with Man Utd yet your fans hounded Keegan outside sjp the day you sold him.

The money we spent to get the to Champions League is not the reason Ashley doesn't support us to aim for greater than 17th. That's simply not true.

The fans were understandably confused and frustrated when we sold Andy Cole to Man Utd at a time where he was our top goal scorer and they weren't out of reach. Keegan asked the fans to trust him, we did, and he signed Alan Shearer. A far, far better striker, who chose us over Man Utd.

 

[Banks]

This has to be one of the dumbest tropes around. Someone has it worse, so you can't complain about your troubles.

Because football has changed significantly in the past 30yrs, let alone the last century.

No, you haven't. Ask the PL fans if they'd have Ashley over their own owners.

I'd say football has changed more over the last decade than it has from 92 to 2002

Funny how to you don't want to compare that era though.

Clubs are now businesses. Partner clubs, loaning 10 players out at time to farm youngsters, clubs having second chances of champions League winning the Europa

None of this was existing when NUFC briefly challenged.

The money we spent to get the to Champions League is not the reason Ashley doesn't support us to aim for greater than 17th. That's simply not true.

The fans were understandably confused and frustrated when we sold Andy Cole to Man Utd at a time where he was our top goal scorer and they weren't out of reach. Keegan asked the fans to trust him, we did, and he signed Alan Shearer. A far, far better striker, who chose us over Man Utd.

So you think the signings of ASM Almiron Callum Wilson and Ryan Fraser are ambitions to finish 17th?

I would disagree with that personally but that destroys your point doesn't it