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NUFC thread 2021.

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Ghandi Floss said:
Not sure I’d rather see them relegated, or finish 17th.
I think the latter would bring them more misery and anguish. And at the end of the day, that’s what we want most.

But relegated would also bring amusement. So as long as they’re miserable, I suppose it’s win-win.
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The joy of seeing them getting excited in the transfer window, then frustrated, then turning into optimism once the season starts, soon to be changed into bitterness and anger lasts longer than the joy of seeing them relegated.
 

Wolfbeard said:
I would take relegation to get rid of Ashley and Bruce and get a half decent owner and manager
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Ashley isn’t as bad as plenty of other owners.

He more or less follows the received wisdom for how to run a club, the messy start to his tenure excepted.

He’s only sacked one manager in 11 years. His appointments in that time have all been experienced managers at the top level. The problem he’s got is that some of those names from the managerial merry go round are genuinely shite - reputations pumped up massively by their mates in the press.

The first time you got relegated he propped up the club and then was very frugal for the first few years, but by the time Mcclaren /Benitez took you down, he’d bought some fairly expensive players and didn’t have too bad a squad on paper. The problem was that Mcclaren was the manager.

The next time you went down he’s followed more or less the same approach, and has now spent a bit of money on the likes of Saint Maximim, Wilson etc. The biggest problem at the moment is that utter helmet Steve Bruce is in charge.

Ashley’s biggest flaw is that he’s been too trusting of the reputations of some of the utter bluffers and bullshitters in football. Don’t think he’s too bad apart from that. Aside from the very occasional utterly inexplicable left field move that he makes (Kinnear, Joelinton), he wants a stable club. There’s plenty of worse owners than him about.
 
Shieldsman said:
Don’t talk such common sense mate, especially to any Mag.
Obviously, the Saudi Arabia PIF has nothing to do with the Saudi Government despite its own web address being pif.gov.sa.
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Don’t suppose anyone knows where PIF get all their money from if it’s not from the Saudi Government?

Might be just me being a bit thick, but it must be virtually impossible to deny a link with the body that provides your source of income.
 
Mr B said:
Don’t suppose anyone knows where PIF get all their money from if it’s not from the Saudi Government?

Might be just me being a bit thick, but it must be virtually impossible to deny a link with the body that provides your source of income.
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It is very tough. Read this:

Article 2 The Fund shall report to the Council of Economic and Development Affairs. It shall have a public legal personality as well as financial and administrative independence. The Fund's headquarters shall be in the city of Riyadh; it may, as needed, establish branches within the Kingdom or abroad

So it is independent but yet reports to the Council of Economic and Development Affairs (CEDA). The Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud presides over CEDA and its 22 members include heads of major ministries and some of the members of the Council of Ministers

Then this:

The Fund shall have a board of directors to be chaired by the President of the Council of Economic and Development Affairs . Its membership shall include the Governor, as well as a minimum of four experts and specialists, provided they include representatives from relevant agencies; they shall be appointed pursuant to a royal order for a renewable term of five years.

Funnily enough the experts are largely also ministers:

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9 board members - 7 of which are ministers.
 
jlaws said:
It is very tough. Read this:

Article 2 The Fund shall report to the Council of Economic and Development Affairs. It shall have a public legal personality as well as financial and administrative independence. The Fund's headquarters shall be in the city of Riyadh; it may, as needed, establish branches within the Kingdom or abroad

So it is independent but yet reports to the Council of Economic and Development Affairs (CEDA). The Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud presides over CEDA and its 22 members include heads of major ministries and some of the members of the Council of Ministers

Then this:

The Fund shall have a board of directors to be chaired by the President of the Council of Economic and Development Affairs . Its membership shall include the Governor, as well as a minimum of four experts and specialists, provided they include representatives from relevant agencies; they shall be appointed pursuant to a royal order for a renewable term of five years.

Funnily enough the experts are largely also ministers:

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9 board members - 7 of which are ministers.
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If it was like a Duck quacks like a Duck what is it?
Answer a Magpie!
 
jlaws said:
It is very tough. Read this:

Article 2 The Fund shall report to the Council of Economic and Development Affairs. It shall have a public legal personality as well as financial and administrative independence. The Fund's headquarters shall be in the city of Riyadh; it may, as needed, establish branches within the Kingdom or abroad

So it is independent but yet reports to the Council of Economic and Development Affairs (CEDA). The Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud presides over CEDA and its 22 members include heads of major ministries and some of the members of the Council of Ministers

Then this:

The Fund shall have a board of directors to be chaired by the President of the Council of Economic and Development Affairs . Its membership shall include the Governor, as well as a minimum of four experts and specialists, provided they include representatives from relevant agencies; they shall be appointed pursuant to a royal order for a renewable term of five years.

Funnily enough the experts are largely also ministers:

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9 board members - 7 of which are ministers.
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So PIF have financial and administrative independence from the government (ie MBS), but it’s directors have to be appointed by royal order (ie MBS) and they have to report to the government (ie MBS). Any lawyer winning a case of separation based on that should be paid their weight in gold.
 
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