India v England series

[brandon]

The broad 8-15 pitch for starters. Or the time in the ashes we made spinning pitches to suit Swann. Just for starters. Plenty of green tops in England over the years.

It wasn’t the pitch. Or atleast it wasn’t because they’d prepared it to do that. The pitch was soft, with a bit of moisture because it had rained overnight and on the morning of the game - which backs up my argument that invariably it’s the weather which dictates conditions here. Something nobody has ever been able to control. Australia also won the toss and decided to bat iirc.

When did we last produce a green top for a Test Match?

 

[TravellingMackem]

It wasn’t the pitch. Or atleast it wasn’t because they’d prepared it to do that. The pitch was soft, with a bit of moisture because it had rained overnight and on the morning of the game - which backs up my argument that invariably it’s the weather which dictates conditions here. Something nobody has ever been able to control. Australia also won the toss and decided to bat iirc.

When did we last produce a green top for a Test Match?

When was the last time it would benefit us to produce a green top for a test match? We’ve got our own batting problems to deal with and we don’t do well on those pitches typically. Most tests we produce pitches that favour us, which atm is probably quite flat and let Jimmy win the game with swing through the air. If we set a green top for the first test of the ashes I reckon that’d only benefit the Aussies, for instance, with their extra pace.

The duke ball is picked entirely to our advantage too, it’s obviously benefitted Jimmy Anderson a lot over the years to have that over the Kuka. You’re crackers if you don’t think we make conditions to suit us. Well even select warm up opponents to suit ourselves no doubt, hotels for the opposition to benefit us and everything. Nothing is done by coincidence in sport.

 

[Salem Street South]

A nice article, the Gilchrist tweet is quality

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Keepers standing up to seamers is a pet hate of mine. If you’re gonna do it you better not bloody drop anything and he did. You could also make the case that Stokes takes the slip chance if they’re both stood back. Be interesting to know who’s idea it was. I hope it wasn’t over confidence on Foakes’ part.

Other than that, he was very good - a bit too much is being made of the standard of his keeping, for me, and by extension therefore how inferior Buttler’s keeping is - but it’s nice to see Foakes come in and prove his undoubted quality.

 

[The Rat]

You seem to be getting a bit rattled as you do when the insults fly and the smilies increase but i will bare with you and try and stay respectful in my reply, You have been called out and challenged about biased completely unbalanced views throughout this thread. You are like Phil Thompson commenting on Liverpool. At one stage you were slagging of umpires who give us out LBW when they were LBW and saying nothing when the same happens to their players. Imagine you if Kohli had got away with the Root decision at the end of the day - you would have spontaneously combusted as yet more further proof of a great conspiracy. You like to think of your self as knowledgeable ( but you lack any sense of objectivity when you comment on cricket. A team scores 615 runs and bats for 2 days and a session in their knocks and you have had it down as if it was unplayable and dark forces were involved while at the same time giving our players a free pass for getting bowled out for 134. They were poor you got it wrong and you were wrong an irrational when you accuse Indians of cheating.

And no the duke ball point isn't down to a 'lack of knowledge' - England can choose to use whatever ball they like to use in English conditions. They choose the Duke ball not because they always have, they do so because of its prodigious seam and hardness allowing it to seam and swing for longer periods suiting our bowlers. We choose to use it because it gives us an advantage, which is fine as is preparing big turning pitches in India.

mate thats a complete and utter lie, England have always used duke balls, how could they pick another ball which doesnt exist

you are tying to sound all articulate here, but you've literally just made something up

England do not prepare green tops, and they did not choose a duke ball as it gives them an advantage

thats what they have always used, why would they ditchthe ball they have always used to use a kookaburra ball?

I am all up for debate, different views etc, but when someone just starts lying you cant let it slide.

literally the only reason the aussies dont use a duke, is because it cant last on their abrasive pitches, thats literally the only reason they stopped using it

I dunno why I even took the time to reply to that like, I thought you knew your cricket too, clearly not.

Sharma scored a 150, and their number 8 a 100. Contradicts your point completely. And your attitude destroys any credibility you have

You just said the 8-15 was a "green top"

cant have it both ways mate

You are always happier when your supposed teams are losing anyway, so you will be loving this. Your abuse of Charlie Wyke after he scored 4 goals is remarkable.

 

[smoker]

I can't believe it's even worth a conversation that a home side sets pitches up to suit their style of play. This is part of test match cricket.

This pitch was set up to suit their bowlers but it also isn't any where near as bad as the like of Vaughan have made it out to be. If I was Kohli and the Indian management team, I'd be making sure the remaining tests have a similar pitch prepared.

The ball broke through the surface on day one. That's just shit.

Indian players learned the game playing on trashy wickets like that.

 

[rentaghost]

mate thats a complete and utter lie, England have always used duke balls, how could they pick another ball which doesnt exist

you are tying to sound all articulate here, but you've literally just made something up

England do not prepare green tops, and they did not choose a duke ball as it gives them an advantage

thats what they have always used, why would they ditchthe ball they have always used to use a kookaburra ball?

I am all up for debate, different views etc, but when someone just starts lying you cant let it slide.

literally the only reason the aussies dont use a duke, is because it cant last on their abrasive pitches, thats literally the only reason they stopped using it

I dunno why I even took the time to reply to that like, I thought you knew your cricket too, clearly not.




You just said the 8-15 was a "green top"

cant have it both ways mate

You are always happier when your supposed teams are losing anyway, so you will be loving this. Your abuse of Charlie Wyke after he scored 4 goals is remarkable.

You are acting like a child mate lashing out accusing people of lying just because they share a different view. As I say there a number of balls England could choose and they could choose any of them for the next test they play in England. The fact they have always used the dukes ball is neither here nor there. They use it because it is the best ball available for our seam bowlers in English conditions and so they should. Where’s the lie?

 

[TravellingMackem]

mate thats a complete and utter lie, England have always used duke balls, how could they pick another ball which doesnt exist

you are tying to sound all articulate here, but you've literally just made something up

England do not prepare green tops, and they did not choose a duke ball as it gives them an advantage

thats what they have always used, why would they ditchthe ball they have always used to use a kookaburra ball?

I am all up for debate, different views etc, but when someone just starts lying you cant let it slide.

literally the only reason the aussies dont use a duke, is because it cant last on their abrasive pitches, thats literally the only reason they stopped using it

I dunno why I even took the time to reply to that like, I thought you knew your cricket too, clearly not.




You just said the 8-15 was a "green top"

cant have it both ways mate

You are always happier when your supposed teams are losing anyway, so you will be loving this. Your abuse of Charlie Wyke after he scored 4 goals is remarkable.

The 8-15 was not played with much of this team or that recently either. That batting lineup today wouldn’t last very long against the Aussies on a green top.

 

[smoker]

You just said the 8-15 was a "green top"

Yes, it wasn't a green top at all. Slightly overcast conditions, new ball that straightened a bit off the seam. Not huge movement but very accurate bowling and Australians batted terribly.

The only series i recall us serving up dodgy wickets was the 2013 Ashes, where we made some of them suspiciously slow to favour Swann. There was also a very odd Cardiff wicket in 2015 where no two balls bounced the same.

 

[The Rat]

Yes, it wasn't a green top at all. Slightly overcast conditions, new ball that straightened a bit off the seam. Not huge movement but very accurate bowling and Australians batted terribly.

The only series i recall us serving up dodgy wickets was the 2013 Ashes, where we made some of them suspiciously slow to favour Swann. There was also a very odd Cardiff wicket in 2015 where no two balls bounced the same.

Fair point about 2013, although the journos at the time maintaiend that was the new drainage at the grounds which made them dry as feck, but you probs have a point

England is the hardest place to bat in the world consistently, but its not down to the pitches, which have been pretty good the last few years IMO.

 

[brandon]

When was the last time it would benefit us to produce a green top for a test match?

Last summer against Pakistan.

Everytime in the recent past where we’ve hosted India.

The duke ball is picked entirely to our advantage too, it’s obviously benefitted Jimmy Anderson a lot over the years to have that over the Kuka. You’re crackers if you don’t think we make conditions to suit us. Well even select warm up opponents to suit ourselves no doubt, hotels for the opposition to benefit us and everything. Nothing is done by coincidence in sport.

Dukes cricket balls have been in use since 1760, we use them because we’ve always used them and because they’re the best cricket balls in the world.

Plenty of Aussies have made a case for Australian cricket using a Duke ball whereas I’ve never known anyone suggest we should use a Kookaburra.

I love the Duke ball because when conditions permit, it can offer something for the bowlers (of all sides) for all of its 80 over lifespan. The Kookaburra does fuckall once it’s about 12 overs old.

I’m fairly sure touring teams would sort their own travel and accommodation like. Even if they don’t, it isn’t like we’ll be putting teams up in the Villa Bella

 

[LD19SAFC]

There’s the 4am alarm set. Hoping to see some real fight from England tomorrow, some pride before we go into a crucial 3rd test.

 

[smoker]

Last summer against Pakistan.

Everytime in the recent past where we’ve hosted India.


Dukes cricket balls have been in use since 1760, we use them because we’ve always used them and because they’re the best cricket balls in the world.

Plenty of Aussies have made a case for Australian cricket using a Duke ball whereas I’ve never known anyone suggest we should use a Kookaburra.

I love the Duke ball because when conditions permit, it can offer something for the bowlers (of all sides) for all of its 80 over lifespan. The Kookaburra does fuckall once it’s about 12 overs old.

I’m fairly sure touring teams would sort their own travel and accommodation like. Even if they don’t, it isn’t like we’ll be putting teams up in the Villa Bella

Both those teams have got several players who can benefit from seam movement. What they aren't so good at is conventional swing as they are too fast or don't get the opportunity to practice it back home.

 

[Jack Torrance]

There’s the 4am alarm set. Hoping to see some real fight from England tomorrow, some pride before we go into a crucial 3rd test.

Fair play, it will be finished by 5 so you can go back to sleep

 

[smoker]

Plenty of Aussies have made a case for Australian cricket using a Duke ball whereas I’ve never known anyone suggest we should use a Kookaburra

WI went back to Dukes. India were also considering it as the latest SG's have been badly made.

 

[rentaghost]

Last summer against Pakistan.

Everytime in the recent past where we’ve hosted India.


Dukes cricket balls have been in use since 1760, we use them because we’ve always used them and because they’re the best cricket balls in the world.

Plenty of Aussies have made a case for Australian cricket using a Duke ball whereas I’ve never known anyone suggest we should use a Kookaburra.

I love the Duke ball because when conditions permit, it can offer something for the bowlers (of all sides) for all of its 80 over lifespan. The Kookaburra does fuckall once it’s about 12 overs old.

I’m fairly sure touring teams would sort their own travel and accommodation like. Even if they don’t, it isn’t like we’ll be putting teams up in the Villa Bella

Joe Root has advocated using the kook in county cricket last year for the same reason as CA have used the dukes ball at times to prepare their cricketers for Ashes cricket and cricket overseas. We haven’t advocated using in test matches because it gives us a big advantage in our home test matches.

It wasn’t the pitch. Or atleast it wasn’t because they’d prepared it to do that. The pitch was soft, with a bit of moisture because it had rained overnight and on the morning of the game - which backs up my argument that invariably it’s the weather which dictates conditions here. Something nobody has ever been able to control. Australia also won the toss and decided to bat iirc.

When did we last produce a green top for a Test Match?

When we played India last time I seem to remember them being quite sporty in that series and low scores, EdgbAston being a classic low scorer just can’t remember if it was the pitch or through the air or both.

Joe Root has advocated using the kook in county cricket last year for the same reason as CA have used the dukes ball at times to prepare their cricketers for Ashes cricket and cricket overseas. We haven’t advocated using in test matches because it gives us a big advantage in our home test matches.


When we played India last time I seem to remember them being quite sporty in that series and low scores, EdgbAston being a classic low scorer just can’t remember if it was the pitch or through the air or both.

2011 v India Edgbaston and Lords described as green seamers after a flat pitch at TB

 

[mackembhoy]

How can you blame the spinners when the batsman got bowled out for 130 odd.

While the number 8 scored a hundred at 70SR

This is the headline on BBC sport main page. Really unfair as this is not the takeaway from the days play.

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[Silly Point]

A nice article, the Gilchrist tweet is quality

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High praise indeed. Bet he’s buzzing if he’s read that

High praise indeed. Bet he’s buzzing if he’s read that

As in the Gilchrist tweet, although the article as a whole is good reading

 

[scotch]

There’s the 4am alarm set. Hoping to see some real fight from England tomorrow, some pride before we go into a crucial 3rd test.

Suspect we may both be back asleep by 6
Morning, have a sneaky feeling we wont need to get up at 4 tomorrow

 

[Cumberland]

Morning all, thought I’d see it through.

 

[scotch]

Lawrence is far too high at 3, not his fault hes there, but his technique doesnt look good against the ball coming in from the seamers.

Morning all, thought I’d see it through.

If you can get through supporting SAFC you can get through anything
What on earth are you thinking lawrence
Jaffa to stokes, dont fancy him to get many runs against ashwin
For a bloke who supposedly cant keep Pant has done a fine impression of a high class keeper this test
Indian comms trying to say that was a better stumping than foakes one of pant....Ffs Foakes stumping was other worldly
Not sure if England being proactive is a good or bad thing, want them to dig in and be got out as we're not getting these runs. Dont want to see 3 or 4 stumpings and catches in the deep