India v England series

[Salem Street South]

Pretty sure Jimmy criticised the pitches in the ashes saying they were too flat/suited Australia

Yeah. Look at the runs scored in that series. The pitches in this country are almost without exception very good, if anything sometimes too flat. We have bowlers who are highly skilled in taking full advantage of any assistance offered by the pitch and the atmospherics, which are largely out of our control.

That’s been the case here as well with their bowlers who have done it better than we’ve managed to. But, this pitch is substandard, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying that. There is mitigation in that there were players running all over it for 5 days, a week ago and the ground staff would have been limited in the amount of preparation they could do on it. But given the state of the series, the sacking of the groundsman, the way Kohli et al have behaved in the game, it leaves a bad taste.

 

[Liverpool Beachball]

Can I just clear one thing up, I can’t believe the amount of people in the media and propel on twitter making this lazy point

England do not play on “green seamers” at all, the pitches are good pitches, the ball moves because of the dukes ball and because of the atmospheric conditions

It can be 100% really hard if the weather suits, but it’s not remotely comparable unless the ECB are now fixing the weather

it’s such a lazy point and not true at all.

despitw what you think about the indian pitch, England do not play test cricket on “green seamers”

Just seen Axar Patel has said this

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He played for Durham, surely he knows there’s more to it than just grass on the pitch

 

[TravellingMackem]

So why did they sack the groundsman for preparing a near perfect Test wicket for the first Test?

That’s bollocks about the toss, the deterioration was completely natural and India didn’t apply themselves anywhere near enough when batting in their first dig.

A pitch should not be exploding on the first morning of a Test and just because it isn’t dangerous doesn’t mean it’s in any way acceptable. It’s Test cricket, not village.

How has the pitch changed in this test then? If the pitch hasn’t changed then the toss is largely irrelevant, and it isn’t any harder to bat on now than in the first innings. Their second innings nigh on matched their first, and ours is likely to do the same.

Just seen Axar Patel has said this

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He played for Durham, surely he knows there’s more to it than just grass on the pitch

He’s right. There’s no problem with using home advantage. We do it, Aussies do it, everyone else does it. We even complain when lords makes it “too Australian” and they beat us every ashes there on a road. The pitch isn’t dangerous and it isn’t unfair, as it’s been the same to bat on all game, so nothing wrong with it. People getting their knickers in a twist over nothing.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

People acting like it’s over.

We can still do this

 

[TravellingMackem]

People acting like it’s over.

We can still do this

 

[palm 1]

I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we are still batting when I get up for work at 8am

 

[scotch]

I'll be up to see the last rites of this awful test especially since theres a break.

Fwiw think Indias spinners have just bowled so much better than ours, the pich has been substandard doing too much from day 1, the 3rd umpire has been appalling and questions need to be asked, on field umpires tbf have 'evened' themselves out with their decisions, Kohli has gone on like a bellend and should be fined/banned.
Some of our batsman shot choices has exacerbated our own downfall.

Despite all this, actual positives to set our team up going forward, Leach is getting better, Stone looks like a great addition to our quicks, Foakes asking questions of being in the team alongside Buttler

 

[Liverpool Beachball]

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[rentaghost]

Can I just clear one thing up, I can’t believe the amount of people in the media and propel on twitter making this lazy point

England do not play on “green seamers” at all, the pitches are good pitches, the ball moves because of the dukes ball and because of the atmospheric conditions

It can be 100% really hard if the weather suits, but it’s not remotely comparable unless the ECB are now fixing the weather

it’s such a lazy point and not true at all.

despitw what you think about the indian pitch, England do not play test cricket on “green seamers”

I agree with that point 95% anyway. Mostly in England when preparing wickets for test matches the groundsman would be asked to ensure there was some degree of moisture in the wicket to err on the side of that rather than a pitch that would be too dry. We dont (very often anyway) prepare wickets for England games that are 'green seamers'. If we did though we would be within our rights and the reason we don't isn't out of some sense of fairness its because of the money we would lose on two or three day test matches.

 

[brandon]

How has the pitch changed in this test then?

He’s right. There’s no problem with using home advantage. We do it, Aussies do it, everyone else does it. We even complain when lords makes it “too Australian” and they beat us every ashes there on a road.

Contradiction in terms there, do we do it? Or don’t we?

I don’t actually think we do. I can’t remember the last time in this country where we produced a pitch that was tailored to us as significantly as this one to India.

The Dukes ball does what the Dukes ball does, the weather does what the weather does and that’s generally the ‘home advantage’ we have. Majority of pitches in England are geared towards making the most money possible for the host venue and FTECB.

 

[rentaghost]

They have been, I think the issue for most is the extra curricular stuff and the television umpire.

It’ll remain to be seen, but Kohli should be sanctioned for:

- refusing to go after being clean bowled.
- running intentionally through the danger area of the pitch when batting.
- arguing with an umpires decision.

I was once banned for two games for the last one. Didn’t even swear.


Rohit was out, simple as that - then you had the ridiculous issue surrounding Rahane gloving one. When they all start piling up you have to appreciate people will be riled. Especially considering they pretty much admitted they fucked up by giving England the review back.

The pitch is a disgrace, purely and simply. You can’t have a Test pitch breaking up inside the first 6 overs of the match and that’s what happened here. Irrespective of who benefits, in other countries where the pitches are bouncy, that sort of thing would be inherently dangerous to players.

I must admit i watched most of the cricket but didn't see Kohli's reaction so i cant really say but he is absolutely entitled to stay his ground if he thinks there is the remotest chance the keeper has knocked the bails off or it has come back of the keeper. He looked like a tit but he did nothing contrary to the rules of the game and the umpires did the right thing in checking. I just don't agree with the later points about 'them mounting up'. Nothing at all in the first test, a couple of shockers in this test along with Roots decision at the end of play today. If we ever get decisions in our favour nobody says a thing, if they do its 'cheating Indians' and it goes back decades. Some in here instantly mentioned spot fixing as soon as no balls are being called against them and imagine the furore on here if an Indian batsman had been given not out the way Root was at the death.

Again the pitch I have to disagree. Its clearly not a good pitch but If we had batted on it anywhere near as well as they did this game would be going into day 5. It wasn't even slightly dangerous and you had two huge tall bowlers and a 90mph guy bowling on it.

Contradiction in terms there, do we do it? Or don’t we?

I don’t actually think we do. I can’t remember the last time in this country where we produced a pitch that was tailored to us as significantly as this one to India.

The Dukes ball does what the Dukes ball does, the weather does what the weather does and that’s generally the ‘home advantage’ we have. Majority of pitches in England are geared towards making the most money possible for the host venue and FTECB.

Why do we choose to use the dukes ball when the kook is more commonly used? There's an argument we should use the kook, hone our skills for as it is the ball used most commonly elsewhere? Do you think it might be because it gives us an advantage in English conditions. I don't see that being any more unethical than preparing a pitch that hugely favours India in India.

 

[TravellingMackem]

Contradiction in terms there, do we do it? Or don’t we?

I don’t actually think we do. I can’t remember the last time in this country where we produced a pitch that was tailored to us as significantly as this one to India.

The Dukes ball does what the Dukes ball does, the weather does what the weather does and that’s generally the ‘home advantage’ we have. Majority of pitches in England are geared towards making the most money possible for the host venue and FTECB.

The broad 8-15 pitch for starters. Or the time in the ashes we made spinning pitches to suit Swann. Just for starters. Plenty of green tops in England over the years.

How is it a contradiction? We do it at all grounds except lords. Then we complain that lords doesn’t make pitches to suit us. Not sure how that’s hard to get tbh.

You are right about the money thing in the last couple of years, it’s definitely coming in. The ovals pretty bad for it too, as well as lords obviously.

Just can’t see what’s wrong with using home advantage to your advantage. And today’s pitch isn’t dangerous or unfair on either team, so we have to suck it up and play spin better frankly. We batted so poor in the first innings it was borderline embarrassing tbh, threw away at least 7-8 wickets and didn’t even work India to get their 10. Bowling wasn’t too bad, took wickets but too many 4 balls, but needs to improve a lot to beat Indians in India.

 

[Mr Redknapp]

People acting like it’s over.

We can still do this

Could you imagine Virat and Shastri if they pulled it off

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[The Rat]

Just seen Axar Patel has said this

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He played for Durham, surely he knows there’s more to it than just grass on the pitch

He's just talking shit like

Which test pitches have grass left on

its a disgrace our journos just go along with this shite.

seem happier when India are winning

you have to have a serious lack of basic cricket knowledge not to understand why the ball moves in England

I must admit i watched most of the cricket but didn't see Kohli's reaction so i cant really say but he is absolutely entitled to stay his ground if he thinks there is the remotest chance the keeper has knocked the bails off or it has come back of the keeper. He looked like a tit but he did nothing contrary to the rules of the game and the umpires did the right thing in checking. I just don't agree with the later points about 'them mounting up'. Nothing at all in the first test, a couple of shockers in this test along with Roots decision at the end of play today. If we ever get decisions in our favour nobody says a thing, if they do its 'cheating Indians' and it goes back decades. Some in here instantly mentioned spot fixing as soon as no balls are being called against them and imagine the furore on here if an Indian batsman had been given not out the way Root was at the death.

Again the pitch I have to disagree. Its clearly not a good pitch but If we had batted on it anywhere near as well as they did this game would be going into day 5. It wasn't even slightly dangerous and you had two huge tall bowlers and a 90mph guy bowling on it.


Why do we choose to use the dukes ball when the kook is more commonly used? There's an argument we should use the kook, hone our skills for as it is the ball used most commonly elsewhere? Do you think it might be because it gives us an advantage in English conditions. I don't see that being any more unethical than preparing a pitch that hugely favours India in India.

haha wtf?

no there isn't

Do just say the exact complete opposite of everything, despite the facts, just to wind people up?

Its almost like you enjoy England losing the way you go on like.

 

[Mr Redknapp]

Just seen Axar Patel has said this

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He played for Durham, surely he knows there’s more to it than just grass on the pitch

That's why all test match innings in England are under 100 runs each

 

[The Rat]

The broad 8-15 pitch for starters. Or the time in the ashes we made spinning pitches to suit Swann. Just for starters. Plenty of green tops in England over the years.

How is it a contradiction? We do it at all grounds except lords. Then we complain that lords doesn’t make pitches to suit us. Not sure how that’s hard to get tbh.

You are right about the money thing in the last couple of years, it’s definitely coming in. The ovals pretty bad for it too, as well as lords obviously.

Just can’t see what’s wrong with using home advantage to your advantage. And today’s pitch isn’t dangerous or unfair on either team, so we have to suck it up and play spin better frankly. We batted so poor in the first innings it was borderline embarrassing tbh, threw away at least 7-8 wickets and didn’t even work India to get their 10. Bowling wasn’t too bad, took wickets but too many 4 balls, but needs to improve a lot to beat Indians in India.

the Broad 8-15? pitcj? eh?

that pitch was absolitely fine, it wasnt green top at all

Joe Root scored a big 100 immediately after we bowled them out

we actually declared during our first innings

you cant just make stuff up and get away with it you know?

thats just an utter lie, like nearly everything you say

talking utter shite, I dont think you even watch cricket, we do it every time? what about this summer? it didnt happen once.

 

[Mr Redknapp]

Disagree with Mr Patel there like, How many tests in England are decided on the coin toss?

 

[rentaghost]

He's just talking shit like

Which test pitches have grass left on

its a disgrace our journos just go along with this shite.

seem happier when India are winning

you have to have a serious lack of basic cricket knowledge not to understand why the ball moves in England

Because we choose to use the Dukes ball knowing it gives us a prestigious advantage as opposed to the kook which goes softer earlier? That will of course be perfectly fine and ethical as opposed to a country setting out a pitch to suit spinners first and foremost.

the Broad 8-15? pitcj? eh?

that pitch was absolitely fine, it wasnt green top at all

Joe Root scored a big 100 immediately after we bowled them out

we actually declared during our first innings

you cant just make stuff up and get away with it you know?

thats just an utter lie, like nearly everything you say

talking utter shite, I dont think you even watch cricket, we do it every time? what about this summer? it didnt happen once.

A bit like their number 8 today

 

[The Rat]

Because we choose to use the Dukes ball knowing it gives us a prestigious advantage as opposed to the kook which goes softer earlier? That will of course be perfectly fine and ethical as opposed to a country setting out a pitch to suit spinners first and foremost.

is this a wind up?

we've always used duke balls, its the other countries that changed

jesus wept man

how can you lack such basic knowledge?

we've ussed them since 1775

Sure we were looking to gain an advantage over the Indians then mate too

Because we choose to use the Dukes ball knowing it gives us a prestigious advantage as opposed to the kook which goes softer earlier? That will of course be perfectly fine and ethical as opposed to a country setting out a pitch to suit spinners first and foremost.


A bit like their number 8 today

Stopped listening to anything you said after that hillarious dukes ball comment

not debating with someone who lacks basic cricket knowlegde like

you'll be accusing Jimmy of doctoring the clouds next like

 

[dangermows]

They played the conditions much better than us.