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What A Waster said:
They usually are. End to end stuff. We might even manage more than 4 shots on target in a game now the gloves are off.

Interestingly, now it's being done his way, every stat in that arsenal game was worse than our seasonal average. Shots for/against, possesion, goals scored/conceded, touches in opposition box, passes into the opposition box, corners, completed passes...
Whatever it was, it was worse than normal
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Scootsie said:
He’s f***ing shite.

They like him because he was a big name, totally ignoring the fact that he spent a fortune (despite what they’ll say about net spend) on absolute shit.
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Tbf, he got them straight back in to the PL from the Championship which we spectacularly failed to do.
 
Frankel said:
Bruce 1.125 PPG or 43 points over a 38 game season

Benitez 1.186 PPG or 45 points over a 38 game season.

2 whole points between a genius and a fat useless bastard
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He’s from Madrid n I’m from wallsend.

Fat twat, couldn’t stand the bloke when he was Liverpool manager, absolutely detested the moaning git.

Inherited a hell of a valencia side from hector cuper, ruined mourinho’s champions league winning inter team in 6 months and sacked by real within a few months.
 
Reubens tasche said:
He’s from Madrid n I’m from wallsend.

Fat twat, couldn’t stand the bloke when he was Liverpool manager, absolutely detested the moaning git.

Inherited a hell of a valencia side from hector cuper, ruined mourinho’s champions league winning inter team in 6 months and sacked by real within a few months.
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And Seire A champions, 7th when he left ? Also took Napoli backwards before somehow getting the Madrid job :oops:

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@What A Waster
That's fair, I asked to be corrected and was. Apologies for the errors.

The context matters though, and whilst Newcastle were indeed 19th when Rafa arrived, they were only 1 point from safety, and had a game in hand on everyone else. They also had Sunderland (finished 17th), Norwich (19th), Aston Villa 20th), Crystal Palace (15th) and Swansea (13th) to play. And you failed to beat Sunderland, Norwich or Villa. So he took over 1 point adrift, with 10 games to play, a game in hand, and all of your relegation rivals still to play, and you were relegated with a game to spare (4 points from safety after 37 games, after we beat Everton) and finished further from safety than we he arrived...

'Hanley was only signed as a backup in the Championship, and we spent 57m, not nearly 100m'
- Got the figures wrong, but the point stands. How many teams who get relegated have the luxury of spending 6m on back up CB? Most teams have their better players flogged, and have to cobble a team together from what's left, and some shrewd signings. Rafa bought half the Championship.

You spent about 80m the year you went down (McClaren spent it mind), sold about 2 players (Sissoko and Wijnaldum) and kept everyone else that you wanted to keep, and then spent 57m. It wasn't exactly a stunning achievement to win promotion with that.

You also didn't touch on the like-for-like performances in the PL for Benitez and Bruce. Bruce last season, was as good as anything under Benitez, and got an identical points tally. It is not as though there is a massive stylistic shift either, you weren't exactly playing champagne, free-flowing football under Rafa. Some games I watched you had literally 15-20% possession, 10 behind the ball and welly it.

What I'm saying is that, whilst Bruce is a limited manager (we know) and has a limited shelf life before things become turgid and the results stop, his record at Newcastle is similar to Rafa's. Yet lots of Newcastle fans want Bruce gone (that's fair enough) but want him replaced by the previous manager, who also bored the tits off everyone and was barely better (if it all).
 
Ilios said:
@What A Waster
That's fair, I asked to be corrected and was. Apologies for the errors.

The context matters though, and whilst Newcastle were indeed 19th when Rafa arrived, they were only 1 point from safety, and had a game in hand on everyone else. They also had Sunderland (finished 17th), Norwich (19th), Aston Villa 20th), Crystal Palace (15th) and Swansea (13th) to play. And you failed to beat Sunderland, Norwich or Villa. So he took over 1 point adrift, with 10 games to play, a game in hand, and all of your relegation rivals still to play, and you were relegated with a game to spare (4 points from safety after 37 games, after we beat Everton) and finished further from safety than we he arrived...

'Hanley was only signed as a backup in the Championship, and we spent 57m, not nearly 100m'
- Got the figures wrong, but the point stands. How many teams who get relegated have the luxury of spending 6m on back up CB? Most teams have their better players flogged, and have to cobble a team together from what's left, and some shrewd signings. Rafa bought half the Championship.

You spent about 80m the year you went down (McClaren spent it mind), sold about 2 players (Sissoko and Wijnaldum) and kept everyone else that you wanted to keep, and then spent 57m. It wasn't exactly a stunning achievement to win promotion with that.

You also didn't touch on the like-for-like performances in the PL for Benitez and Bruce. Bruce last season, was as good as anything under Benitez, and got an identical points tally. It is not as though there is a massive stylistic shift either, you weren't exactly playing champagne, free-flowing football under Rafa. Some games I watched you had literally 15-20% possession, 10 behind the ball and welly it.

What I'm saying is that, whilst Bruce is a limited manager (we know) and has a limited shelf life before things become turgid and the results stop, his record at Newcastle is similar to Rafa's. Yet lots of Newcastle fans want Bruce gone (that's fair enough) but want him replaced by the previous manager, who also bored the tits off everyone and was barely better (if it all).
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Case in point - look at average positions image.
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Ilios said:
@What A Waster
That's fair, I asked to be corrected and was. Apologies for the errors.

The context matters though, and whilst Newcastle were indeed 19th when Rafa arrived, they were only 1 point from safety, and had a game in hand on everyone else. They also had Sunderland (finished 17th), Norwich (19th), Aston Villa 20th), Crystal Palace (15th) and Swansea (13th) to play. And you failed to beat Sunderland, Norwich or Villa. So he took over 1 point adrift, with 10 games to play, a game in hand, and all of your relegation rivals still to play, and you were relegated with a game to spare (4 points from safety after 37 games, after we beat Everton) and finished further from safety than we he arrived...

'Hanley was only signed as a backup in the Championship, and we spent 57m, not nearly 100m'
- Got the figures wrong, but the point stands. How many teams who get relegated have the luxury of spending 6m on back up CB? Most teams have their better players flogged, and have to cobble a team together from what's left, and some shrewd signings. Rafa bought half the Championship.

You spent about 80m the year you went down (McClaren spent it mind), sold about 2 players (Sissoko and Wijnaldum) and kept everyone else that you wanted to keep, and then spent 57m. It wasn't exactly a stunning achievement to win promotion with that.

You also didn't touch on the like-for-like performances in the PL for Benitez and Bruce. Bruce last season, was as good as anything under Benitez, and got an identical points tally. It is not as though there is a massive stylistic shift either, you weren't exactly playing champagne, free-flowing football under Rafa. Some games I watched you had literally 15-20% possession, 10 behind the ball and welly it.

What I'm saying is that, whilst Bruce is a limited manager (we know) and has a limited shelf life before things become turgid and the results stop, his record at Newcastle is similar to Rafa's. Yet lots of Newcastle fans want Bruce gone (that's fair enough) but want him replaced by the previous manager, who also bored the tits off everyone and was barely better (if it all).
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Ashley could've got Mick McCarthy or Neil Warnock to get the Mags promoted on a lot less budget and no worse playing style

Worked with a few Mags that season who complained about the style and weren't Rafa fans
 
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Case in point - look at average positions image.
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. Away at Everton and conceding possession. He does it, he’s a genius. Bruce does it and he is a dinosaur.
 
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