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When do we start talking about Jos Buttler?

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chunkylover53 said:
Yeah. He’s the only keeper that never faces spin to be fair
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Voice of fair play said:
There you are 86 overs bowled in the middle of the summer and not one ball of spin!

Nee wonder he has no stumpings :D
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let them take the piss mate. They know of only one stumping chance that he has missed that any other keeper could possibly have taken. Your point is valid he has almostcertainly faced less overs of spin proportionally than any other keeper and if you don’t get the chances you can hardly take them. Don’t let the biased, piss taking bastards grind you down ;) Also if he wins this test like he won the last and they start the we love Jos’ stuff tell them to fuck off:lol:
 

rentaghost said:
let them take the piss mate. They know of only one stumping chance that he has missed that any other keeper could possibly have taken. Your point is valid he has almostcertainly faced less overs of spin proportionally than any other keeper and if you don’t get the chances you can hardly take them. Don’t let the biased, piss taking bastards grind you down ;) Also if he wins this test like he won the last and they start the we love Jos’ stuff tell them to fuck off:lol:
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I do love Jos though. He's a world class white ball cricketer - probably the best we've ever produced, and easily one of the best the world has ever seen.

He's a smashing bloke. Unlike the pissbiscuit, he's all about the team. Would do whatever he's asked.

He just isn't good enough at Test match cricket. That's it.
 
TheRey said:
I do love Jos though. He's a world class white ball cricketer - probably the best we've ever produced, and easily one of the best the world has ever seen.

He's a smashing bloke. Unlike the pissbiscuit, he's all about the team. Would do whatever he's asked.

He just isn't good enough at Test match cricket. That's it.
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Test match cricket is very hard it’s meant to be. As a keeper and a batsman in England it’s harder than anywhere in the world with the ball moving around and up and down bounce. You have a biased view of Foakes but I don’t see batsmen keepers in England capable of performing better than Buttler against world class cricketers.
 
rentaghost said:
Test match cricket is very hard it’s meant to be. As a keeper and a batsman in England it’s harder than anywhere in the world with the ball moving around and up and down bounce. You have a biased view of Foakes but I don’t see batsmen keepers in England capable of performing better than Buttler against world class cricketers.
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Hand on heart, I'd have the exact same view of Foakes if he still played for Essex.

Bottom line is I want to see the England team successful - and for me, that is with Foakes behind the stumps, not Buttler.

Your point about Test cricket being incredibly hard is correct - it's why there's no shame in just not being quite able to cut it at that level.

Let Jos focus on blitzing white ball cricket, and have a proper Keeper behind the stumps in red ball, where it really matters.
 
TheRey said:
Hand on heart, I'd have the exact same view of Foakes if he still played for Essex.

Bottom line is I want to see the England team successful - and for me, that is with Foakes behind the stumps, not Buttler.

Your point about Test cricket being incredibly hard is correct - it's why there's no shame in just not being quite able to cut it at that level.

Let Jos focus on blitzing white ball cricket, and have a proper Keeper behind the stumps in red ball, where it really matters.
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fair enough. Foakes is a very good keeper. If and when he gets his chance batting over time and against the best attacks in the world I dont expect him to score heavily and win games. If he gets that sustained chance I hope he does.
 
rentaghost said:
fair enough. Foakes is a very good keeper. If and when he gets his chance batting over time and against the best attacks in the world I dont expect him to score heavily and win games. If he gets that sustained chance I hope he does.
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I think why I'm so hot on this case is we don't know until we try Foakes.

Buttler and Bairstow have, IMO, had an obscene amount of chances, and in Buttlers case, still getting them. Meanwhile Foakes gets player of the series and shows what a proper WK looks like and gets tossed aside!

If he has a run and shows he's not up to it then fine, I'll shut up, point taken. But with Buttler showing his deficiencies fairly regularly, it's surely time to give someone else a chance now
 
Canny embarassing some posters on here

Buttler is doing fine, 2nd in our batting averages this summer behind broad

usual suspects moaning, won 6 of our last 7 tests, you'd never know like

Ben Foakes man ffs :lol:, the amount of times his name is mentioned is crazy.
TheRey said:
I think why I'm so hot on this case is we don't know until we try Foakes.

Buttler and Bairstow have, IMO, had an obscene amount of chances, and in Buttlers case, still getting them. Meanwhile Foakes gets player of the series and shows what a proper WK looks like and gets tossed aside!

If he has a run and shows he's not up to it then fine, I'll shut up, point taken. But with Buttler showing his deficiencies fairly regularly, it's surely time to give someone else a chance now
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:lol::lol::lol:

honestly beyond parody

just done one of our top 10 chases in history, and this joker wants him dropped the next game

Absolute nutter.

I can't even imagine what 2 or 3 of the posters on here would have been like in the 90s, they;d be on suicide watch
rentaghost said:
fair enough. Foakes is a very good keeper. If and when he gets his chance batting over time and against the best attacks in the world I dont expect him to score heavily and win games. If he gets that sustained chance I hope he does.
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Ben Foakes is a decent cricketer, but he is 3rd in line for selection, and thats the way England management, selectors, captain, vice captain all think

I have seen him play a lot live and I like him, but the amount of conversation on him by people is just plain weird.
TheRey said:
I do love Jos though. He's a world class white ball cricketer - probably the best we've ever produced, and easily one of the best the world has ever seen.

He's a smashing bloke. Unlike the pissbiscuit, he's all about the team. Would do whatever he's asked.

He just isn't good enough at Test match cricket. That's it.
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:lol: Bairstow kept wicket and batted3,4,5,6,7

Aye but not a team player



constantly slagging off a bloke for wanting to keep wicket because he wants to follow in his fathers footsteps after that absolute tragedy of when he took his own life.

It is embarrassing, nasty, viscous, sick and very apt of a bloke who knows absolutely nothing about cricket.
typical Surrey.

Good night.
chunkylover53 said:
Don’t take the piss mate. He’s also the only keeper that has to bat with the tail
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Just won England one of their best ever chases, and these jokers still slagging him off

:lol: its absolutely remarkable, it really is.
complete nutters
 
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rentaghost said:
let them take the piss mate. They know of only one stumping chance that he has missed that any other keeper could possibly have taken. Your point is valid he has almostcertainly faced less overs of spin proportionally than any other keeper and if you don’t get the chances you can hardly take them. Don’t let the biased, piss taking bastards grind you down ;) Also if he wins this test like he won the last and they start the we love Jos’ stuff tell them to fuck off:lol:
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I was only half joking, however I can’t remember a day in a long time where 86 overs! were bowled without spin, from any team, but yeah it backs up the point with less spin and less quality of spin of course there will less opportunity for stumpings

That’s just common sense which I am sure they know.

We play in English conditions when even in the middle of summer in August it is still suiting the seamers, can’t imagine in any other country in the world in the middle of their summer 86 overs will be bowled without spin, we have the two best fast bowlers statistically (which is what they seem to want to talk about) ever in the test history of England bowlers and that much depth in the fast bowling department we resting our best bowlers at times,and a young spinner who is finding a his way in the game and has so much quality that he was actually farmed out by his county on loan last year as could not get a game.

If people have not got the common sense to put all that together to realise they will be less stumpings, well they obviously have not got that common sense.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
I was only half joking, however I can’t remember a day in a long time where 86 overs! were bowled without spin, from any team, but yeah it backs up the point with less spin and less quality of spin of course there will less opportunity for stumpings

That’s just common sense which I am sure they know.

We play in English conditions when even in the middle of summer in August it is still suiting the seamers, can’t imagine in any other country in the world in the middle of their summer 86 overs will be bowled without spin, we have the two best fast bowlers statistically (which is what they seem to want to talk about) ever in the test history of England bowlers and that much depth in the fast bowling department we resting our best bowlers at times,and a young spinner who is finding a his way in the game and has so much quality that he was actually farmed out by his county on loan last year as could not get a game.

If people have not got the common sense to put all that together to realise they will be less stumpings, well they obviously have not got that common sense.
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Of course fewer overs of spin lead to fewer stumpings. But I bet he isn’t an outlier vs the other England keepers in terms of overs faced
 
chunkylover53 said:
Of course fewer overs of spin lead to fewer stumpings. But I bet he isn’t an outlier vs the other England keepers in terms of overs faced
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I would be willing to bet without checking the stats, that out of the last 20 years of test matches played in England in the middle of August they would not have been many times if any where 86 overs have been bowled without spin.

Of course I take your overall point, and agree Buttler batting is stronger than is keeping, and that is probably the reason he is in the side.

But I trying to get across that stats is not the be all and end all of debates about Batsman, bowlers or keepers, there is soo many other variables to take into account, and at the moment with our fast bowling department versus our spin bowling department, can also not remember in the last 20 years it been more lopsided on the fast bowling side, therefore inevitably there will be less stumping chances, than in the past, surely that can't really be debated?

At the current time taking that into account with our bowling department Buttler has a very little chance of improving that ratio and stats especially when our spinner cant get in bowl in the middle of the summer with 86 overs bowled
 
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Voice of fair play said:
I would be willing to bet without checking the stats, that out of the last 20 years of test matches played in England in the middle of August they would not have been many times if any where 86 overs have been bowled without spin.

Of course I take your overall point, and agree Buttler batting is stronger than is keeping, and that is probably the reason he is in the side.

But I trying to get across that stats is not the be all and end all of debates about Batsman, bowlers or keepers, there is soo many other variables to take into account, and at the moment with our fast bowling department versus our spin bowling department, can also not remember in the last 20 years it been more lopsided on the fast bowling side, therefore inevitably there will be less stumping chances, than in the past, surely that can't really be debated?

At the current time taking that into account with our bowling department Buttler has a very little chance of improving that ratio and stats especially when our spinner cant get in bowl in the middle of the summer with 86 overs bowled
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Not sure why you’re focusing on tests in August to be honest. He’s kept for 30 plus tests, they weren’t all in August

you’re also ignoring Bairstow has the same attack to keep against.
 
chunkylover53 said:
Not sure why you’re focusing on tests in August to be honest. He’s kept for 30 plus tests, they weren’t all in August

you’re also ignoring Bairstow has the same attack to keep against.
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Well yeah and if spinners can’t get a bowl in August, how many overs will they get in May in English conditions.

There is no disputing surely at this current time a English keeper whoever they are will have less stumpings chances than before taking our current bowling attack into account?
 
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chunkylover53 said:
Very few. But that still doesn’t mean that the same isn’t true for the opposition. Or indeed other English keepers.
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However imo, their bowling attack both other countries and past England attacks, have not been soo lopsided in terms of their fast bowling department been soo much stronger than their spin bowling department.

Therefore will face more overs of spin hence more chance of stumpings .
 
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Voice of fair play said:
However imo, their bowling attack both other countries and past England attacks, have not been soo lopsided in terms of their fast bowling department been soo much stronger than their spin bowling department.

Therefore will face more overs of spin hence more chance of stumpings .
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Even Bairstow?

and what about the West Indian keepers of the 90s? Or even De Kock now?
 
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