Stewart Donald to stay at SAFC.

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bagpiperay said:
I didn't say that at all. You said spending little 'ensured' the squad was poorer. I'm saying it doesn't always follow as spending money in our case, often resulted in poorer football.
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That was more to do with our purchasers than anything else. The norm is those who spend most are at the top.
 
Vauxie said:
Thing is SD is still here and likely to be as we start the season, he cant just walk away, so he is going to do his best to keep the club going and has already said we will have the best budget in the League.
We would have been in the play offs for sure had we played on maybe won them.
We go again soon so lets hope a few new faces do the trick
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His best is shite thus far and we weren't even odds on to finish in the play offs let alone for sure
 
Ashley In!! said:
No idea mate, he claims he does which is why I'm after an update upon his return. There was a thread a month or two back where he claimed the owners were wanting to draw a line under everything that had happened. I assume that's changed given their approach to the meeting last week, or maybe it hasn't. I'm interested in hearing what he has to say on the subject.

If people could lay off the endless pages of "knaa's" and "knaa's nowt" shit patter we might just find out.
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But he just makes stuff up ! Anyone can do that and people still believe them ????
 
bagpiperay said:
I didn't say that at all. You said spending little 'ensured' the squad was poorer. I'm saying it doesn't always follow as spending money in our case, often resulted in poorer football.
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Agree to a part, we ain’t very good at getting value for money. But my response was a correlation to the‘best budget in the league claim.

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He’s not like, best budget in the league? We didn’t spend any money in January and minimal last summer, ensuring the squad was poorer than the previous season.


The best budget part didn’t happen and was no use gibbing off about it as he never used it. We recruited dog shyte.

Of course you can get quality for nowt but you tend to have to buy it if you have a incompetent footballing structure like at safc.
We shouldnt have to spend a tonne of money, however as aforementioned
 
Gonzo Mackem said:
Having a manager for more than 1/2 seasons as well, as it allows development. Look at Wycombe as fortunate as they were their performance is built on the longest serving manager in the country.
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That's generally a pipe dream tbh. The only way that PP makes it to this time next year is via promotion. The only way he makes it to summer 2022 is via a promotion run in the Champ. The odds of him surviving get massively reduced with each year. Far better to orientate around a structure that takes a more long term view and allow the manager/head coach to be more disposable. Simple fact is that he'll be gone fairly soon - regardless of our intent to add stability. We'd be adding it in the wrong place. It's like putting foundations on the roof.
 
The Cabbage said:
That's generally a pipe dream tbh. The only way that PP makes it to this time next year is via promotion. The only way he makes it to summer 2022 is via a promotion run in the Champ. The odds of him surviving get massively reduced with each year. Far better to orientate around a structure that takes a more long term view and allow the manager/head coach to be more disposable. Simple fact is that he'll be gone fairly soon - regardless of our intent to add stability. We'd be adding it in the wrong place. It's like putting foundations on the roof.
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Agree that long term structure would be the best position. Not seeing any sign of it so far, unless the structure is based on teams that fail to entertain.
 
Gonzo Mackem said:
There is a very strong correlation between success in football and the biggest wage budget. Typical that we prove to be the exception.
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Yeah I’m not saying we shouldn’t have the biggest wage budget we should just have bigger success. What he fails to state is our income has been massive compared to others. If there was a value for money league we’d be relegated.
 
The Cabbage said:
That's generally a pipe dream tbh. The only way that PP makes it to this time next year is via promotion. The only way he makes it to summer 2022 is via a promotion run in the Champ. The odds of him surviving get massively reduced with each year. Far better to orientate around a structure that takes a more long term view and allow the manager/head coach to be more disposable. Simple fact is that he'll be gone fairly soon - regardless of our intent to add stability. We'd be adding it in the wrong place. It's like putting foundations on the roof.
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I hear what you’re saying and the long term model makes much more sense. I do want a fiver year plan of proper investment and development BUT we can’t predict the future and presume he won’t do well. That’s just based on your opinion. At this time things conspire against him but you never know. Any other person would be another gamble and may not last and we’re Even less stable . We've managed to lose a few - even good ones. Getting a guaranteed quality manager isn’t something we could achieve at this time in this league.
 
sir rowell cummins said:
I hear what you’re saying and the long term model makes much more sense. I do want a fiver year plan of proper investment and development BUT we can’t predict the future and presume he won’t do well. That’s just based on your opinion. At this time things conspire against him but you never know. Any other person would be another gamble and may not last and we’re Even less stable . We've managed to lose a few - even good ones. Getting a guaranteed quality manager isn’t something we could achieve at this time in this league.
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It’s not just my opinion that allows me to presume it’ll play out that way. It’s the general trend across the whole Football League over at least the last decade - as well as Phil Parkinson’s career to date. The idea that he’ll succeed at Safc to the point where he’s still here in two years time is a clear outlier based upon all the information we have available. I’d love it to be the case - though I find his football style utterly turgid - as it would mean that safc have been successful. However I want the club to be able to deal with the inevitable parting of the ways with much less upheaval. Setting up around and all-powerful manager actively hinders that aim.
 
The Cabbage said:
It’s not just my opinion that allows me to presume it’ll play out that way. It’s the general trend across the whole Football League over at least the last decade - as well as Phil Parkinson’s career to date. The idea that he’ll succeed at Safc to the point where he’s still here in two years time is a clear outlier based upon all the information we have available. I’d love it to be the case - though I find his football style utterly turgid - as it would mean that safc have been successful. However I want the club to be able to deal with the inevitable parting of the ways with much less upheaval. Setting up around and all-powerful manager actively hinders that aim.
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Good managers like O Neill did badly. Moyes on paper should have been better. History is no guarantee - this is your interpretation of how it will play out. I agree that we need to build around him and put a structure in place that eases any departures that's definitely sensible. My point is he may also exceed our expectations. People will say he won't but only time will tell and I personally think he deserves a bit of time - dare i say it including a pre season - to prove the doubters right or wrong. When he had time on the field with the players last season we seemed to improve and when there was a run of games we got worse. Thats an indicator he maybe didn't utilise the squad well enough or weren't strong enough - which could (probably won't in our situation) be resolved, but also indicates he can organise an effective side.
 
Vauxie said:
Thing is SD is still here and likely to be as we start the season, he cant just walk away (Without his payday), so he is going to do his best to keep the club going (By selling everthing that isn't nailed down includin g all of our future hopes within the Academy for a pittance) and has already said we will have the best budget (Highest wage bill due to his own inccompetence) in the League.
We would have been in the play offs for sure had we played on maybe won them (Not lost 2 and drawn 2 of the last 4 games - Sadly we were looking no where near promotion and blaming COVID 19 for being in this shite league is the only option he has).
We go again soon so lets hope a few new faces do the trick (Through enough shite against the wall and hope it sticks - sign shite on the cheap and keep fingers crossed until May)
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Tidied with truth added in brackets
 
sir rowell cummins said:
Good managers like O Neill did badly. Moyes on paper should have been better. History is no guarantee - this is your interpretation of how it will play out. I agree that we need to build around him and put a structure in place that eases any departures that's definitely sensible. My point is he may also exceed our expectations. People will say he won't but only time will tell and I personally think he deserves a bit of time - dare i say it including a pre season - to prove the doubters right or wrong. When he had time on the field with the players last season we seemed to improve and when there was a run of games we got worse. Thats an indicator he maybe didn't utilise the squad well enough or weren't strong enough - which could (probably won't in our situation) be resolved, but also indicates he can organise an effective side.
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its not just our history, marra. It’s the overwhelming current trend across ALL Football League clubs. For parkinson to survive he must meet/exceed all expectations - and expectation of safc in these leagues is a magnifier. At a club like Safc that means a sustained, unwavering (and ultimately successful) promotion challenge in league one season next season followed by a minimum of a sustained play off run the following season without any significant hint of a relegation battle. That’s just the way it is. Given our incompetence as a club - as well as that is something that’s PP has never achieved in his career - I’m more than happy that my prediction is both logical and realistic.
 
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Mackem Al said:
Deleting it would be an option. Full of know nothing knackers spouting absolute bollocks.
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So what threads are ok?
Ageing Grey Mackem said:
Proof incontrovertible that you’re either working for this shower of shite in some capacity or you’re immensely delusional. If it’s the former you can piss off with them and take know-nowt Berb with you. If it’s the latter I apologise, it must be tough.
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Well option 1 nah cos I’m working for awab man in awab land.
Option 2 No I’m not a mag.
Apology accepted
Ashley In!! said:
No idea mate, he claims he does which is why I'm after an update upon his return. There was a thread a month or two back where he claimed the owners were wanting to draw a line under everything that had happened. I assume that's changed given their approach to the meeting last week, or maybe it hasn't. I'm interested in hearing what he has to say on the subject.

If people could lay off the endless pages of "knaa's" and "knaa's nowt" shit patter we might just find out.
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But when told you would just say it’s made up shite so why get yourself in such a tizz love.
 
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