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Second Test - England v West Indies (Old Trafford)

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FWIW after the world cup win I seem Archer get interviewed on I think GMB and Jonathan Ross and thought he came across as a arrogant bellend. Seen nowt from him since from him to suggest I was wrong either.
 
mikemanc said:
Not trusted? He bowls as many overs as anyone since he's been in the side and was our best bowler in the last innings. Old Trafford is a good ground for a speed merchant, regardless of his last performance there. I expect Anderson was always going to miss one of the three tests, he'll get a home game in the next one. But he'd love to be bowling with the conditions on offer today.
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Not necessarily in terms of how much he’s used, Root gets accused of over bowling him after all, more mean personality wise. I wonder how well he’s integrated and how much the rest of the team have taken to him coming in and becoming the new great hope of English fast bowling. Some pretty big egos in that department as we know. As I say just a hunch I have and might be wrong.
I’d be very surprised if it’s a fast bouncy wicket with all the weather we’ve had the last two months, agree think the conditions would suit Jimmy and should suit the three or four likely to be picked. Hopefully we win toss bowl & roll them.
 
Macho said:
The circumstances are bad enough to exclude and get an apology from him. The lads clearly been a fool.
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Regardless of why he left the bubble he has to be excluded until they know he can't infect anyone in the bubble. I'm not saying people shouldn't criticise him, I'm just saying I'd like to know the circumstances before I do.
Salem Street South said:
Not necessarily in terms of how much he’s used, Root gets accused of over bowling him after all, more mean personality wise. I wonder how well he’s integrated and how much the rest of the team have taken to him coming in and becoming the new great hope of English fast bowling. Some pretty big egos in that department as we know. As I say just a hunch I have and might be wrong.
I’d be very surprised if it’s a fast bouncy wicket with all the weather we’ve had the last two months, agree think the conditions would suit Jimmy and should suit the three or four likely to be picked. Hopefully we win toss bowl & roll them.
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It's actually been really dry in Manchester until the last couple of weeks, no idea what the wicket will be like in general. You know the Windies will win the toss today and we'll be rolled :lol:
 
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redandwhiterob said:
FWIW after the world cup win I seem Archer get interviewed on I think GMB and Jonathan Ross and thought he came across as a arrogant bellend. Seen nowt from him since from him to suggest I was wrong either.
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I know where you’re coming from. For me it came across a bit more like immaturity, the twitter shit with Tino Best would come in that category, and maybe even a bit shyness or awkwardness. A bit arrogance is not a bad thing for an elite sportsman but as said above he needs to grow up
 
Salem Street South said:
Daft. Might be way out here but I’m going to say it’s a good thing. He’s unreliable at this stage and I have doubts about much he’s trusted in that group, particularly by the captain. Just a hunch. His performance in the Ashes Test last summer at the same ground cost us that game and the series imo so no great loss. Broad, Woakes and Curran and we win. Shame Anderson misses out.
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That bowling attack is so one paced mind. Shame wood can’t play now
 
mikemanc said:
Regardless of why he left the bubble he has to be excluded until they know he can't infect anyone in the bubble. I'm not saying people shouldn't criticise him, I'm just saying I'd like to know the circumstances before I do.

It's actually been really dry in Manchester until the last couple of weeks, no idea what the wicket will be like in general. You know the Windies will win the toss today and we'll be rolled :lol:
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It’s pissed down here in Liverpool for what feels like forever 🤪
Agree I’d like to know the circumstances before being more critical, but whatever he’s done is serious enough for him to be excluded so it’s safe to say he’s an idiot regardless.
 
Completely different attack to the last game then.

Archer will miss the final game for disciplinary reasons you may have thought as well
 
mikemanc said:
Regardless of why he left the bubble he has to be excluded until they know he can't infect anyone in the bubble. I'm not saying people shouldn't criticise him, I'm just saying I'd like to know the circumstances before I do.

It's actually been really dry in Manchester until the last couple of weeks, no idea what the wicket will be like in general. You know the Windies will win the toss today and we'll be rolled :lol:
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Got a feeling it's a Kyle Walker situation.
 
Daft from Archer. Old Trafford is usually a quicker pitch than Southampton so to be without both he and Wood now could be an issue.

The selectors got it wrong for the first test and Archer has potentially put England on the back foot for this one.
 
mackembhoy said:
Completely different attack to the last game then.

Archer will miss the final game for disciplinary reasons you may have thought as well
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If we win the 2nd test , then he doesn't get back in the team for me. Arsehole
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Surely they all travelled by coach 🤔
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No. All travelled in separate cars apparently
The Breen Machine said:
Daft from Archer. Old Trafford is usually a quicker pitch than Southampton so to be without both he and Wood now could be an issue.

The selectors got it wrong for the first test and Archer has potentially put England on the back foot for this one.
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If the weather is as damp and cloudy as the forecasts suggest then an attack of Broad, Woakes and Curran could be very threatening
 
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chunkylover53 said:
Well that’s stupidity from the ECB then
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Probably stopped off at a service station for a Maccy D's, it's what all the top pros do.

Whilst you'd think you could trust professional sportsmen to drive from Southampton to Manchester without going astray I find it odd that they didn't try to maintain the bubble on a coach which would prevent the players from needing to stop off at services (I appreciate the driver would have had a statutory break).
 
Can they call Wood up?

Or would it be:

Curran
Woakes
Bess
Broad
 
Salem Street South said:
I know where you’re coming from. For me it came across a bit more like immaturity, the twitter shit with Tino Best would come in that category, and maybe even a bit shyness or awkwardness. A bit arrogance is not a bad thing for an elite sportsman but as said above he needs to grow up
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I get the feeling we will always be talking about Jofra Archer, in the same way we were always talking about Kevin Pietersen.
I'm not totally convinced Archer is in love with Test Cricket and do wonder whether his move to England (aged 20) was more about raising his profile in the game and making him more attractive to franchise cricket

Can't remember who said it, but there was a South African interviewed during the recent series who laughed when someone suggested Kevin Pietersen was English - the quote was something along the lines of "he was only ever "English" when he wanted to play Test Cricket. He's South African again now...."
 
mikemanc said:
Probably stopped off at a service station for a Maccy D's, it's what all the top pros do.

Whilst you'd think you could trust professional sportsmen to drive from Southampton to Manchester without going astray I find it odd that they didn't try to maintain the bubble on a coach which would prevent the players from needing to stop off at services (I appreciate the driver would have had a statutory break).
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They’ve probably put trust in them but as with some example of the footballers they can’t help themselves but break the rules.
 
mikemanc said:
Probably stopped off at a service station for a Maccy D's, it's what all the top pros do.

Whilst you'd think you could trust professional sportsmen to drive from Southampton to Manchester without going astray I find it odd that they didn't try to maintain the bubble on a coach which would prevent the players from needing to stop off at services (I appreciate the driver would have had a statutory break).
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Exactly
 
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