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A breakdown of trust

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rocky said:
Like a lot of others I'm protesting with me feet. 20+ years as a season ticket holder, not any more. I'm not giving these fuckers another penny.
If you're going to reply try it without the zanyness please
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Nee more pain Rocko, nee more pain, I hear ye Bro.....will ye sneak back in, in disguise if wa smashing it?
 

The Cabbage said:
Meh. It's good to have pressure on the current owners but it misses the critical point. Say they pay the remaining money back. What then? We'll have a cash injection but will probably still end up failing. If all it takes for the fans to come onside is for that money to come back, we need to take a look at ourselves as fans as much as anything else. The club is prioritising the wrong things and making bad choices. That is the root of the failure. The trust and finances thing has become the lightning rod for this regime when it should be their lack of competence. I'd rather the local press went in two footed about that tbh.
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I wonder how many that's a critical point for. I'm not sure many that have refused to renew would come back simply if the cash is returned. To me at least it's just one of their many failings and deceiptful acts.

I think they're beyond the point they can ever repair the damage they've done in terms of relationship with supporters. If they wanted to try then it would have to start with proving they're heading in a different direction. Signing Mumba up to a new deal, ambitiously persuing new academy members and finding a managerial team that is fit for purpose instead of employing their mates or Tue cheapest option would be good examples.
 
Nelson! said:
I wonder how many that's a critical point for. I'm not sure many that have refused to renew would come back simply if the cash is returned. To me at least it's just one of their many failings and deceiptful acts.

I think they're beyond the point they can ever repair the damage they've done in terms of relationship with supporters. If they wanted to try then it would have to start with proving they're heading in a different direction. Signing Mumba up to a new deal, ambitiously persuing new academy members and finding a managerial team that is fit for purpose instead of employing their mates or Tue cheapest option would be good examples.
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That costs money and I don’t think SD wants to spend a penny more than he has to make us self sufficient in L1
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
It is a good article. This regime can start and win trust back by doing certain things i.e. actions rather than words. One is to get a decent replacement for Reid and then talk about how this person is going to reverse the trend of frittering away talent that has taken years to develop. The problem is that the current regime appear to be incompetent. Rodwell came with a poor track record and then has handled the season ticket debacle badly. Donald and his pals have repeatedly talked a good game but when it comes to action they are not good enough at their jobs to enact that e.g. Maja/Grigg.
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The charlatans running the club will not be forgiven by the majority of the supporters. They’re completely out of their depth and have treated the clubs greatest asset as idiots.
 
The Cabbage said:
Meh. It's good to have pressure on the current owners but it misses the critical point. Say they pay the remaining money back. What then? We'll have a cash injection but will probably still end up failing. If all it takes for the fans to come onside is for that money to come back, we need to take a look at ourselves as fans as much as anything else. The club is prioritising the wrong things and making bad choices. That is the root of the failure. The trust and finances thing has become the lightning rod for this regime when it should be their lack of competence. I'd rather the local press went in two footed about that tbh.
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The article is about trust though. I agree that I don't think they're capable of bringing us any form of success, even to the low level of getting us out of this league. In terms of trust though, I'd certainly be more trusting of them if they didn't owe us millions of quid. I'd feel that they'd then be in a position whereby they could potentially be open about cashflow and the fans would be more understanding in terms of when refunds were given, and many more would be happy to let them keep them. I'd still think they were useless and needed to go, but I'd trust that they were just sadly incompetent rather than chancing, greedy fuckwits.

Glad the local media are starting to ask questions mind, Phil Smith has started doing the same recently. I do wonder why it's taken them so long though.
 
redgauntlet said:
The backroom is filled with staff from a none league background. No surprise standards have fallen to none league levels.
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Thats what you get though....some second and even third rate footballers, Coaching Staff, Manager, Scouts , Academy staff, operations staff, CEO appointment that they must be thinking, how did we make such a poor choice, and finally down to Third rate owners without a pot to piss in chancing their arm buying the Club ,with Club money, relying on promotion at the first attempt ,who have failed in everything they have touched bar one thing.....
the replacement seats.
 
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GBSAFC said:
Journos need to up their game on this...
Clubs dying
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There could have been a lot more added to the piece. The fact that he has appointed a footballing failure as go-between for him and the fans. The fact that he can't /wont shut Methvens mouth. The fact that he scuppered the biggest takeover we are ever likely to see in my lifetime.
I could go on :mad:
 
Nelson! said:
I wonder how many that's a critical point for. I'm not sure many that have refused to renew would come back simply if the cash is returned. To me at least it's just one of their many failings and deceiptful acts.

I think they're beyond the point they can ever repair the damage they've done in terms of relationship with supporters. If they wanted to try then it would have to start with proving they're heading in a different direction. Signing Mumba up to a new deal, ambitiously persuing new academy members and finding a managerial team that is fit for purpose instead of employing their mates or Tue cheapest option would be good examples.
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I don’t think too many who have refused to renew would do so now just because they were putting the money back in.

Catastrophic misjudgment by the owners leading to irreparable damage with the fan base.

Add to that the fiasco of how the club has been run since January 2019 and there is no way back as far as I can see.
 
Sam Handwich said:
There could have been a lot more added to the piece. The fact that he has appointed a footballing failure as go-between for him and the fans. The fact that he can't /wont shut Methvens mouth. The fact that he scuppered the biggest takeover we are ever likely to see in my lifetime.
I could go on :mad:
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Journos, I appreciated need both the club and the fans in order to survive ... but if the club are doing almost everything wrong to the pont where they are alientting 1000s of fans who've been through too many shit times already... then you have to pick a side. That piece was way better than your typical club mouthpiece article...

The regime are out of their depth, blinded by the notion that a huge payday is still on despite running the club into the direction of oblivion. There is very little that is saleable right now apart for the fanbase and the stadia/ academy. Pressure and time might get rid of madrox, but you get the sense that time is limited and receht events are killing us as much as negligence
 
The Cabbage said:
Meh. It's good to have pressure on the current owners but it misses the critical point. Say they pay the remaining money back. What then? We'll have a cash injection but will probably still end up failing. If all it takes for the fans to come onside is for that money to come back, we need to take a look at ourselves as fans as much as anything else. The club is prioritising the wrong things and making bad choices. That is the root of the failure. The trust and finances thing has become the lightning rod for this regime when it should be their lack of competence. I'd rather the local press went in two footed about that tbh.
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I mostly agree with this though i have a slightly different view of the finances. IF they had done exactly what they have done with tickets and all that but we had been in the top 2 things would mostly be forgotten about. If we hadn't made such a balls up of the Maja situation and ben promoted and were making a fist of the championship trust would mostly be fine. Its the fact that they have made a proper balls up of the football decisions that people have no trust. The only thing i think is that the finances are closely aligned. If football was the priority and not making the books right for a sale then we might have had better football decisions. Look at the last window - desperate for a goalscorer and we got an unfit target man - it needed investment and they cant afford it or won't do it because it may eat the profits. Their intention is to make profit and thought they could achieve promotion while doing so in order to make more profit. Thats different from intending to be good at football and doing well financially alongside it. Their intention matters in this. Has it cost us financially? Course it has - if they'd signed a goalscorer, done well at football and we were going up in the top two would we be kicking off about the season tickets ?? some would but it would be very different.
 
GBSAFC said:
Journos, I appreciated need both the club and the fans in order to survive ... but if the club are doing almost everything wrong to the pont where they are alientting 1000s of fans who've been through too many shit times already... then you have to pick a side. That piece was way better than your typical club mouthpiece article...

The regime are out of their depth, blinded by the notion that a huge payday is still on despite running the club into the direction of oblivion. There is very little that is saleable right now apart for the fanbase and the stadia/ academy. Pressure and time might get rid of madrox, but you get the sense that time is limited and receht events are killing us as much as negligence
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Agreed. The FPP lads must have sussed Donald out right from the start. And they will have seen that failure to get promoted would turn the screw even more in their favour. Even if Donald manages to pay them back, they get there money back with interest. If not they get the club for a 10m. A cynical person might say this was less about owning a football club, and more about teaching a jumped up, would be high-flyer a lesson in business management.
 
Cack Stottie said:
Cheers. That was Sean Brown, our Podcast editor. I'll pass this on
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Very very good. As you know, I have been critical of some of your work, but credit where it is due. Expertly out together and really gets the tone across. Super bit of writing.

This bit

I wouldn’t trust him (CM) to pass the homeless without whipping out a £50 note and igniting it to ‘Firestarter’ by the Prodigy, laughing maniacally at the tortured look on the face of those he deems beneath him.
 
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