June to July 2020 - NUFC

[Banks]

To be honest Rafa had Rondon and Perez playing up front. Good functional players who can retain the ball further up the pitch. Not exciting players but functional, effective and allow you to retain possession and create some chances. Bruce hasn't had that but he has allowed Almiron and ASM some freedom and I can certainly see why supporters would rather watch them running with the ball and committing players than Rafa's functional stuff.

But the stats

Exactly why the fish knows nowt about football summed up beautifully in this post.

 

[Deleted member 6694]

Yep. Sometimes it needs to be a case of sitting back as far as possible to see the bigger picture.
Too many fans are following hate narratives and some are actually acting like footballing snobs of entitlement and expectation and simply can't see how close we were to being in deep deep issues before Ashley took over.

Yep, Hall bought success but spent big to do it and he bailed ship shortly after the Shearer era had finished. It then looked like the Mags were going to be in the shit by the time Ashley took over (I'm sure this has been posted on here). Yet you see tweets like this who don't see the bigger picture of the potential mess the Mags were in and focus too much on the past (without looking at the spending to get there), yet Ashley steadied the financial boat within a few years.

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I'd rather Ashley had spent big and failed and it fucked the Mags up, just like we and other clubs have done. Even if the arabs come in and they spend big it may not guarantee long term success, possibly only short term. It could well be they spend 100's of millions, though this spending is going to be more restricted than how Man City did it unless they 'cheat' but they run the risk of being caught. The Mags could be all fart but no shite and actually win nowt and therefore don't get the global brand exposure/recognition and don't get the future income off the back of this. The arabs fuck off and leave NUFC in so much shit that nobody will want them.

Football now is a rich boys play thing and to break into the top 6 and stay there will take some doing. Spurs are the 6th big club to get up there but that's probably due to European places. Look at the money Spurs are now generating from the stadium alone. The same for Arsenal and eventually Chelsea when the sort out Stmaford Bridge. Man Utd gate receipts are huge also and Liverpool and Man City won't be too bad.

Those incomes dwarf the Mags matchday income and there's no way the Mags would charge over £1,000 for a season ticket like Spurs. This is 'bonus' money though some of the matchday fans will think it's all about them filling SJP and financially supporting the club at that level. Sadly it's all about the global fans who will watch on TV, buy the merchandise etc which is the main income of the clubs in the 5 European Leagues (Page 9).

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Some may point out Leicester 'breaking' into the big 6 but that's been discussed to death in many ways so I'll ignore explaining old shite. They're doing areet this season but one thing to consider is taking Vardy out of that team. They could well struggle unless they replace him with another pacey 20+ a season scorer. Big clubs have the money to do this as they can spend big on flops but absorb the lossses. The big clubs are a bit hit and miss this season but no doubt they'll be spending big on transfers/wages this next transfer window to try and sort it out. Leicester on the other hand can't do that to replace Vardy when he eventually does run out of steam.

That's why I don't care if the Mags get taken over as I honestly can't see them breaking into the top like they did in the 90's due to the huge money involved. The gap is too big now and to stay there would take a few years of constant success and getting into Europe to guarantee money from outside matchday income.

Given the other big clubs clout to attract and pay top players (bearing in mind there wasn't 6 big teams back in the 90's) then OK, the Mags may well get a season in the spotlight by nicking a few decent players. It won't be permanent and it will probably end up disastrous for them if the don't get into Europe each and every season. The arabs could bail out and move onto another 'investment' and leave the Mags with huge wage bills but not the huge income to go with it due to lack of success and boom, well fucked over and left to rot as who would touch them then?

p.s. A European Super League will happen before the Mags get established anyway

 

[Sima]

Some valid points made but it's far better than to have loved and lost than have not loved at all in my mind.

 

[rentaghost]

Aye, which is fine for the games where they've actually been able to do that, but honestly, that's only really been the last 6 or 7 games. Prior to that we weren't getting them on the ball much at all, certainly not in areas where they can do any damage. So I'm fine with someone saying they've enjoyed the football recently, I have myself, but that's forgetting the f***ing awful shit we saw before.

Don't disagree about the crowd size thing. But you won the league three times in four seasons 128 years ago. We were relegated from the Premier League at the end of Ashley's 2nd season. There's a big difference, 126 years of difference. From Rotterdam to Rotheram in 2 seasons. That's bad ownership, just like Arsenal to Accrington Stanley is bad ownership..

No. I absolutely cannot understand enjoying terrible, terrible football over better football. I enjoy goals, chances, passing play and if they're not on show, I want to see a plan. You got none of that from Bruce until very recently, and not even in every game now.

You could argue the same as Rafa. His football was absolutely turgid until the last third of his final season.

 

[Super Ted]

Some valid points made but it's far better than to have loved and lost than have not loved at all in my mind.

Still no response to my question yesterday. Do your mates know you post daily on this forum?

 

[Blue_Monday]

Madness this 14 week wait mind, they are obviously looking at every possible avenue to try and reject it but must come a point where they have to admit defeat if they cant find a solid legal reason.

 

[Sabre Mag]

Take a look back and see for yourself. I'm sure you know who he left out, along with those he bought in and basically wasted.
All of it.
Because it is better organised in terms of more balanced football, in the main, with the exception of some park the bus nonsense added in....but on the whole, much better to watch than Benitez's general dross.

The football I described is the football I've witnessed, so I know what I've seen.
Whatever you've seen is borne from your obvious messiah type love for Benitez as much as you think mine is borne from a hate for him, as you say.

Nahhh. My memory is clear on Benitez and is crystal clear on Bruce.

Nuke, just out of interest when you talk footy with your mates do you argue a lot or are your group kind of the same feelings as you?

I ask because as you’re well aware you’re feelings go against the grain lots and aren’t those of many people I know (not saying they’re wrong by the way although personally I disagree with a lot of it).

I’m just imagining you having some heated debates with other fans!

 

[AndyH]

I said I've enjoyed better football under Bruce than Rafa. Can't you get your head around that?

I thought we looked much better last year than this year.
Both seasons we play very negative football but last year the defence looked far more organised and well drilled, the work rate and press was better and we looked far more dangerous on the break. After Almiron came I thought we looked a decent side and I quite enjoyed watching us. That's obviously very subjective though, one mans meat is another mans poison as they say.

Not wanting to get involved in the Bruce/ Benitz debate so I'm not claiming anything in regard to the managers just saying I think the team looked better last season than it does this.

We can sit and debate stats all day long but the reality of the game of football is what we actual see as a spectacle, not what we write down on a note pad with he passed this many times and he blocked this many and he was lazy last week but wasn't so lazy this week.

The point is, I look at a game of football on the basis of that actual game and either enjoy it or accept it as ok or simply get depressed over it if it's been dismal.

On that basis I can honestly say that I've enjoyed more of what Bruce has given me in less than a season than I have in what Benitez gave me in 2.

If you see it differently then fair enough. We all see it in different ways which is why there's always debates.

you are right about it being subjective but your views seem quite far apart from the rest of us.
It's a bit like you saying you watched the city match and thought we where the better side and deserved to beat them 5-0 instead.......... that would have us all scratching our heads thinking was he watching what we watched. You're obviously entitled to that view but just like what you're saying about this season and last the rest of us are scratching our heads thinking is he watching what we have been watching.

 

[Binxy]

There's the start of a plan. Gayle, Joelinton, Almiron and ASM as a mobile attacking unit. That plan has only formed in the past 5-6 games. What about the previous 25+? But yeah we're benefiting from other teams being poor. Bournemouth, Watford, West Ham... you wouldn't have picked them out as relegation threatened sides before the season started, yet here we are.

Benitez' football was pragmatic but effective and he loosened the shackles a bit after survival seemed secure.
Bruce has done ok, but you're painting a very rosy picture of this season. For the majority we've been utter shit and incredibly lucky.

Bruce loosens shackles after survival seems assured = Shite, get oot wor clerb.

Fatty loosens shackles after survival seems assured = We love you Wafa.

 

[The Fish]

Yep, Hall bought success but spent big to do it and he bailed ship shortly after the Shearer era had finished. It then looked like the Mags were going to be in the shit by the time Ashley took over (I'm sure this has been posted on here). Yet you see tweets like this who don't see the bigger picture of the potential mess the Mags were in and focus too much on the past (without looking at the spending to get there), yet Ashley steadied the financial boat within a few years.

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I'd rather Ashley had spent big and failed and it fucked the Mags up, just like we and other clubs have done. Even if the arabs come in and they spend big it may not guarantee long term success, possibly only short term. It could well be they spend 100's of millions, though this spending is going to be more restricted than how Man City did it unless they 'cheat' but they run the risk of being caught. The Mags could be all fart but no shite and actually win nowt and therefore don't get the global brand exposure/recognition and don't get the future income off the back of this. The arabs fuck off and leave NUFC in so much shit that nobody will want them.

Football now is a rich boys play thing and to break into the top 6 and stay there will take some doing. Spurs are the 6th big club to get up there but that's probably due to European places. Look at the money Spurs are now generating from the stadium alone. The same for Arsenal and eventually Chelsea when the sort out Stmaford Bridge. Man Utd gate receipts are huge also and Liverpool and Man City won't be too bad.

Those incomes dwarf the Mags matchday income and there's no way the Mags would charge over £1,000 for a season ticket like Spurs. This is 'bonus' money though some of the matchday fans will think it's all about them filling SJP and financially supporting the club at that level. Sadly it's all about the global fans who will watch on TV, buy the merchandise etc which is the main income of the clubs in the 5 European Leagues (Page 9).

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Some may point out Leicester 'breaking' into the big 6 but that's been discussed to death in many ways so I'll ignore explaining old shite. They're doing areet this season but one thing to consider is taking Vardy out of that team. They could well struggle unless they replace him with another pacey 20+ a season scorer. Big clubs have the money to do this as they can spend big on flops but absorb the lossses. The big clubs are a bit hit and miss this season but no doubt they'll be spending big on transfers/wages this next transfer window to try and sort it out. Leicester on the other hand can't do that to replace Vardy when he eventually does run out of steam.

That's why I don't care if the Mags get taken over as I honestly can't see them breaking into the top like they did in the 90's due to the huge money involved. The gap is too big now and to stay there would take a few years of constant success and getting into Europe to guarantee money from outside matchday income.

Given the other big clubs clout to attract and pay top players (bearing in mind there wasn't 6 big teams back in the 90's) then OK, the Mags may well get a season in the spotlight by nicking a few decent players. It won't be permanent and it will probably end up disastrous for them if the don't get into Europe each and every season. The arabs could bail out and move onto another 'investment' and leave the Mags with huge wage bills but not the huge income to go with it due to lack of success and boom, well fucked over and left to rot as who would touch them then?

p.s. A European Super League will happen before the Mags get established anyway

Lot of good points in there.

It's certainly one possibility, but it's also possible that after years of steady growth on and off the pitch Leicester are established as a genuine top tier team. It's possible that their recruitment team find a striker that gets them fewer goals but contributes to a consistently good league finish.

Your post is kind of worst case scenario for Newcastle.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Nuke, just out of interest when you talk footy with your mates do you argue a lot or are your group kind of the same feelings as you?
I ask because as you’re well aware you’re feelings go against the grain lots and aren’t those of many people I know (not saying they’re wrong by the way although personally I disagree with a lot of it).

I’m just imagining you having some heated debates with other fans!

I'd say it's a mixed bunch to be honest.
Some see my side and others don't, with some seeing a bit of each.
I actually see certain issues but I'm generally debating those who seem to hold Rafa in some kind of messiah standing and Bruce in a sort of immediate dislike before he even took over us....mainly on the internet, to be honest.
In Hartlepool there's a lot of Newcastle fans and a fair few Sunderland fans, among the glitter boys who support everything from Man Utd to Man city....etc and obviously Hartlepool.


Like me the Newcastle fans have an allegiance to Newcastle United and not the city or the people...meaning, like me, some do not hold the hate that goes on with rivalry of the two main north east clubs (Newcastle and Sunderland).

Basically speaking my mindset is on Newcastle United, not on whether our owner is a cockney or whether our manager has managed Sunderland....or buying into a geordie narrative of Benitez as some kind of messiah for absolutely no reason.

I talk with emotion about my club. Yes...my club....Newcastle United.
A geordie from Newcastle or an ex pat may go into a more emotional follow on with their own and stick to that narrative, which generally leaves me an outcast among those, which is fair enough because I have no allegiance to those people, if you get me.


I try to speak as honestly as I can but I will admit I do let my heart rule my head on many things Newcastle related. I try to see the positives, mostly, if I can...and try to cast aside the negatives.

On Newcastle forums I am obviously attacked and I accept it but too many start to cry when I won;t back down. That's the truth.
Among friends, it's a better balance, because we can all think without using emotion as a battering ram. Something that a lot of Newcastle fans who live in Newcastle itself cannot seem to do without it spilling into bitter hatred.

 

[The Fish]

You could argue the same as Rafa. His football was absolutely turgid until the last third of his final season.

It was chiefly negative, I've never argued that it wasn't, all I've said it that the shit under Bruce was both negative and poorly executed.

Bruce loosens shackles after survival seems assured = Shite, get oot wor clerb.

Fatty loosens shackles after survival seems assured = We love you Wafa.

What a terrifically bizarre interpretation of what I've said. Kudos.

 

[Sabre Mag]

I'd say it's a mixed bunch to be honest.
Some see my side and others don't, with some seeing a bit of each.
I actually see certain issues but I'm generally debating those who seem to hold Rafa in some kind of messiah standing and Bruce in a sort of immediate dislike before he even took over us....mainly on the internet, to be honest.
In Hartlepool there's a lot of Newcastle fans and a fair few Sunderland fans, among the glitter boys who support everything from Man Utd to Man city....etc and obviously Hartlepool.


Like me the Newcastle fans have an allegiance to Newcastle United and not the city or the people...meaning, like me, some do not hold the hate that goes on with rivalry of the two main north east clubs (Newcastle and Sunderland).

Basically speaking my mindset is on Newcastle United, not on whether our owner is a cockney or whether our manager has managed Sunderland....or buying into a geordie narrative of Benitez as some kind of messiah for absolutely no reason.

I talk with emotion about my club. Yes...my club....Newcastle United.
A geordie from Newcastle or an ex pat may go into a more emotional follow on with their own and stick to that narrative, which generally leaves me an outcast among those, which is fair enough because I have no allegiance to those people, if you get me.


I try to speak as honestly as I can but I will admit I do let my heart rule my head on many things Newcastle related. I try to see the positives, mostly, if I can...and try to cast aside the negatives.

On Newcastle forums I am obviously attacked and I accept it but too many start to cry when I won;t back down. That's the truth.
Among friends, it's a better balance, because we can all think without using emotion as a battering ram. Something that a lot of Newcastle fans who live in Newcastle itself cannot seem to do without it spilling into bitter hatred.

Fair enough mate, like I say I would probs be disagreeing with you on most things but football is all about opinions.

I’m down in Hartlepool these days and mainly see chelsea, man Utd and Liverpool shirts to be fair sadly.

 

[rentaghost]

It was chiefly negative, I've never argued that it wasn't, all I've said it that the shit under Bruce was both negative and poorly executed.

Bruce came in 3 weeks before the season started had his forward line taken off him and was presented with Joelinton the following day. I'm not sure what was reasonable to expect early on. What we do know is that the team has improved over time and he has got improvement out of Almiron and excellence out of ASM and got you a decent points haul. If you remember Rafa's early games he went to Aston Villa, played for a draw at a team that were utterly hapless, lost at Norwich conceding 3 and got you relegated.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I thought we looked much better last year than this year.
Both seasons we play very negative football but last year the defence looked far more organised and well drilled, the work rate and press was better and we looked far more dangerous on the break. After Almiron came I thought we looked a decent side and I quite enjoyed watching us. That's obviously very subjective though, one mans meat is another mans poison as they say.

Rafa's football hasn't all been bad. I said earlier that he took a gamble when it was all going teets up and he managed to get a tune out of the latter handful of games, because , in my opinion he was forced to actually bite the bullet and have a go.

Not wanting to get involved in the Bruce/ Benitz debate so I'm not claiming anything in regard to the managers just saying I think the team looked better last season than it does this.

Foir a few games I'd agree but overall I think Bruce outweighs him...and not just on the scales.

you are right about it being subjective but your views seem quite far apart from the rest of us.
It's a bit like you saying you watched the city match and thought we where the better side and deserved to beat them 5-0 instead.......... that would have us all scratching our heads thinking was he watching what we watched.

I'm far apart because I see things in a different way, obviously. But...in terms of Man city...I've already slated Bruce and again I saw what you all saw this time. I don;t just disagree for the hell of it. I simply see a different picture with certain stuff.

You're obviously entitled to that view but just like what you're saying about this season and last the rest of us are scratching our heads thinking is he watching what we have been watching.

I scratch my head at others. It's swings and roundabouts.
The only difference here is people follow trends and narratives rather than argue alternates. I simply say what I think, even if it stands me in a minority..

Fair enough mate, like I say I would probs be disagreeing with you on most things but football is all about opinions.

I’m down in Hartlepool these days and mainly see chelsea, man Utd and Liverpool shirts to be fair sadly.

Aye, it's all about dilutee fans these days. Follow a trend. Follow the mass footballing opinions on who to follow.
There's still plenty of Newcastle fans but nobody's wanting to flaunt the tops, generally.

If those Arabs take over, you know what'll happen...and the woodlice will all claim they never waivered.

50 years a fan and supporter. I'm not a street walking Newcastle shirt wearer these days but my allegiance to the club is forever or until one of us expires.....hopefully, me, because that means the club rolls on.

 

[Deleted member 6694]

Some valid points made but it's far better than to have loved and lost than have not loved at all in my mind.

Aye you're right as just about every fan wants to see success and some want it no matter the cost. However, would it be easier to bounce back if it did all go tits up? It's a huge money league now compared to the 90's (even the late 2000's when Ashley came in a cut the budget) and the price to get there and stay there is huge now. I didn't put much thought into it and my post just grew the more I thought about it and it's certainly something to consider.

Lot of good points in there.

It's certainly one possibility, but it's also possible that after years of steady growth on and off the pitch Leicester are established as a genuine top tier team. It's possible that their recruitment team find a striker that gets them fewer goals but contributes to a consistently good league finish.

Your post is kind of worst case scenario for Newcastle.

I don't think Leicester will be up there permanently to become established. Without looking too much into it, I think they have been helped by scouting some good players but can they do that permanently without having to spend big to get more established players to maintain the level of performance? Schmeichel possibly only has a few seasons left in him also and he'd done well for them. Regardless of what now happens, Leicester fans have the memory of a lifetime and given what they did and what they were up against, it will be a f***ing class memory!

Yes, you're right is it a worst case scenario for the Mags. Sensible fans will know this is the risk of chasing 'success' as it could be a far higher fall these days and do far more damage than it did to Leeds in the 90's. As Sima says, it may well be something worth risking to get the success and memories but the potential short term and long term cost is unknown at the moment.

 

[rentaghost]

Rafa's football hasn't all been bad. I said earlier that he took a gamble when it was all going teets up and he managed to get a tune out of the latter handful of games, because , in my opinion he was forced to actually bite the bullet and have a go.


Foir a few games I'd agree but overall I think Bruce outweighs him...and not just on the scales.


I'm far apart because I see things in a different way, obviously. But...in terms of Man city...I've already slated Bruce and again I saw what you all saw this time. I don;t just disagree for the hell of it. I simply see a different picture with certain stuff.


I scratch my head at others. It's swings and roundabouts.
The only difference here is people follow trends and narratives rather than argue alternates. I simply say what I think, even if it stands me in a minority..

Aye, it's all about dilutee fans these days. Follow a trend. Follow the mass footballing opinions on who to follow.
There's still plenty of Newcastle fans but nobody's wanting to flaunt the tops, generally.

If those Arabs take over, you know what'll happen...and the woodlice will all claim they never waivered.

50 years a fan and supporter. I'm not a street walking Newcastle shirt wearer these days but my allegiance to the club is forever or until one of us expires.....hopefully, me, because that means the club rolls on.

I don't think your view is that different. I live in Gateshead. Most of my friends are massive Newcastle fans. Some of them are stereotypical Rafa and others share your views. Its simple really, there is nowt between their performances as manager of Newcastle in the top flight but Rafa is a name that some fans feel is deserving of their club so they build a case to support him rather than judge objectively.

 

[Sima]

Aye you're right as just about every fan wants to see success and some want it no matter the cost. However, would it be easier to bounce back if it did all go tits up? It's a huge money league now compared to the 90's (even the late 2000's when Ashley came in a cut the budget) and the price to get there and stay there is huge now. I didn't put much thought into it and my post just grew the more I thought about it and it's certainly something to consider.

Is this question around a hypothetical if Ashley had not come in for us? If so, I think if Ashley had not appeared and we started spiralling as is mooted, another party would have came in for us before we reached Leeds' scale at the position we were currently in. If Shepherd had remained charge as long as Ridsdale did to see their descent? Hard to say but the Newcastle fan in me says that someone would have stepped in before it went completely to shite.

Now? If Ashley is as willing a seller (this time) is as mooted it won't be long before there are other interested parties should this particular one fail.

I certainly don't think we'd circle the drain as much as we have seen at your place.

 

[kingkeane]

Yep, Hall bought success but spent big to do it and he bailed ship shortly after the Shearer era had finished. It then looked like the Mags were going to be in the shit by the time Ashley took over (I'm sure this has been posted on here). Yet you see tweets like this who don't see the bigger picture of the potential mess the Mags were in and focus too much on the past (without looking at the spending to get there), yet Ashley steadied the financial boat within a few years.

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I'd rather Ashley had spent big and failed and it fucked the Mags up, just like we and other clubs have done. Even if the arabs come in and they spend big it may not guarantee long term success, possibly only short term. It could well be they spend 100's of millions, though this spending is going to be more restricted than how Man City did it unless they 'cheat' but they run the risk of being caught. The Mags could be all fart but no shite and actually win nowt and therefore don't get the global brand exposure/recognition and don't get the future income off the back of this. The arabs fuck off and leave NUFC in so much shit that nobody will want them.

Football now is a rich boys play thing and to break into the top 6 and stay there will take some doing. Spurs are the 6th big club to get up there but that's probably due to European places. Look at the money Spurs are now generating from the stadium alone. The same for Arsenal and eventually Chelsea when the sort out Stmaford Bridge. Man Utd gate receipts are huge also and Liverpool and Man City won't be too bad.

Those incomes dwarf the Mags matchday income and there's no way the Mags would charge over £1,000 for a season ticket like Spurs. This is 'bonus' money though some of the matchday fans will think it's all about them filling SJP and financially supporting the club at that level. Sadly it's all about the global fans who will watch on TV, buy the merchandise etc which is the main income of the clubs in the 5 European Leagues (Page 9).

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Some may point out Leicester 'breaking' into the big 6 but that's been discussed to death in many ways so I'll ignore explaining old shite. They're doing areet this season but one thing to consider is taking Vardy out of that team. They could well struggle unless they replace him with another pacey 20+ a season scorer. Big clubs have the money to do this as they can spend big on flops but absorb the lossses. The big clubs are a bit hit and miss this season but no doubt they'll be spending big on transfers/wages this next transfer window to try and sort it out. Leicester on the other hand can't do that to replace Vardy when he eventually does run out of steam.

That's why I don't care if the Mags get taken over as I honestly can't see them breaking into the top like they did in the 90's due to the huge money involved. The gap is too big now and to stay there would take a few years of constant success and getting into Europe to guarantee money from outside matchday income.

Given the other big clubs clout to attract and pay top players (bearing in mind there wasn't 6 big teams back in the 90's) then OK, the Mags may well get a season in the spotlight by nicking a few decent players. It won't be permanent and it will probably end up disastrous for them if the don't get into Europe each and every season. The arabs could bail out and move onto another 'investment' and leave the Mags with huge wage bills but not the huge income to go with it due to lack of success and boom, well fucked over and left to rot as who would touch them then?

p.s. A European Super League will happen before the Mags get established anyway

As much as I detest the man. The signing of shearer was the biggest thing to happen to that club. Much in the way Vardy carries Leicester the mags wouldn’t have been near the top 6 without him. Fortunately for them he was one of the best strikers in the league that happened to be a boyhood mag. Turning down Man U at the time was a massive call. You wouldn’t have been able to get into his mansion for silverware. He chose the mags and when you have the ability he had and the commitment from choosing your boyhood club he was always going to give 100%. Contrast that with signing Michael Owen who was a top player but had no commitment or interest in signing for them despite getting paid a fortune. These new owners may well splash the cash but could end up with top players coming to the end of their career looking for a pay day with no commitment or loyalty.

 

[Sima]

As much as I detest the man. The signing of shearer was the biggest thing to happen to that club. Much in the way Vardy carries Leicester the mags wouldn’t have been near the top 6 without him. Fortunately for them he was one of the best strikers in the league that happened to be a boyhood mag. Turning down Man U at the time was a massive call. You wouldn’t have been able to get into his mansion for silverware. He chose the mags and when you have the ability he had and the commitment from choosing your boyhood club he was always going to give 100%. Contrast that with signing Michael Owen who was a top player but had no commitment or interest in signing for them despite getting paid a fortune. These new owners may well splash the cash but could end up with top players coming to the end of their career looking for a pay day with no commitment or loyalty.

We finished 3rd, 6th and 2nd without him tbf.