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Black Lives Matter

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Quinnymelad said:
I look at it this way.
BLM are only bothered about disruption in civilised countries. Otherwise they would be protesting ( rioting and looting) over the situation on the African continent, where corrupt ( black) governments are allowing millions of innocent ( black) children to die of starvation and disease . That is a fact, like it or lump it, its what is real. But, as they are thousands of miles away from that continent, they are happy to have free education and welfare systems and ignore it, then destroy the place which should be home to them.Arseholes.
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Nail on head.
 

blf said:
"All our arguments as white people are done from a position of privilege". I heard that statement today and thought it was bollocks. It was from a woman on the radio who then explained that people of privilege are worried that the BLM campaign and protests from BAME are aimed at taking something from them . its not its trying to get the same things we take for granted.
I thought that "all lives matter" or "so do white lives"were the perfect reply but its not. The more I looked into it I realised that White lives always matter and no one is saying that they don't or doing things that would give you that impression but a whole race of people need to know that BLM and we stand by them.
This lady also asked that if people don't believe there is racism in this country ask yourself how many jobs you have gone for where you have been worried you might not get it because you are white.

This campaign / movement has changed how I think and feel about racism.
I would never have stood for being called a racist because Im not a racist but its not enough, we have to be anti racists.
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Nobody has to be anything, really.
 
Baz said:
The whole slogan is completely f***ing wrong. Notice the uproar at White Lives Matter, well guess what, Black Lives Matter is wrong and f***ing ignorant too.

In a roundabout way it suggest white lives don't matter, which is completely wrong too.

I'm all for what BLM, is supposed to stand for, but the choice of slogan and the looting and thuggery that's come along with it has made sure thid campaign will cause more harm that good.

All that will come from all this is more racial division and confrontation and that is a fact.
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You’re wrong marra, I read it on here.
‘You must be a thick racist’ label incoming.

Apparently the black lives matter slogan is unambiguous, and is clearly helping the cause for racial equality.
 
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Lionel Hutzz said:
Well I would say some good points have been made which I had maybe overlooked given the fact I am not BAME and not from a disadvantaged background. Despite what many on here think I like to debate and sometimes change my outlook based on others views. The whole holocaust thing regularly gets brought up but due to that I did much more research and now I am ashamed of the view I once had.
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It was you who said that about the Holocaust? You denied it a couple of weeks ago
 
Baz said:
The whole slogan is completely f***ing wrong. Notice the uproar at White Lives Matter, well guess what, Black Lives Matter is wrong and f***ing ignorant too.

In a roundabout way it suggest white lives don't matter, which is completely wrong too.

I'm all for what BLM, is supposed to stand for, but the choice of slogan and the looting and thuggery that's come along with it has made sure thid campaign will cause more harm that good.

All that will come from all this is more racial division and confrontation and that is a fact.
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Spot on
 
Baz said:
The whole slogan is completely f***ing wrong. Notice the uproar at White Lives Matter, well guess what, Black Lives Matter is wrong and f***ing ignorant too.

In a roundabout way it suggest white lives don't matter, which is completely wrong too.

I'm all for what BLM, is supposed to stand for, but the choice of slogan and the looting and thuggery that's come along with it has made sure thid campaign will cause more harm that good.

All that will come from all this is more racial division and confrontation and that is a fact.
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I dont see the harm in it.

It picked up pace as something quick and meaningful to say to the police when they felt persecuted because of the colour of their skin.

Its changed into something quite different but at no point has it meant other lives do not matter. Its incredibly difficult to summarise a movement within a 3 word slogan, especially when that movement changes direction.
 
If I was walking down a street and a lass made a point of walking to the other side I'd assume there was something about me that made her frightened; maybe she'd had a bad experience previously. Think I'd need some kind of talking therapy if I thought it was evidence of my oppression.
 
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The whole thing with the White lives matter slogan is that what they really mean just scared to say it is ‘white lives matter more’

if somebody says I’ve cancer of the colon, nobody turns around and says yes ‘but all cancers matter’
Following the Manchester bombing when the world stood in solidarity, nobody turned around and said yeah but all cities matter.

These racist cu*nts don’t even have the arse to say what they really think the cowardly wankers.
 
Baz said:
The whole slogan is completely f***ing wrong. Notice the uproar at White Lives Matter, well guess what, Black Lives Matter is wrong and f***ing ignorant too.
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The uproar about WLM is because it’s used in direct retaliation against BLM by white supremecists (in the US) and the Tommy Robinson types (here). BLM is “Black Lives Matter TOO”, in the context that it’s being used currently it is “White Lives Matter MORE”.
mad cyril said:
The whole thing with the White lives matter slogan is that what they really mean just scared to say it is ‘white lives matter more’
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Beaten by seconds.
 
Mickdundee said:
The uproar about WLM is because it’s used in direct retaliation against BLM by white supremecists (in the US) and the Tommy Robinson types (here). BLM is “Black Lives Matter TOO”, in the context that it’s being used currently it is “White Lives Matter MORE”.

Beaten by seconds.
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Don't get me wrong I think the plane was stupid and organised by knackers, but you can't have 2 identical messages, and claim 1 is literal racism and yet the other is literally anti racism.

The message itself was not racist. That's just common sense, however it was f***ing stupid, not needed and aimed to agitate.

The perfect response to these WLM people would be "I agree, I'll fight your corner if you fight mine" what an opportunity! but the media and the world fell for the trap from the knuckle draggers and here we are. Whole thing is just dumb.
 
Roker Mackem said:
Anyone see Robbie Earles comments? Got to say I was oblivious that this kind of things go on. People pointing and laughing at him, crossing the street. Closely watched by security etc. Madness.
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The wife of someone I know is of Trinidadian descent and she has been sharing these types of experiences recently. She’s from a quite wealthy family (father was an engineer in the oil industry) and is a qualified solicitor so there’s no reason for her experiences other than her heritage.
dangermows said:
And Gilly compared it to a white man walking through a remote village in Africa.
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I’m aware it’s not in Africa, but I was in a very rural village in India 18 months ago and was not made to feel out of place at all. The people were very welcoming and very inclusive. It might have had something to do with the fact we were there with the people who have been giving them free diabetes tests, checkups and medication for the last 5 years but I still felt much safer there than I have in parts of the U.K.
Shibby Safc said:
Don't get me wrong I think the plane was stupid and organised by knackers, but you can't have 2 identical messages, and claim 1 is literal racism and yet the other is literally anti racism.

The message itself was not racist. That's just common sense, however it was f***ing stupid, not needed and aimed to agitate.

The perfect response to these WLM people would be "I agree, I'll fight your corner if you fight mine" what an opportunity! but the media and the world fell for the trap from the knuckle draggers and here we are. Whole thing is just dumb.
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But the point is the use of the WLM message rather than the message itself. It’s a clear retaliation to BLM, it’s not highlighting other than their disdain for Black people wanting to not be discriminated against.

On its own it’s not necessarily racist, but it’s stupid. What does it mean? How many people in the U.K. have been discriminated against just because they are white? The argument from Tommy’s lot seems to be that “they are getting more rights than us”, which is the same argument as the knuckle draggers who ask where the Straight Pride marches are.
 
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Mickdundee said:
The wife of someone I know is of Trinidadian descent and she has been sharing these types of experiences recently. She’s from a quite wealthy family (father was an engineer in the oil industry) and is a qualified solicitor so there’s no reason for her experiences other than her heritage.

I’m aware it’s not in Africa, but I was in a very rural village in India 18 months ago and was not made to feel out of place at all. The people were very welcoming and very inclusive. It might have had something to do with the fact we were there with the people who have been giving them free diabetes tests, checkups and medication for the last 5 years but I still felt much safer there than I have in parts of the U.K.

But the point is the use of the WLM message rather than the message itself. It’s a clear retaliation to BLM, it’s not highlighting other than their disdain for Black people wanting to not be discriminated against.

On its own it’s not necessarily racist, but it’s stupid. What does it mean? How many people in the U.K. have been discriminated against just because they are white? The argument from Tommy’s lot seems to be that “they are getting more rights than us”, which is the same argument as the knuckle draggers who ask where the Straight Pride marches are.
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"White lives matter" on it's own isnt racist but it is stupid. Why does that need any explaining? It's the same reason the police found no criminal offence had taken place. The statement is not racist. However, as you point out, it is f***ing dumb because on large white people are not discriminated against and attention at the moment is needed elsewhere.

I agree largely with you, I just dont think the statement itself is racist. It can't be. However it is ignorant and void of common sense.


*** re read your post and I may have misunderstood the part I was replying to. Either way I agree largely with you for sure.
 
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sketchy said:
It was you who said that about the Holocaust? You denied it a couple of weeks ago
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No I didn’t I stated as I always had that I made a naive comment on the numbers based on a biased documentary. I’ve never denied saying that and have said I’m sorry and now changed my mind
 
arthursboy said:
White lives has always mattered, the truth sadly was or is black lives didn’t matter.
Sadly as a slogan it’s created a division when in truth we all need to be together on this one.
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I think you could have the perfect slogan and someone would argue it as it's in their nature.

But i agree there seems to be a division, instead of just labelling everyone a racist, try and work together, find common ground. MLK made great strides doing this, and it can be done further.

However label away if they are genuine racists.
 
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