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Black Lives Matter

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Grumpy Old Man said:
The RFU are talking about dissuading the fans from doing it. I've never really understood why an old plantation spiritual was sung anyway, other than it was frequently sung in bars long after matches with what rugby players consider "appropriate" charade type movements, including a wanking motion for the word "coming". That seems as good a reason as any for dropping it in the first place. If I remember rightly, it first started being sung when Martin Offiah was at his peak. That's pretty questionable really.
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Their official statement was simply “The RFU has stated we need to do more to achieve diversity and we are determined to accelerate change and grow awareness. The Swing Low, Sweet Chariot song has long been part of the culture of rugby and is sung by many who have no awareness of its origins or sensitivities. We are reviewing its historical context and our role in educating fans to make informed decisions.”

That's a long way from banning it, but (as with Churchill's statue) it's then been manipulated by Johnson to pretend that white culture is under attack or that Black Lives Matter is 'political correctness gone mad'. Judging by many of the comments on this thread, it has worked.
 

nandos sonic sauce said:
I agree it's touchy as everyone has gone super offended by everything. I honestly don't for the life of me understand how agreeing to fly a banner saying white lives matter can offend anyone. That's my opinion . I don't mean it in a racist way.
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Bang on marra. So, people saying white lives don't matter??????:confused:
 
Travis said:
Really? That is your reply? Did I say these black people were all killed by white men? No. And now you are going to go on about black on black killing? What about white on white killing? That is never mentioned because it doesn't fit an agenda. You will find that figure much, much higher. Its the disproportionate nature of black men being killed by police that started this, that is my main point. That is why hundreds of thousands have been protesting. Are they all making this shit up? Of course some people have used the situation to push a different agenda but the whole movement is working. There are changes being made, is that not a good thing?

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Lanchester said:
Who is saying that?

Are the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children saying that cruelty to adults is ok?
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No but would a Prevention of the cruelty to adults plane banner offend anyone? That's the point i don't get. Everyone totally trying to distance themselves from it as if it read something terrible . It's the outrage to it i don't get
 
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have confirmed they are investigating the incident to assess whether any criminal offences have been made.

Chief Supt Russ Procter said: “We are making enquiries to establish the full circumstances surrounding this incident and we will then be in a position to make an assessment as to whether any criminal offences have taken place.

“We recognise that this banner will have caused offence to many people in Lancashire and beyond and we continue to liaise closely with our partners at both the club and in the local authority.” '

We have BLM everywhere we look at the moment, people kneeling, protests in the cities, statues going over etc but the police 'recognise that this (WLM) banner will have caused offence to many people' and are assessing if a criminal offence has taken place. Criminal offence?
 
McGregor said:
I'm all for equality. I find it embarrassing that there isn't complete equality when it comes to race at this day n age. But I find the coverage and attention it's been given is absolutely staggering. The question that runs in my mind is, who's to say the copper wouldn't of knelt on a white lads neck? Unless I've missed something glaringly obvious and the coppers come out and admitted he did it because he was black, then I apologise.

I will say I find it baffling how little coverage a terrorist attack in England has in comparison to something that happened in America.
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I agree, it should get more coverage. But then it doesn't fit within the ISIS trained killer narrative that we've seen in a lot of similar incidents. This was a mentally ill bloke at the bottom of society. This story should be about questioning why many systems in this country failed to help or stop this bloke. It appears we aren't ready to have those conversations yet though.
 
Bob Fleming said:
f***ing hell you're thick.

I saw the comments on Micky Horsewill's post on Facebook and there are some spanners following him. But they're as bad on here too.
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And, as per, the first personal insult comes from 'the left'.
two left feet said:
Only through actions, like kneeling on a chaps neck till he dies.
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It's disgusting. Have you actually heard them laughing as he dies on the ground? And after? Well the only good thing to come out of this 'MURDER' was the world-changing riots after it happened (Sarc)...

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Lanchester said:
No it doesn't.

Nor does 'Age Concern' imply that young people don't matter, nor did 'Clap for Carers' imply that non-carers don't matter, nor does Remembrance Sunday mean that you forget other people who have died outside of military service, nor does Father's Day mean you forget your mother, nor does International Women's Day mean that men don't have rights.

Black Lives Matter. That's all the movement is saying. It can be taken on its own merits, and I can only hazard a guess why some people want to put a 'but...' on the end of it.
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I would say that the origins of the saying, it's violent propagation in the US and it's absorption by an overtly far left political group put the saying in a different category to those you have mentioned.

This is a shame indeed as the sentiment is unarguably worthy, but the incomplete, ( IMO) nature of the sentence opens it up to easy challenge.

The preposition I think is missing by the way is " too".
 
rubberface said:
Loads of people condemming the banner, you living under a rock last 12 hrs?
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What you said was

"So, people saying white lives don't matter??????"

Is anybody saying that? Of course they're not.

That's how it works. People take something that has actually happened - a mixed but generally negative reaction to a banner that said 'white lives matter' over a football match where the players were supporting black lives matter, and tell themselves that "people" are "saying white lives don't matter".
 
Lexingtongue said:
Whether what he did was right or wrong, he is going to face a backlash now. In his position, I'd have tried my damnedest to avoid getting involved in this. His business is niche to being with and now some of his potential customers are going to think twice about using him.
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I think people living in fear of social media backlash would only move us backwards.
 
scott934 said:
If a banner was flown saying "cruelty to adults is not ok", would that be offensive?
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If it was flown over a football match where the teams were highlighting child cruelty, it would be stupid, smallminded, disrespectful, and delibertely provocative.
 
Lexingtongue said:
Whether what he did was right or wrong, he is going to face a backlash now. In his position, I'd have tried my damnedest to avoid getting involved in this. His business is niche to being with and now some of his potential customers are going to think twice about using him.
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Sorry to Trump myself here, but it seems he's also inadvertently fucked his competitors over as well:

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