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Black Lives Matter

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FulwellViaLeeds said:
They aren't a political party. They don't have a manifesto or a clear leadership group. A lot of people quote this GoFundMe page, but it's a GoFundMe set up by persons unknown. As far as I know, there's lots of different localised groups that are ran pretty independently.

And besides, even if that was the case, it's not the purpose of the march. You can disagree on ideas, but support the general movement. See Brexit marches. See people voting for the Tories at the last general. Does everyone who attended a Brexit march support Dominic Cummings's Eugenics bollocks or some of the more nonsensical ideas Farage came up with?

You can make an argument about who causes division, both 'sides' are responsible. Who aren't responsible are the normal black people asking for equality. People need to open their eyes at the same time though. The Reading stabbing has highlighted how our failing prison system and shite social care and asylum seeker support are failing us and costing lives. These have been issues for years and it's a scandal that they haven't been addressed. Yet, the outrage is focused towards footballers kneeling.
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Travis said:
Good knowledge. Not saying this didn’t happen but we are taking about how BLM came about and why it’s still an issue today. I can’t say I know any of my relatives were taken to Algeria by Muslim slave traders. The reason George Floyd was killed was because he was black. A white man who had just allegedly used a fake $20 bill wouldn’t have even been arrested let alone had his neck knelt on for almost 9 minutes
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There's no evidence to say his death was motivated by his colour. It's obvious they had previous history.

I agree with BLM but think Floyd is a poor choice to base a campaign around.
 
dangermows said:
Why do white lives suddenly matter? (one for the definitely not racist)



Back to the well known poverty = crime. Hopefully blacks start getting same breaks and the poverty balance will correct. iirc for that to happen blacks just need to get those chips off their shoulders.
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This largely comes about because we have a growing number of completely disenfranchised working class people who are in low wage jobs, or have no job at all who believe they are either completely ignored in 21st century Britain, not taken seriously and have the increasing sense they’re superfluous and do not matter. They also happen to be white.

When they see people in the media or on TV talking about things like “white privilege,” it is completely anathema to them. Because while every global corporation and media outlet is bending over backwards to show how diverse they are, and show how utterly opposed to any discrimination towards various movements citing oppression (and to be clear I’m not saying they aren’t), there’s a growing underbelly of people who think that while this is occurring they are completely insignificant and that any of their grumblings will see them automatically castigated as racist and not taken seriously. Which of course only lends to the deep underlying sense of dissatisfaction.

I watched Michah Richards earlier talk about how he doesn’t understand why people would want to display a banner saying “White Lives Matter” and the irony is, that of course he can’t, because he is a privileged multimillionaire former footballer who has been given a platform on Sky. The irony is that none of the people who had a whip-round for that banner, which regardless was still completely misguided, and that’s to say the least, will ever have anywhere near the wealth or privilege of a Micah Richards. Nonetheless, he gets to use his platform on Sky Sports to subsequently talk about how he can’t understand why people would do such a thing thus helping to form a consensus that anyone who would suggest such a thing is essentially just a stupid racist blind to the suffering of black people. And perhaps, the problem here becomes a little bit clearer. The perception becomes one of black and ethnic people with lucrative positions in various forms of media - far more lucrative than the average wage of many of their viewers - telling a large subsection of the increasingly surplus population that they (the ones in the media in lucrative positions) are, or are at least representative of the marginalised and oppressed. Which of course isn’t accurate in itself, because people like Micah Richards are no more representative of the life of a BAME youth in say, Moss Side than they are an unemployed white kid in Burnley.

So the overall perception of “multi-cultural Britain” from the kind of people who‘d support a “White Lives Matter” banner isn’t correct. That perception though isn’t corrected by just castigating a growing subsection of British society who are increasingly disenfranchised with a misplaced sense of anger, fear and distrust as “disgraceful” or “racist.” Not that there’s any quick and easy solution to it either. What a mess.
 
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FulwellViaLeeds said:
They aren't a political party. They don't have a manifesto or a clear leadership group. A lot of people quote this GoFundMe page, but it's a GoFundMe set up by persons unknown. As far as I know, there's lots of different localised groups that are ran pretty independently.

And besides, even if that was the case, it's not the purpose of the march. You can disagree on ideas, but support the general movement. See Brexit marches. See people voting for the Tories at the last general. Does everyone who attended a Brexit march support Dominic Cummings's Eugenics bollocks or some of the more nonsensical ideas Farage came up with?

You can make an argument about who causes division, both 'sides' are responsible. Who aren't responsible are the normal black people asking for equality. People need to open their eyes at the same time though. The Reading stabbing has highlighted how our failing prison system and shite social care and asylum seeker support are failing us and costing lives. These have been issues for years and it's a scandal that they haven't been addressed. Yet, the outrage is focused towards footballers kneeling.
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BLM in the US do have a manisfesto of sorts:
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They also have other 'organisers' who have there own versions, which i agree is a localised issue and in some cases fairly radical. not sure about the UK crew.

which is why I don't support "BLM" as an 'organisation', that doesn't mean i don't support change in social justice, particularly in the US.

Your last paragraph is essentially what 'defund the police' is supposed to be about, using funds currently directed to police to provide better services to the community instead of dumping it all on the cops to solve.
 
SAFCOldie said:
Well it's up to you, proper people know what is going on, we don't want division and I'm hopeful good will out.


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Yeah if anyone is struggling to work out what is going on, what a video of tommy Robinson, should really help you

Someone mentioned before, people who have had an issue with BLM fromnthe start, have predjudies from the start and probably still say "paki shop's" and think it is fine
 
He really is thick as mince, Ashley Westwood, Aaron Lennon.
Employed by Sky over the years to be an 'expert pundit'.
Needs to crawl back under the rock, rightfully being hammered.

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Travis said:
Good knowledge. Not saying this didn’t happen but we are taking about how BLM came about and why it’s still an issue today. I can’t say I know any of my relatives were taken to Algeria by Muslim slave traders. The reason George Floyd was killed was because he was black. A white man who had just allegedly used a fake $20 bill wouldn’t have even been arrested let alone had his neck knelt on for almost 9 minutes
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You’ve completely just made that up though!
 
MackneyHackem said:
retard
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Typical response of the militant/racist Left.You wonder why politically you’s are banished to the waste land with no credibility.

A Pakistani business woman I know has bleated on about “reverse racism “From 1st/2nd generation immigrants to this country for the last 15-20 year to me and I thought she was being dramatic.This Last month or so I kind of see what she was going on about.
 
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two left feet said:
Really, that’s your argument.
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Nobody’s heard then other side of the story yet and your accusing someone of been a racist. It may just of been a tragic accident Floyd may of been arrested 50 times by the same bloke and was a massive danger could of went to grab their guns in the past or anything! nobody knows the surrounding circumstances
 
monolithic baby said:
No but I see a bunch of posters on this forum consistently trying to stem the empathy towards BLM and I assume they are racists.
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BLM have done that themselves really. Their cause is a good one that the majority agree with. But the looting, rioting, destruction, vandalism and, the abhorrent 'acab' slogan have turned some against them.
 
Gillythedilf said:
The attacking of white police,statues etc and the words of certain sections of blacks in the likes of Anthony Joshua and Labour MPs didn’t do the cause any favours.Infact it’s heightened racial tensions between whites and blacks that was never there before.Its been anti White and Anti UK at times.
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Has it fuck man you daft shite
 
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It not about racism Imo, Thats a side show!! its about left wing extremism and the whiter than white So called socialists trying to cause an unruly Society and undermine the government.. the same people would no doubt have been at Brexit, gay rights and feminist rally's/protests. Anything to try and destabilize the country. What happened to George Floyd was heinous but these movements backed by George Soro are opportunist!!
 
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ontap said:
Serious question, am watching sky news now and everybody going on about "Black lives matter", so why are they referring to that "white lives matter" banner as offensive?.

Am afraid your wrong, it certainly has.
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I'm afraid you're incorrect, it really hasn't.
 
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